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OTIX
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden491 Posts
March 31 2011 12:12 GMT
#2661
No excuses, Jinro just isn't playing well atm. He's not in the right place mentally, needs to find his groove again.
Resolve
Profile Joined August 2010
Singapore679 Posts
March 31 2011 12:12 GMT
#2662
On March 31 2011 21:05 mcc wrote:
lol at people that knew all Koreans are going to win today, you have prescience or what ? I expected Morrow and Jinro to lose (I did not know it like you did). But knowing that Sen will lose is laughable underestimation of Sen.

Actually there is no surprise that MKP rolled Sen today. His vs Zerg record was always sick. The last time he lost a game vs Zerg (other than the showmatch on Monday) was in early December 10 against Leenock (he took the series anyway).
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
March 31 2011 12:12 GMT
#2663
It seems so weird that HuK and Jinro vP seems to be their worst matchup when they have the best protoss in the world to practice with. Is it because of the communication barrier? Or Is MC just a crappy teacher?

btw do San and Anypro look extremely similar to anyone else?
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
Leyra
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1222 Posts
March 31 2011 12:12 GMT
#2664
Man... Foreigner play in the singles brackets has been so disappointing. Not because they're losing, per se, but simply because they played such awful games. Huk played like garbage, Sen played pretty poorly, Jinro made some terrible decisions, as did White-ra. Morrow was the only one who looked simply outclassed, the rest just played shitty and made poor decisions. Meanwhile Dimaga holding down like a boss and playing one of the best ZvZs I've ever seen lol. Just sucks to perpetuate the stereotype with such inconsistent play Ah well, c'est la vie.
Copymizer
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark2095 Posts
March 31 2011 12:12 GMT
#2665
absolute sad day for foreigner
~~Yo man ! MBCGame HERO Fighting !! Holy check !
zasda
Profile Joined March 2011
381 Posts
March 31 2011 12:13 GMT
#2666
On March 31 2011 21:10 rbx270j wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2011 20:25 zocktol wrote:
On March 31 2011 20:24 Aristodemus wrote:
MC can play macro games like a beast, but why win in 30min when you can win in 10min.


Is there ONE macro game from him in the GSL? I can't remember one.


I remember Jinro beating him in 1 or 2 in GSL 4 Code S

It's not other people's duty to inform how they have played. Find out yourself or don't comment if you don't have any basis for it.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45028 Posts
March 31 2011 12:13 GMT
#2667
On March 31 2011 21:11 aycheff wrote:
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On March 31 2011 21:06 Shameless wrote:
Oo

[image loading]


After seeing this, I want to give Jinro a tight brohug


Same here. What we saw just now was not the Code S -level Jinro, and he knows it.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Veasel
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden159 Posts
March 31 2011 12:13 GMT
#2668
On March 31 2011 21:10 acejem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2011 21:07 lockedCAPS wrote:
On March 31 2011 21:04 spaZzNx-` wrote:
Terran just isn't winning too much v Protoss as much as before. What happened LOL


Really feels like they forgot how good tanks are =P Aside from huk v mvp yesterday its really been a while since i've seen them used in the MU


Go see Supernova's marine/tank + bunkers (with a splash of marauders) then adding on banshees or vikings style. Future of TvP imo.


Are you retarded? Supernova plays on US, which sucks kind of hard you know!

Collosus fucks tanks, immortals too and also every other uint exept sentry is good against it!
Rest in Piece
realstarcrafter
Profile Joined March 2011
92 Posts
March 31 2011 12:13 GMT
#2669
On March 31 2011 21:07 L3g3nd_ wrote:
0/3 zergs and 0/3 foreigners

fuck that


ditto
dANiELcanuck
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada217 Posts
March 31 2011 12:13 GMT
#2670
The only reason Shakuras was good in the first place was because it was the largest map we had to play on at the time.

Sad to see Jinro go, I felt for him when he was frustrated with himself at the end. Any time I see someone lose to forcefields I smile on the inside though, and I say that as a Zerg player.
Ikkyu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France12 Posts
March 31 2011 12:13 GMT
#2671
On March 31 2011 21:07 papaz wrote:
I don't understand. They didn't change the balance that much that it should favor protoss this much did they?

This surely has to be just many of us going "OMG PROTOSS OP" when the statistics should show otherwise. I wish there was some stat page for GSL somewhere.



