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On April 01 2011 03:09 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2011 03:03 cordlc wrote:On April 01 2011 02:35 Sadist wrote:
How did jinro play bad game 2? I mean what could have done against that with his build? Its not like he can just magically produce vikings out of nowhere. You need to 4 rax when you 1 rax cc. Terran cannot afford to tech AND expand vs protoss without some sort of tank/mech build without leaving themselves open to some 5-6 gate attack/4gate/dt rush/3 gate voidray/etc. If you defend too hard you lose the entire point of having the quick expansion and the protoss just expands and is ahead of you and rolls you.
This is the entire basis of me going mech, it lets you control space and its pretty good. Really fast phoenix builds are kinda sketchy and well timed carriers but thats about it. If you watch game 2, you'd notice there was a point in time where Jinro had about 15 marines and a Marauder, and Anypro had maybe 2 sentries and stalkers. That was his timing window, playing passively allowed Anypro to beeline straight towards Colossus, guaranteed loss from there. I was never a fan of no-gas fast expansion builds against Protoss, ever since Jinro was crushed by MC way back in GSL3, I've felt it has too many weaknesses. It's crushed outright by voidray zealot / 4gate sentry way too often. The proceeding transition into bio dies to the dreaded forcefield push (before stim), while an earlier mech transition leaves you with not enough for early warpgate pressure. My favorite build is something that uses marauders/conc shell, straight into expo and tanks. You take map control momentarily, denying scouting for a while and clearing the map of any hidden probes/pylons. Good example is set 1 of Alicia vs Supernova http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors2/vod/62461 Problem is you dont know what the protoss is doing, he saw 2 gateway robo expand. he could add 4 gates and make an immortal or something and if you try to attack there you get absolutely crushed and game is over. Or if he has 3 gateways you just split half the marines and warp in stalkers and maybe have an immortal and again hes owned. Its so risky to attack early vs P.
You always scan before you walk up the ramp
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it seems that MC is the clear cut best player in SC2 at the moment
doesn't even have a matchup weakness
makes PvZ look broken. supremely confident in PvT and incredibly good at PvP.
All: 50-19 (72.46%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): L W W W L W W W W L | View Games
vT: 26-12 (68.42%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): W W W L L W W W W L | View Games
vZ: 7-4 (63.64%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): L L W W W W W L W W | View Games
vP: 17-3 (85.00%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): W W W W W W W L W W | View Games
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/players/640_Kratoss/main
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On April 01 2011 03:35 udgnim wrote:it seems that MC is the clear cut best player in SC2 at the moment doesn't even have a matchup weakness makes PvZ look broken. supremely confident in PvT and incredibly good at PvP. All: 50-19 (72.46%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): L W W W L W W W W L | View Games vT: 26-12 (68.42%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): W W W L L W W W W L | View Games vZ: 7-4 (63.64%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): L L W W W W W L W W | View Games vP: 17-3 (85.00%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): W W W W W W W L W W | View Games http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/players/640_Kratoss/main
Not quite sure how you can say that when he got 2-0ed twice early in the FXO2, out first round in GSTL, and destroyed by WhiteRa recently. MorroW completely outplayed him, but made the fatal mistake of picking Zerg.
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Dang it, unlucky ? Or the Koreans played for realz this time 
Wanted to see Jinro and Sen advance, gahh
well at least there's Dimaga and TT1 heheh. But San's PvZ is pretty good =O
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On April 01 2011 03:39 FrostShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2011 03:35 udgnim wrote:it seems that MC is the clear cut best player in SC2 at the moment doesn't even have a matchup weakness makes PvZ look broken. supremely confident in PvT and incredibly good at PvP. All: 50-19 (72.46%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): L W W W L W W W W L | View Games vT: 26-12 (68.42%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): W W W L L W W W W L | View Games vZ: 7-4 (63.64%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): L L W W W W W L W W | View Games vP: 17-3 (85.00%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): W W W W W W W L W W | View Games http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/players/640_Kratoss/main Not quite sure how you can say that when he got 2-0ed twice early in the FXO2, out first round in GSTL, and destroyed by WhiteRa recently. MorroW completely outplayed him, but made the fatal mistake of picking Zerg.
then who do you think is the best SC2 player at the moment?
and people really need to stop pulling the "this Zerg outplayed this Terran/Protoss" card while that same Zerg ends up losing to the Terran/Protoss player
also, WhiteRa got lucky that MC went defensive 4 gate instead of super standard aggressive 4 gate.
