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Stay on-topic please. Off-topic arguments derailing the thread will not be tolerated.
Next spam post about eagles = ban. We get it, you're funny
Take the eagle stuff here
stop with the bw vs wc3 bullshit please
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
April 04 2011 06:13 GMT
#18421
On April 04 2011 15:09 LwReisen wrote:
1st place: wc3
2nd place: wc3
3rd place: wc3

UH OH! I THOUGHT WC3 PLAYERS WERE MEANT TO FAIL?

Only people like you on internet forums were meant to fail.. it's got nothing to do with their wc3 background and everything to do with the fact that they practice their asses off with SC2
In The Rear With The Gear .. *giggle* /////////// cobra-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!!!!
MrSexington
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1768 Posts
April 04 2011 06:14 GMT
#18422
On April 04 2011 15:11 Dingobloo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2011 15:05 MrSexington wrote:
Congratulations to iNcontroL. It's not 1st place, but 4th is pretty good.

So... now that the event is over and the thread has slowed down, let me re-ask my question (that I asked hundreds of pages ago).

I thought I had the whole bracket system figured out... but I was wrong. Can someone explain how the open players are placed into the championship bracket? With 24 players total and 16 players from the seeded pool, that means 8 players are from the open pool. And from those players, 4 of them are in the 1st round of the loser's bracket. The other 4 are placed at different spots in that bracket, even Naniwa got all the way into the winner's bracket, finishing 1st in his group... which confuses me even more.

Okay, so 4 of the 8 are placed into the groups, making them groups of 5. What is the difference between the 4 that got placed into groups and the 4 that are placed in the loser's bracket, round 1?

Thanks.


The 4 highest in the open winners bracket go into pool play as if they were seeded, 1 in each group, they then play everyone in the group then just get placed like normal, the 4 from the losers open basically go into the losers championship bracket and have to run a gauntlet of the pool players with the pool players moving 1 spot back for every spot down they came in pool play.


Oh, I got it.

So there's a winner's and loser's bracket in the open as well? That makes sense. I couldn't follow it because their coverage was terrible and the thing they had on their site was confusing.
gregnog
Profile Joined December 2010
United States289 Posts
April 04 2011 06:16 GMT
#18423
Some strong groups for next MLG.
Dingobloo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1903 Posts
April 04 2011 06:16 GMT
#18424
On April 04 2011 15:14 MrSexington wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2011 15:11 Dingobloo wrote:
On April 04 2011 15:05 MrSexington wrote:
Congratulations to iNcontroL. It's not 1st place, but 4th is pretty good.

So... now that the event is over and the thread has slowed down, let me re-ask my question (that I asked hundreds of pages ago).

I thought I had the whole bracket system figured out... but I was wrong. Can someone explain how the open players are placed into the championship bracket? With 24 players total and 16 players from the seeded pool, that means 8 players are from the open pool. And from those players, 4 of them are in the 1st round of the loser's bracket. The other 4 are placed at different spots in that bracket, even Naniwa got all the way into the winner's bracket, finishing 1st in his group... which confuses me even more.

Okay, so 4 of the 8 are placed into the groups, making them groups of 5. What is the difference between the 4 that got placed into groups and the 4 that are placed in the loser's bracket, round 1?

Thanks.


The 4 highest in the open winners bracket go into pool play as if they were seeded, 1 in each group, they then play everyone in the group then just get placed like normal, the 4 from the losers open basically go into the losers championship bracket and have to run a gauntlet of the pool players with the pool players moving 1 spot back for every spot down they came in pool play.


Oh, I got it.

So there's a winner's and loser's bracket in the open as well? That makes sense. I couldn't follow it because their coverage was terrible and the thing they had on their site was confusing.


Yeah it's hugely confusing, but both brackets are double elimination.
bennyaus
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia1833 Posts
April 04 2011 06:18 GMT
#18425
The rankings reflect the performance of the people you beat. TLO had a better overall record than iNcontroL, but one of the people iNcontrol beat was TLO. In other words, some wins are weighted more than others, based on those people's performances.

It all works out mathematically, but I know what you mean. When they set it up like this, it's more swingy. The matches into the group play count for so much more than the championship bracket matches. So if that's what people's complaints are about then... I agree.


Well, going outside of the tournament for a second, any rational person can see that TLO's route to 5th is many, many times harder than Incontrol's route to 4th, which is just nonsensical. Having to beat IdrA, Tyler and Drewbie and then having to play an extended series, essentially having to win 4-1 is unfair.