This has already been posted few days ago somewhere else on TL, but here we go :
http://www.gomtv.net/records/index.gom
Rien ne dure, tout change
ihavetofartosis
Profile Joined January 2011
1277 Posts
March 31 2011 12:13 GMT
#2672
On March 31 2011 21:11 Juanald wrote:
i cant beleive the balance wine im reading. personally im so surprisd 2 see protoss win so many games since blizzcon the stats showd protoss as weakest race and weve been nerfed every patch since then. guess the most strategic tactical players are attracted to protoss and the 1a crowd goes for z/t. my 2 sense on the whole issue

Nice troll. It's obvious since the opposite is true.
Aus.Force
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1278 Posts
March 31 2011 12:13 GMT
#2673
On March 31 2011 21:10 theMiNUS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2011 21:07 HolyArrow wrote:
Hate on MC all you want for his cockiness or playstyle, but you can't deny he's actually a nice guy Nice to see him comforting Jinro.


yea, that was awesome of MC... i think his cockiness is only part of his showmanship and not personality


think the saying "never judge a book by its cover" kinda sums it up. MC uses his interviews for his own confidence, and to add a bit of flare to the GSL. i wouldn't look to much into his cockyness on air. from what you hear from HuK etc on their streams, he's obviously a top bloke IRL
"no need for cinema, just watch special taktiks" - white-ra
blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
March 31 2011 12:13 GMT
#2674
On March 31 2011 21:06 SetStndbySmn wrote:
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On March 31 2011 21:02 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On March 31 2011 21:00 Jiddra wrote:
On March 31 2011 20:50 kellymilkies wrote:
Jinro still got this. seriously stop talking crap about him and its NOT a slump. no one can win 100% of the time zzz


LiquidTyler is calling it a slump in the latest State of the game, he is the teams captain.


According to someone else a few pages ago, Tyler also said on SotG that MC isn't extremely skilled; he just abuses builds.

Needless to say, I wouldn't take everything Tyler says as fact.


He did not say that. He said MC is an extremely skilled and talented player, but he doesn't like his style; moreover he called him the best player in the world. And Jinro himself posted that he's had poor focus lately, and hopes to get back in rhythm soon.


Exactly. It's so annoying tht ppl take wat is said on SotG and completely exaggerate it so it sounds like they're shitting on everyone. Tyler had to say it like 3 times so ppl would understand wat he said and still ppl twist it.

On the topic of Jinro tho, i think it's undeniable tht he's in a slump, particularly in TvP. But I'm sure he'll be able to get it together for the next GSL. I'd really love to see tht inspiring mech play he used in GSL4, while it's hard, i think it's worth trying instead of continuously losing with bio play.
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
DizzyDrone
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands629 Posts
March 31 2011 12:13 GMT
#2675
Seems to me that both Huk and Jinro are playing very passive in their games, which simply allows their opponent to do whatever they like
MESeidel
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany326 Posts
March 31 2011 12:14 GMT
#2676
On March 31 2011 21:06 Hider wrote:
This MU is a joke. Protoss can do al sorts of solid bos that are good against everything. Terran cant do anything, like getting upgrades, because they constantly have to worry about being safe against all protoss timing attacks. And even if terrans survive all the strong 2 push attacks they are not even in a good shape as protoss units throughout the whole game are much more cost efficient.


Ya you are right 0_o
Protoss needs to keep his Units together.
Cause MM is strong vs. lone Gateway and Strong vs solo Coloss.
Drop some in the back, make Toss go run after it, attack the front at the same time.
Can also do this with banshee.
Tanks are hard to break with a low coloss count Toss army.

Terran can do sick timings because the mules give you a huge eco boost for a certain time.
Protoss can not scout you once you walled in and has to get a Robo or cannon to stop banshee.
Mass repair can make a PF almost unkillable

......
Snowbear
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1925 Posts
March 31 2011 12:14 GMT
#2677
On March 31 2011 21:07 lockedCAPS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2011 21:04 spaZzNx-` wrote:
Terran just isn't winning too much v Protoss as much as before. What happened LOL


Really feels like they forgot how good tanks are =P Aside from huk v mvp yesterday its really been a while since i've seen them used in the MU



On March 31 2011 21:09 HeroMystic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2011 21:04 Dalavita wrote:
On March 31 2011 21:03 SiDX wrote:
with all these bigger maps i wished to see some mech from jinro


Big maps make mech worse.

This is true, but you also can't stay in your base as MM and expect to win like that. Mech is far better in that case, but Bio-Mech is even better.

With the recent uprising in Sentry abuse, I'm pressed to say MMM is no longer the ideal build.


There is only 1 viable build and that's MMM. Biomech is the worst composition ever.
1) you got the immobility of the tanks
2) you miss the firepower of tanks when you have a critical mass.
3) tanks actually shoot on your marines and marauders

Mech is only good on small maps.