can't say much about MC's FXOpen results. shit happens? =D
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On April 01 2011 03:34 hugman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2011 03:09 Sadist wrote:On April 01 2011 03:03 cordlc wrote:On April 01 2011 02:35 Sadist wrote:
How did jinro play bad game 2? I mean what could have done against that with his build? Its not like he can just magically produce vikings out of nowhere. You need to 4 rax when you 1 rax cc. Terran cannot afford to tech AND expand vs protoss without some sort of tank/mech build without leaving themselves open to some 5-6 gate attack/4gate/dt rush/3 gate voidray/etc. If you defend too hard you lose the entire point of having the quick expansion and the protoss just expands and is ahead of you and rolls you.
This is the entire basis of me going mech, it lets you control space and its pretty good. Really fast phoenix builds are kinda sketchy and well timed carriers but thats about it. If you watch game 2, you'd notice there was a point in time where Jinro had about 15 marines and a Marauder, and Anypro had maybe 2 sentries and stalkers. That was his timing window, playing passively allowed Anypro to beeline straight towards Colossus, guaranteed loss from there. I was never a fan of no-gas fast expansion builds against Protoss, ever since Jinro was crushed by MC way back in GSL3, I've felt it has too many weaknesses. It's crushed outright by voidray zealot / 4gate sentry way too often. The proceeding transition into bio dies to the dreaded forcefield push (before stim), while an earlier mech transition leaves you with not enough for early warpgate pressure. My favorite build is something that uses marauders/conc shell, straight into expo and tanks. You take map control momentarily, denying scouting for a while and clearing the map of any hidden probes/pylons. Good example is set 1 of Alicia vs Supernova http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors2/vod/62461 Problem is you dont know what the protoss is doing, he saw 2 gateway robo expand. he could add 4 gates and make an immortal or something and if you try to attack there you get absolutely crushed and game is over. Or if he has 3 gateways you just split half the marines and warp in stalkers and maybe have an immortal and again hes owned. Its so risky to attack early vs P. You always scan before you walk up the ramp
Obviously, so he has stuff then what? You walk back and wasted a scan and protoss is even farther ahead. As for the guy talking about scouting the front and then scanning the main. Good luck. You better hope they have all their buildings in a nice little area ( the area you scanned too btw) and that they magically let you see their entire army composition with your front scout.
Bio is just a bad way to play vs current P
Scanning to scout isnt very effective early game.
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On April 01 2011 03:39 FrostShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2011 03:35 udgnim wrote:it seems that MC is the clear cut best player in SC2 at the moment doesn't even have a matchup weakness makes PvZ look broken. supremely confident in PvT and incredibly good at PvP. All: 50-19 (72.46%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): L W W W L W W W W L | View Games vT: 26-12 (68.42%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): W W W L L W W W W L | View Games vZ: 7-4 (63.64%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): L L W W W W W L W W | View Games vP: 17-3 (85.00%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): W W W W W W W L W W | View Games http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/players/640_Kratoss/main Not quite sure how you can say that when he got 2-0ed twice early in the FXO2, out first round in GSTL, and destroyed by WhiteRa recently. MorroW completely outplayed him, but made the fatal mistake of picking Zerg.
White-Ra didnt destroy MC at all. He made a lot of assumptions during that match and was lucky for them to be correct. Sure, his micro was pretty good, but if MC didnt go for blink stalkers but for 4gate, white-ra would have lost in a very one sided way.
And yes, MC had four gateways, but he only used 3 of them, having the 4th as a defensive one against a real 4gate.
MC: Blink stalkers, with 4th gateway to stop a possible 4gate rush by white-ra. Solid opening.
White-Ra: 100% blind counter to blink stalkers. MC went blink stalkers, their overall mechanics are very similar--> white-ra wins.
