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ChickenLips
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2912 Posts
June 12 2011 10:16 GMT
#2221
im feeling another 3gate defense by MC
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Fanta_Rules
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden669 Posts
June 12 2011 10:17 GMT
#2222
On June 12 2011 19:14 Dommk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2011 19:07 Fanta_Rules wrote:
On June 12 2011 19:04 Dommk wrote:
On June 12 2011 19:02 Fanta_Rules wrote:
On June 12 2011 19:00 Dommk wrote:
On June 12 2011 18:56 Fanta_Rules wrote:
On June 12 2011 18:54 TYJ.Aoy wrote:
On June 12 2011 18:53 Fanta_Rules wrote:
MC's micro is superior, that's why he wins.

That wasn't nearly as much micro as it was decision making.

Yeah, failing a cannon rush, letting him getting up an expansion and get like 30 supply ahead... great decision making.

You act like it is easy. PvP is the one match up where both sides have the least information on each other. The map is quite literally dark, your only source of information is whatever unit you can sneak and having amazing game sense and knowledge. Making the right decision in PvP is one of the hardest things to do.

You list off dot points and act as if any other Protoss could have done better, its hilarious.

That's not what I was saying. I only meant that it wasn't MC's decision making that won him the game.

Then you are being incredibly blunt. There are a lot of things that won MC that game, but saying his decision making didn't make a large part of it is being ignorant. Blink helped him win battles, but it takes a lot more than that to win the game in mid/late game PvP

MC's decision making that game is what gave LoveCD the advantage, and his micro is what saved him. He was down like 30 supply, so how can you claim his decision making is what won him the game?

Because decision making extends much further than just the fights. i.e MC delayed LoveCD's attack when he tried to engage in the mid game, how many Protoss would have pulled that off? That isn't micro, you need a good idea when and where your opponent will engage and what you will need to hold it, MC delayed the attack for around 2mins but it involved much more than just meeting LoveCD's army at either side.

PvP favors the defender in the midgame, supply leads can be somewhat misleading in figuring the winner, especially when your opponent has a Zealot heavy force and you have forcefields.

To be able to come back from a deficit requires much more than micro, you need to make the right decisions along side it. Putting him in the position for his micro to capitalize is a difficult thing to do, choosing when to engage, where to position, what to get, knowing your timings...that is 80% of the fight in PvP as it can end so quickly.

Yeah, you're right. MC's superior micro and his decision making AFTER seeing the expansion is what won him the game.
Benjef
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom6921 Posts
June 12 2011 10:17 GMT
#2223
More close positions oO?
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RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
June 12 2011 10:17 GMT
#2224
On June 12 2011 19:13 Nocteo wrote:
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On June 12 2011 19:13 ChickenLips wrote:
On June 12 2011 19:12 Nocteo wrote:
Now he has truly taken the title of best pvp'er, after beating the top european and chinese protoss'.


when did anyone say that MC wasn't the best PvPer in the world?


Noone has but now he has legit proof.


I believe once, MC even admitted his PvP is second to Inca.

He's a better overall protoss by far of course.
Someone call down the Thunder?
blahz0r
Profile Joined December 2010
3030 Posts
June 12 2011 10:18 GMT
#2225
show them who's the king of all protoss, MC !
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Juliette
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6003 Posts
June 12 2011 10:18 GMT
#2226
On June 12 2011 19:15 Juliette wrote:
game 5:

MC <shattered temple> lcd

MC is blue spawning at 3, lcd red at 6
close positions once more!

5:00
MC takes his second gas fast, then makes 2 more gates
lcd just goes straight 3 gates
MC with a sentry indicates defensive play
OKAY FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE I SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
June 12 2011 10:18 GMT
#2227
On June 12 2011 19:16 TYJ.Aoy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2011 19:13 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On June 12 2011 19:09 TYJ.Aoy wrote:
On June 12 2011 19:07 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On June 12 2011 19:05 TYJ.Aoy wrote:
On June 12 2011 19:00 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On June 12 2011 18:57 TYJ.Aoy wrote:
On June 12 2011 18:55 ChickenLips wrote:
On June 12 2011 18:54 TYJ.Aoy wrote:
On June 12 2011 18:53 Fanta_Rules wrote:
MC's micro is superior, that's why he wins.

That wasn't nearly as much micro as it was decision making.


no it was micro, from the initial defense, to the 4gate defense, to the 2 base defense with the FFs, and the final engagement at the watch tower it was ALL micro.

