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Frugalicious
United States121 Posts
On June 12 2011 18:59 cheesemaster wrote: but they were playing on the chinese server in korea, so that sounds more plausible. But MC did not have lag issues when Jinro asked him. Though I am curious as to where the CN servers are located. The distance from China to KR can be as close as Los Angeles to Seattle. | ||
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ChickenLips
2912 Posts
On June 12 2011 19:00 Caesarion wrote: Yep, I said that, but that was only the peak APM. Average was around 300 for MC and 200 for XiaoT. They keep throwing up the APM tab on the chinese stream, apparently they seem to make a big deal of it. every single pro above 200 APM spams mid-game, so anyone giving a shit about average APM shows himself to be pretty dumb imho | ||
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Fanta_Rules
Sweden669 Posts
On June 12 2011 19:00 Dommk wrote: You act like it is easy. PvP is the one match up where both sides have the least information on each other. The map is quite literally dark, your only source of information is whatever unit you can sneak and having amazing game sense and knowledge. Making the right decision in PvP is one of the hardest things to do. You list off dot points and act as if any other Protoss could have done better, its hilarious. That's not what I was saying. I only meant that it wasn't MC's decision making that won him the game. | ||
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Juliette
United States6003 Posts
Game 4  MC <Metalopolis> lovecdMC 9 as red, lcd as blue at 12 ...close position! | ||
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Welmu
Finland3295 Posts
On June 12 2011 19:01 ChickenLips wrote: every single pro above 200 APM spams mid-game, so anyone giving a shit about average APM shows himself to be pretty dumb imho How you can state something like that? :/ I don't include checking everything is building something/saturation/unit positioning/scouting into spamming list ._. | ||
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Dommk
Australia4865 Posts
On June 12 2011 19:02 Fanta_Rules wrote: That's not what I was saying. I only meant that it wasn't MC's decision making that won him the game. Then you are being incredibly blunt. There are a lot of things that won MC that game, but saying his decision making didn't make a large part of it is being ignorant. Blink helped him win battles, but it takes a lot more than that to win the game in mid/late game PvP | ||
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TYJ.Aoy
Brazil1265 Posts
On June 12 2011 19:00 Itsmedudeman wrote: ....... you do realize that top level players don't just 1 a and just use a few abilities right? there's a lot of target firing, blinking, and obviously positioning like you said and that IS micro; both these guys are going at 300 apm legitimate apm in those fights there were so many times that game where MC outmicro'd lovecd REALLY hard when he had a worse army I don't doubt that, all I said is that from the point I started watching (when lovecd got his third up) the battles weren't really won because of micro at all and how is it that guys like White-Ra win against the so called god of protoss micro if PVP is all about micro?And please don't lie to yourselves, white-ra doesn't even have enough time to train his micro up to the korean level. | ||
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starcraft911
Korea (South)1263 Posts
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blah_blah
346 Posts
On June 12 2011 18:56 krews wrote: ive seen people type gg at the start of the game instead of gl, should they stop the game right there too? Are you trolling? Some tournaments allow for early-game pleasantries to be exchanged between opponents, and 'gl hf gg' falls under that umbrella. But literally every well-run tournament will consider a player writing 'gg' after the first few moments of the game to be a surrender. | ||
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Benjef
United Kingdom6921 Posts
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Fanta_Rules
Sweden669 Posts
On June 12 2011 19:04 Dommk wrote: Then you are being incredibly blunt. There are a lot of things that won MC that game, but saying his decision making didn't make a large part of it is being ignorant. Blink helped him win battles, but it takes a lot more than that to win the game in mid/late game PvP MC's decision making that game is what gave LoveCD the advantage, and his micro is what saved him. He was down like 30 supply, so how can you claim his decision making is what won him the game? | ||
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bluegarfield
Singapore1128 Posts
 oh wait, its KraToss i'm talking about :p | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On June 12 2011 19:05 TYJ.Aoy wrote: I don't doubt that, all I said is that from the point I started watching (when lovecd got his third up) the battles weren't really won because of micro at all and how is it that guys like White-Ra win against the so called god of protoss micro if PVP is all about micro?And please don't lie to yourselves, white-ra doesn't even have enough time to train his micro up to the korean level. what does this have to do with ANYTHING | ||
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SinCitta
Germany2127 Posts
On June 12 2011 19:01 Frugalicious wrote: But MC did not have lag issues when Jinro asked him. Though I am curious as to where the CN servers are located. The distance from China to KR can be as close as Los Angeles to Seattle. What it was said to be in WC3 times: It's not really about the distance but about political borders. Internet traffic which crosses Chinese borders is slow, internal Chinese Internal traffic is good. Rumors say it's because of the Great Firewall, but maybe the International traffic lines just suck. | ||
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Musou
1375 Posts
On June 12 2011 18:59 cheesemaster wrote: but they were playing on the chinese server in korea, so that sounds more plausible. No they weren't. They were playing on the KR server. The rules for the tournament were to play on same realm if players were in the same area, alternate servers for NA and CN/KR, NA server for EU vs CN/KR, and a spawn position random for games between CN and KR. | ||
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seansye
United States1722 Posts
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ChickenLips
2912 Posts
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Caesarion
Australia8332 Posts
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Juliette
United States6003 Posts
On June 12 2011 19:03 Juliette wrote: g2/3 Game 4 MC <Metalopolis> lovecdMC 9 as red, lcd as blue at 12 ...close position! 5:00 lovecd goes 4 gate MC has 3 gates (2 making), has a sentry making, doesnt know that hes being 4 gated 6:00 MC has 4th gate making instead of a council O-o. hes ahead in econ, MC remakes his coincil 7:00 lcd takes the 6:00 third as his hidden expo as both go blink | ||
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TYJ.Aoy
Brazil1265 Posts
MC has said it himself, the one with better micro wins win PvP Ehhhhhhh, nothing at all, dude. | ||
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? Some guy said MC and XiaoT hit 400APM during one of their fights yesterday, would be nice to see what LoveCD is like. 