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Was a disappointing day, but I totally saw it coming. Ah well, hopefully we get to see some good games at some point. ^^
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On April 01 2011 00:56 dunc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2011 00:49 underdawg wrote:On April 01 2011 00:07 dunc wrote:On April 01 2011 00:04 tripper688 wrote:
Just wondering, maybe the whole dokdo thing was MKP saying SC2 is not really disputed territory and is owned by Koreans just like in SC1? Could be wrong though, maybe someone can enlighten me Have you ever read a single interview by MarineKing? He wouldn't do that.. he's pretty much the most humble player I've seen. It's related to something that was released yesterday. Considering it was written in English though, I somehow doubt it was his idea to do it in the first place. i agree, but what the heck did it mean? http://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/e_national/470809.htmlThere's no excuse for him doing it though and it makes me sad, it doesn't suit someone like him at all. Would've been better if he had done a ceremony towards his foreign fans or something but oh well
moon had an excuse at least since it obviously wasn't his idea
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On April 01 2011 03:39 FrostShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2011 03:35 udgnim wrote:it seems that MC is the clear cut best player in SC2 at the moment doesn't even have a matchup weakness makes PvZ look broken. supremely confident in PvT and incredibly good at PvP. All: 50-19 (72.46%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): L W W W L W W W W L | View Games vT: 26-12 (68.42%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): W W W L L W W W W L | View Games vZ: 7-4 (63.64%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): L L W W W W W L W W | View Games vP: 17-3 (85.00%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): W W W W W W W L W W | View Games http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/players/640_Kratoss/main Not quite sure how you can say that when he got 2-0ed twice early in the FXO2, out first round in GSTL, and destroyed by WhiteRa recently. MorroW completely outplayed him, but made the fatal mistake of picking Zerg.
Morrow got destroyed, ahahah, what are you talking about.You are outplaying no one if you lose. White Ra had a nice build against him, and sniped him, that's all. Give him a best of 3 and he gets smashed, like he did against San. And for the Fxopen, shit happens. If you think that ClOud is better than Mc, you live in fantasy land.
So much for TSL3 anyway. Sen got seriously manhandled. Sad stuff seriously.
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On April 01 2011 04:03 underdawg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2011 00:56 dunc wrote:On April 01 2011 00:49 underdawg wrote:On April 01 2011 00:07 dunc wrote:On April 01 2011 00:04 tripper688 wrote:
Just wondering, maybe the whole dokdo thing was MKP saying SC2 is not really disputed territory and is owned by Koreans just like in SC1? Could be wrong though, maybe someone can enlighten me Have you ever read a single interview by MarineKing? He wouldn't do that.. he's pretty much the most humble player I've seen. It's related to something that was released yesterday. Considering it was written in English though, I somehow doubt it was his idea to do it in the first place. i agree, but what the heck did it mean? http://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/e_national/470809.htmlThere's no excuse for him doing it though and it makes me sad, it doesn't suit someone like him at all. Would've been better if he had done a ceremony towards his foreign fans or something but oh well moon had an excuse at least since it obviously wasn't his idea
I honestly have zero idea what MKP did wrong? Did he insult anyone? Did he even jokingly insult anyone like Moon? I don't even know why you even brought Moon up in the first place.
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Ugh, these were pretty disappointing games to watch. I don't know, I'm not a fan of watching any games of PvX anymore. There seems to be no game play evolution in PvX. We've been seeing 4gates and colossus deathballs since beta. Add on the fact that there have been no unique styles that have come from the z/ts fighting against protoss means it's getting pretty bland from a spectator pov.
I'm probably going to skip all the protoss matchups to save myself some disappointment and boredom.
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On April 01 2011 04:20 Sein wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2011 04:03 underdawg wrote:On April 01 2011 00:56 dunc wrote:On April 01 2011 00:49 underdawg wrote:On April 01 2011 00:07 dunc wrote:On April 01 2011 00:04 tripper688 wrote:
Just wondering, maybe the whole dokdo thing was MKP saying SC2 is not really disputed territory and is owned by Koreans just like in SC1? Could be wrong though, maybe someone can enlighten me Have you ever read a single interview by MarineKing? He wouldn't do that.. he's pretty much the most humble player I've seen. It's related to something that was released yesterday. Considering it was written in English though, I somehow doubt it was his idea to do it in the first place. i agree, but what the heck did it mean? http://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/e_national/470809.htmlThere's no excuse for him doing it though and it makes me sad, it doesn't suit someone like him at all. Would've been better if he had done a ceremony towards his foreign fans or something but oh well moon had an excuse at least since it obviously wasn't his idea I honestly have zero idea what MKP did wrong? Did he insult anyone? Did he even jokingly insult anyone like Moon? I don't even know why you even brought Moon up in the first place.
Moon made a racist remark.. just like MKP in this case.
Did you read the article? Or have you not seen MarineKing's ceremony?