MC has said it himself, the one with better micro wins win PvP

I didn't watch the entire game but the final battles weren't about micro whatsoever, MC had a better concave, better upgrades and better army organization and that was it, period.

....... you do realize that top level players don't just 1 a and just use a few abilities right? there's a lot of target firing, blinking, and obviously positioning like you said and that IS micro; both these guys are going at 300 apm legitimate apm in those fights

there were so many times that game where MC outmicro'd lovecd REALLY hard when he had a worse army

I don't doubt that, all I said is that from the point I started watching (when lovecd got his third up) the battles weren't really won because of micro at all and how is it that guys like White-Ra win against the so called god of protoss micro if PVP is all about micro?And please don't lie to yourselves, white-ra doesn't even have enough time to train his micro up to the korean level.

what does this have to do with ANYTHING


MC has said it himself, the one with better micro wins win PvP
Ehhhhhhh, nothing at all, dude.

so you're just completely contradicting yourself? ok, do whatever you want then

The bold part was a quote from Chickenlips that you seem to have missed, dude, and apparently you missed it again, ironic how you manage to misread stuff and still have the balls to keep calling people retarded, because that's what you're doing.

you said that micro didn't matter that last battle, then you send me a quote of MC saying that micro determines the outcome of PvP

how are you not retarded exactly
RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
June 12 2011 10:19 GMT
#2228
Come on MC, end this, so I can go to sleep.
Someone call down the Thunder?
Juliette
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6003 Posts
June 12 2011 10:20 GMT
#2229
On June 12 2011 19:18 Juliette wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2011 19:15 Juliette wrote:
game 5:

MC <shattered temple> lcd

MC is blue spawning at 3, lcd red at 6
close positions once more!

5:00
MC takes his second gas fast, then makes 2 more gates
lcd just goes straight 3 gates
MC with a sentry indicates defensive play

both going 3 gate + twilight

lcd baits a forcefield

7:00
lcd gets blink, has a proxy pylon
MC is going DTs uh oh
OKAY FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE I SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
ChickenLips
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2912 Posts
June 12 2011 10:20 GMT
#2230
this looks to be about over

GO MC!
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ChickenLips
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2912 Posts
June 12 2011 10:20 GMT
#2231
WHAT

DID YOU SEE THAT
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blahz0r
Profile Joined December 2010
3030 Posts
June 12 2011 10:20 GMT
#2232
Sick forcefield ... MC being a boss
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Nocteo
Profile Joined December 2010
Belgium799 Posts
June 12 2011 10:20 GMT
#2233
Wow insane forcefields
ragnorr
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark6097 Posts
June 12 2011 10:20 GMT
#2234
Yeah, thats GG unless MC fucks up
InFi.asc
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany518 Posts
June 12 2011 10:20 GMT
#2235
that was AWESOME
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Juliette
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6003 Posts
June 12 2011 10:20 GMT
#2236
On June 12 2011 19:20 Juliette wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2011 19:18 Juliette wrote:
On June 12 2011 19:15 Juliette wrote:
game 5:

MC <shattered temple> lcd

MC is blue spawning at 3, lcd red at 6
close positions once more!

5:00
MC takes his second gas fast, then makes 2 more gates
lcd just goes straight 3 gates
MC with a sentry indicates defensive play

both going 3 gate + twilight

lcd baits a forcefield

7:00
lcd gets blink, has a proxy pylon
MC is going DTs uh oh

HOLY FUCK

8:00
MC breaks out, FFs lcd's stalkers and gets a LOT of free kills
he pushes into LCD's nat
GEE GEEEEEEEEEEE

mc 4-1
OKAY FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE I SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
Mithriel
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands2969 Posts
June 12 2011 10:21 GMT
#2237
rofl lovecd playing so terrible, how did he get to the final lol.

great job by MC though!
There is no shame in defeat so long as the spirit is unconquered. | Cheering for Maru, Innovation and MMA!
cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
June 12 2011 10:21 GMT
#2238
Lol MC wins even without his DT.
HS: cascades#1595 || LoL: stoppin
Caesarion
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia8332 Posts
June 12 2011 10:21 GMT
#2239
GG!!!!!
ChickenLips
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2912 Posts
June 12 2011 10:21 GMT
#2240
ok

now's the waiting for the actions of the bookies :D
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