Do you guys actually understand why the terrans with the most "success" all play MMM? Do you really think the top terrans are too lazy to experiment with something else then MMM? The reason why every topterran is using MMM is because it's actually the only viable thing. Biomech, mech and bansheebuilds are good, they work, but they are worse then MMM.
DaRKMaTT3r
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil553 Posts
March 31 2011 12:14 GMT
#2678
On March 31 2011 21:03 Zaurus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2011 20:57 Namu wrote:
On March 31 2011 20:55 Vorenius wrote:
On March 31 2011 20:35 hmmm... wrote:
On March 31 2011 20:25 Highways wrote:
I actually agree with what SOTG (Tyler, Incontrol) etc...

MC doesn't show that much skill, all he does is abusive builds. When you watch Bisu from BW, you are in awe at the game sense and multitasking.

Watching MC you don't feel you are watching anything special, except a abusive Protoss.


HAH! really.

then why don't tyler and incontrol copy mc's build and just own other people. i'm pretty sure their tournament earnings are hardly decent, maybe they could use some money by just doing abusive builds eh??? I'm sure they wish they had even 1/4 of MC's tournaments earnings.....

MC is skilled. If it were so easy, every other protoss would be playing like MC. But I do agree watching Bisu play is more awe-striking.

Maybe you should chill a bit when you hear someone talking about what someone else maybe said to someone somewhere and take it out of context... >_<

I think Tyler was the one to first say that he wasn't impressed by MC's strategies, but he specified it wasn't to take anything away from MC and he agreed he's the best player in the world currently.
But that doesn't mean he's style is substainable. Obviously since he mostly does the same builds in PvZ eventually people are gonna figure out how to counter it. And if they don't it's fair to assume it's due to game imbalances and that should be resolved aswell. Either way MC isn't gonna keep dominating.


but that's how everything competitive works... there's nothing "sustainable" so to speak.
eventually, someone will figure out how to counter your style, and you have to evolve.
same thing for tennis, chess, etc etc. Don't see what Tyler's point was...


There are ways to counter, is just whether you know what build order MC is going. Play the aggressor if you dont want to be guessing your opponent build order. I don't think MC care if people are impress with his strategy, as long as he keeps winning. IMO, it is a sore loser behavior to criticize about how people play to justify why you keep losing.


Way to distort what Tyler and Incontrol said Highways. You should listen to it again, because Tyler said he didn't like the MC style of play, because it's risky that a lot of times he does look like he is control of the situation but lots of things can happen. but he said his control is very good and he is currently probably the best in the world. And incontrol doesnt like the style either and is unhappy with the quality of the matches because is usually MC crushing that guy and everyone waiting for the other guy to gg.

That's the kind of distortion that makes some players to get some undeserved hate. =(
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
March 31 2011 12:14 GMT
#2679
On March 31 2011 21:08 Irrelevant wrote:
Foreigners prove that in a BO1 they can coin flip with Koreans. In Match play they are just getting out classes aside from Dimaga who's looking insane lately.


It's rather disappointing that moonglade or tt1 had to get out of ro16 cause both of them looked like by far the worse two out of the 16.

WhiteRa's pvp is below 50% winrate and in the last tourney he faced TLo he lost 0-2 when the latter randomed P. Morrow faced MC, Huk and Jinro for all intents and purposes ARE korean.
Sen lost to MKP who has 2nd highest TvZ ELO amongst koreans while he himself isnt even amongst top 10 ZvT ELO players on the foreign scene.
twitter.com/therealdhalism | "Trying out Z = lots of losses vs inferior players until you figure out how to do it well (if it even works)."- Liquid'Tyler
Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
March 31 2011 12:14 GMT
#2680
On March 31 2011 21:12 Cabinet Sanchez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2011 21:10 MrSexington wrote:
On March 31 2011 21:08 Vorenius wrote:
On March 31 2011 21:03 Cabinet Sanchez wrote:
On March 31 2011 21:01 labbe wrote:
On March 31 2011 20:55 Cabinet Sanchez wrote:
On March 31 2011 20:50 PlosionCornu wrote:
On March 31 2011 20:49 Striding Strider wrote:
Korean female caster is HOT.


Qft, she's really cute!


That's twice I've seen QFT used incorrectly on teamliquid in 2 days.
It means "quit fucking trolling" - are you trying to suggest it means "quite fucking true" or just deliberately using the wrong acronym?

Haha, Epic fail of trying to be a smart-ass.


http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=qft&page=3 Yuk it up smart ass

And LOL means Lots Of Love
ROFL means Regurlay Old Flakes of London.

The fact that it's the 18th word on that list and has twice the down votes as up votes should probably be a hint.


It means quoted for truth.


and quit fucking trolling.

I'm probably not the most active person when browsing multiple forums, but I've never ever seen that abbreviation been used to say "quit fucking trolling" over the last 8+ years
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