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On April 01 2011 03:39 FrostShadow wrote:
Not quite sure how you can say that when he got 2-0ed twice early in the FXO2, out first round in GSTL, and destroyed by WhiteRa recently. MorroW completely outplayed him, but made the fatal mistake of picking Zerg.
First game MC won vs 3 Bases from Morrow. Second game Morrow thought he could make again so many drones without problem. Nops. KRATOSSSSSS
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On March 31 2011 20:26 ciaNo wrote:
rofl god awful sunglasses
An Italian had to say it lol. Fashion faux pas i think it's called.
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On April 01 2011 04:27 dunc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2011 04:20 Sein wrote:On April 01 2011 04:03 underdawg wrote:On April 01 2011 00:56 dunc wrote:On April 01 2011 00:49 underdawg wrote:On April 01 2011 00:07 dunc wrote:On April 01 2011 00:04 tripper688 wrote:
Just wondering, maybe the whole dokdo thing was MKP saying SC2 is not really disputed territory and is owned by Koreans just like in SC1? Could be wrong though, maybe someone can enlighten me Have you ever read a single interview by MarineKing? He wouldn't do that.. he's pretty much the most humble player I've seen. It's related to something that was released yesterday. Considering it was written in English though, I somehow doubt it was his idea to do it in the first place. i agree, but what the heck did it mean? http://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/e_national/470809.htmlThere's no excuse for him doing it though and it makes me sad, it doesn't suit someone like him at all. Would've been better if he had done a ceremony towards his foreign fans or something but oh well moon had an excuse at least since it obviously wasn't his idea I honestly have zero idea what MKP did wrong? Did he insult anyone? Did he even jokingly insult anyone like Moon? I don't even know why you even brought Moon up in the first place. Moon made a racist remark.. just like MKP in this case. Did you read the article? Or have you not seen MarineKing's ceremony?
holding up a paper that says "Dokdo is Korean territory" is not in anyway racist. whether it is appropriate to make a political statement in a Starcraft 2 match is up for debate.
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On April 01 2011 04:45 udgnim wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2011 04:27 dunc wrote:On April 01 2011 04:20 Sein wrote:On April 01 2011 04:03 underdawg wrote:On April 01 2011 00:56 dunc wrote:On April 01 2011 00:49 underdawg wrote:On April 01 2011 00:07 dunc wrote:On April 01 2011 00:04 tripper688 wrote:
Just wondering, maybe the whole dokdo thing was MKP saying SC2 is not really disputed territory and is owned by Koreans just like in SC1? Could be wrong though, maybe someone can enlighten me Have you ever read a single interview by MarineKing? He wouldn't do that.. he's pretty much the most humble player I've seen. It's related to something that was released yesterday. Considering it was written in English though, I somehow doubt it was his idea to do it in the first place. i agree, but what the heck did it mean? http://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/e_national/470809.htmlThere's no excuse for him doing it though and it makes me sad, it doesn't suit someone like him at all. Would've been better if he had done a ceremony towards his foreign fans or something but oh well moon had an excuse at least since it obviously wasn't his idea I honestly have zero idea what MKP did wrong? Did he insult anyone? Did he even jokingly insult anyone like Moon? I don't even know why you even brought Moon up in the first place. Moon made a racist remark.. just like MKP in this case. Did you read the article? Or have you not seen MarineKing's ceremony? holding up a paper that says "Dokdo is Korean territory" is not in anyway racist. it's equivalent to saying "This is our house." GSL World Championship is played up as Korea versus the world. Dokdo is the place where most GOM Starcraft 2 games are played at. so it's not a far stretch to call Dokdo as being Korean territory.
So someone making a sign like that of one of the most controversial things between Korea and Japan is okay because most sc2 games are played there which obviously means it's Korean territory?
I honestly doubt the comment was aimed at the foreigners attending the tournament considering the recent happenings between the two countries
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Colossi are boring. ok you are right.
HT are OP, well now we wont see them.
Ando now you are telling that gateway units are boring to watch: What shoul P players do ? Mass Phoenix or maybe play with only probes ??
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I can't believe the amount of QQing in here. Where were you just a couple days ago in the team games when Zerg dominated? Or GSL 1, 2 & 4 when protoss was shut out of top 4? Seems which ever race wins for the day is OP. From Protoss perspective I remember the drought and it's cool to see MC so dominating after so many protoss players found themselves struggling.
MC HWaiting!
Jinro - shades on indoors is dorky.
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