I'm not hating on Geoff, I think he has done enough this tournament to prove that he isn't as bad as many people think, but 4th is extremely flattering given that he didn't have to beat anyone particularly challenging besides TLO.
I play Random - HuK, DRG + Liquid fan
Egyptian_Head
Profile Joined October 2010
South Africa508 Posts
April 04 2011 06:23 GMT
#18426
4th is very good for incontrol, I know he had an easier time of it than most people and the way the format worked he didn't have to play much but none of that changes the fact that he beat out a lot of people that were also in the group stages who had the same opportunity as he did. I will agree the way the seeding work needs to be looked at, its not perfect but im not going to take anything away from anyone because of that.
DiaBoLuS
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany1638 Posts
April 04 2011 06:24 GMT
#18427
Incontrol was the most lucky person, since he started in the "weakest" (if you can mention one) pool play group, for some reason got first by laming TLO a lot - who didnt play to his best either (next time: mapscore first!)

he didnt deserve a 4th place - if he started in open bracket as HuK or Naniwa had to - goodbye man

but still he performed way better than i expected, just people like Socke, Idra, TLO, SjoW, Drewbie or even Moonan and Slush performed better overall.

Anyway - Day 3 was quite nice to watch
European Ranking: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=182293
LwReisen
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia94 Posts
April 04 2011 06:27 GMT
#18428
On April 04 2011 15:13 bkrow wrote:
Only people like you on internet forums were meant to fail.. it's got nothing to do with their wc3 background and everything to do with the fact that they practice their asses off with SC2



Okay kind sir, never stray from Tasmania. Please stay there.
MORDEKAIZER ES #1
MadNeSs
Profile Joined March 2007
Denmark1507 Posts
April 04 2011 06:27 GMT
#18429
So what how much did these guys win? I remember hearing that this MLG would have a 200k usd prizepool... Soooo?
bennyaus
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia1833 Posts
April 04 2011 06:29 GMT
#18430
On April 04 2011 15:27 LwReisen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2011 15:13 bkrow wrote:
Only people like you on internet forums were meant to fail.. it's got nothing to do with their wc3 background and everything to do with the fact that they practice their asses off with SC2



Okay kind sir, never stray from Tasmania. Please stay there.


He is right though. What background you had in SCBW or WC3 is largely irrelevant as almost nobody trained as professionally in either game in the foreign scene as they are in SC2 and SC2 has been out for almost a year. It has some form of relevance in the Korean scene because people trained both games professionally.
I play Random - HuK, DRG + Liquid fan
billyX333
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1360 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-04 06:30:17
April 04 2011 06:29 GMT
#18431
On April 04 2011 15:27 MadNeSs wrote:
So what how much did these guys win? I remember hearing that this MLG would have a 200k usd prizepool... Soooo?

I think thats the championship tournament at the end of the year. The regular tournaments only put out 11k prize pool per sc2 tourney? but is a qualifier for the championship tournament where all the money is
Dingobloo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1903 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-04 06:30:22
April 04 2011 06:30 GMT
#18432
On April 04 2011 15:27 MadNeSs wrote:
So what how much did these guys win? I remember hearing that this MLG would have a 200k usd prizepool... Soooo?


It's a circuit, the large money pool is from the national championship that you need to have a lot of points for, the individual event is only $5,000 for first.
pyro19
Profile Joined August 2010
6575 Posts
April 04 2011 06:30 GMT
#18433
On April 04 2011 13:34 Vundox wrote:
it works for halo, the father of FPS, so it must work for wow+halo rts


Take that back , Right now.
Thy Shall Die Alone...or emm..something like that.
pAzand
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden539 Posts
April 04 2011 06:31 GMT
#18434
Another Swede winning a big tournament.
If you can chill.. Chill!
Finrod1
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany3997 Posts
April 04 2011 06:32 GMT
#18435
On April 04 2011 14:48 odder wrote:
MLG Dallas Top 16

+ Show Spoiler +

1. Dignitas.Naniwa
2. ROOT.Kiwikaki
3. Dignitas.Select
4. EG.Incontrol
5. Liquid.TLO
6. aTn.Socke
7. EG.Idra
8. FXO.Moonan
9. ROOT.Slush
10. Liquid.Huk
11. ROOT.Drewbie
12. Dignitas.Sjow
13. Liquid.Ret
14. Liquid.Haypro
15. EG.Machine
16. Liquid.Tyler



1-8 from http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/news/the-mlg-dallas-starcraft-2-top-8-2

9-16 spots from the liveblog
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]




Added the team tags. Quite impressive by dignitas and tlo/incntrol were saving the weekend for their teams i would say.
don_kyuhote
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
3007 Posts
April 04 2011 06:35 GMT
#18436
Really happy for iNcontroL.
Hell, it's about time.
He's been way too quiet in the sc2 tournament scene.
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
coL.edward
Profile Joined December 2010
United States86 Posts
April 04 2011 06:36 GMT
#18437
i am back from the mlg after party and i am on TL. nerd status. hotbid, rich and nazgul: you guys are awesome, everyone else, great tournament, #BELIEVEINKIWI
compLexity gaming - www.complexitygaming.com
Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
April 04 2011 06:37 GMT
#18438
MLG would be so confusing if it was 9 days...XD

Anyways grats to Naniwa for owning face. And grats to Kiwi for being the only one to take games off him.
Zee94
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia27 Posts
April 04 2011 06:37 GMT
#18439
Is HuK still in it?
Protoss <3
lolsixtynine
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States600 Posts
April 04 2011 06:39 GMT
#18440
Well, it's over, so no.
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