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StUfF
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia1437 Posts
April 23 2011 17:41 GMT
#3181
Xel Naga Caverns
Grubby vs Kas Game 3 (0-2)

Grubby spawns south as Blue Toss.
Kas spawns north as Red Terran.
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
April 23 2011 17:41 GMT
#3182
On April 24 2011 02:37 TYJ.Aoy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 02:36 manicshock wrote:
On April 24 2011 02:34 Mailing wrote:
On April 24 2011 02:33 DamnCats wrote:
Lose 2 completely full medivacs while doing zero damage, still up 40 supply. Kas macro = beastly as fuck.


At top level, macro level should not be this far apart, its' grubby that is macroing poorly as opposed to kas macroing amazingly.

Maybe you didn't see Kas vs Nada? Kas basically beasted through with macro, and Nada is known for his macro. Kas has really amazing macro.

Nah, NaDa supply blocked himself multiple times in every single game in that series, his play was very far from his optimal.


Not to mention the conditions for NaDa aren't optimal. Mistakes like supply blocking yourself are common when you are playing at 3:00 am. Kas' macro is great, probably on par with Jinro, but this series is more about how poor Grubby's macro is.
skinnyrl
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands125 Posts
April 23 2011 17:41 GMT
#3183
i think also kas and naniwa are def the strongest 2 players from europe atm. They play so good.
''Every advantage has it's disadvantage'' Johan Cruyf
skinnyrl
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands125 Posts
April 23 2011 17:42 GMT
#3184
also amazing to see kas coming from wc3 background i mean his macro is topnotch and reminds me of nada from sc1
''Every advantage has it's disadvantage'' Johan Cruyf
Milvus
Profile Joined May 2010
Switzerland400 Posts
April 23 2011 17:42 GMT
#3185
On April 24 2011 02:40 RedDragon571 wrote:
Well, MC can sit and watch Kas's P v T, big advantage imo...


THIS
kheldorin
Profile Joined April 2010
Singapore539 Posts
April 23 2011 17:42 GMT
#3186
On April 24 2011 02:39 Gevna wrote:
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On April 24 2011 02:35 Benjef wrote:
Kas is sooo goood and this is fun to watch unlike when MC FFs everything and rolls his opponent.


I don't really see how it can be better to see a bioball rolls over a toss, than MC placing any forfefield in perfect position and rolls over morrow.


I agree. You don't really need to place stim. MC plays a more varied unit composition. Kas doesn't even need to stim kite. He just stimmed and won. MC always FF and then move back his collossus.
Jman5
Profile Joined September 2010
United States745 Posts
April 23 2011 17:42 GMT
#3187
If Grubby wants to beat Kas' style He has to continually snipe vikings and medivacs while delaying Kas from pushing his base. Otherwise he is just gonna get overwhelmed by mass Marine/Marauder. Blink stalker harass is a must IMO
caster0123
Profile Joined October 2010
324 Posts
April 23 2011 17:42 GMT
#3188
lmao 4 gate and pool the probe... protoss dont have mule xD
ffdestiny
Profile Joined September 2010
United States773 Posts
April 23 2011 17:42 GMT
#3189
On April 24 2011 02:40 s4life wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 02:39 ffdestiny wrote:
On April 24 2011 02:37 Lann555 wrote:
On April 24 2011 02:36 manicshock wrote:
On April 24 2011 02:34 Mailing wrote:
On April 24 2011 02:33 DamnCats wrote:
Lose 2 completely full medivacs while doing zero damage, still up 40 supply. Kas macro = beastly as fuck.


At top level, macro level should not be this far apart, its' grubby that is macroing poorly as opposed to kas macroing amazingly.

Maybe you didn't see Kas vs Nada? Kas basically beasted through with macro, and Nada is known for his macro. Kas has really amazing macro.


Definitely the best macro Terran in Europe. Him vs MC will give alot more insight into how good Kas has actually become. I think he might give MC a run for his money...although not sure Kas can handle the insane MC pressure


I don't think so--Kas isn't ready for MC, although he has solid mechanics, so does IdrA or Jinro and they both lost to MC. I'd give it 30%.


I think Kas is a much better player than Jinro and Idra -- Naniwa considers him the best player in Europe by far -- but that's just me I guess..


Both Naniwa and Kas are similar--young, sort of newcomers to being showcased in tournaments, but Idra and Jinro are aged vets who have played/play in Korea--you can't beat that kind of experience. Idra also has better macro than Kas.
Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
April 23 2011 17:42 GMT
#3190
On April 24 2011 02:39 Coolwhip wrote:
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On April 24 2011 02:37 kapistar wrote:
Why Grubby didn't end this game with his first push when he killed 20 SCVs? Can someone tell me?


I was thinking that too.

Kas was a head on SCV's AND was teching, even with the 20kills whilst grubby was starting his expo + no tech. Then when you factor in mules, Grubby wasn't a head, he just barely pulled himself back into the game.
Aus.Force
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1278 Posts
April 23 2011 17:43 GMT
#3191
On April 24 2011 02:42 Milvus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 02:40 RedDragon571 wrote:
Well, MC can sit and watch Kas's P v T, big advantage imo...


THIS


because its impossible to find any information about how MC plays?
"no need for cinema, just watch special taktiks" - white-ra
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7996 Posts
April 23 2011 17:43 GMT
#3192
Kas vs MC will be such a clash of skill, really looking forward to it.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-23 17:44:35
April 23 2011 17:43 GMT
#3193
On April 24 2011 02:41 OnlineHero wrote:
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On April 24 2011 02:40 Skillz_Man wrote:
Yeah Grubby was just behind after the 4 gate since he had 32 SCVs to Grubby's 28 probes. Which is a HUGE advantage for the terran. To be ahead after a 4 gate you need to get terran down to 15-20 SCV


The amazing part is that he had that SCV advantage AFTER losing like 19 SCVs to the 4 gate.

He had his 2nd CC really early, and from what i know you stop building probes pretty early when playing 4gate.
s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
April 23 2011 17:43 GMT
#3194
On April 24 2011 02:42 Milvus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 02:40 RedDragon571 wrote:
Well, MC can sit and watch Kas's P v T, big advantage imo...


THIS


I don't see any advantage really.. Kas plays pretty solid, risk-averse, standard game. MC can still cheese his way through the series thanks to maps and stuff, but he will have to win a macro game against Kas... and I really don't see that happening, unless Kas gets nervous.
Aristodemus
Profile Joined January 2011
England1993 Posts
April 23 2011 17:44 GMT
#3195
On April 24 2011 02:42 ffdestiny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 02:40 s4life wrote:
On April 24 2011 02:39 ffdestiny wrote:
On April 24 2011 02:37 Lann555 wrote:
On April 24 2011 02:36 manicshock wrote:
On April 24 2011 02:34 Mailing wrote:
On April 24 2011 02:33 DamnCats wrote:
Lose 2 completely full medivacs while doing zero damage, still up 40 supply. Kas macro = beastly as fuck.


At top level, macro level should not be this far apart, its' grubby that is macroing poorly as opposed to kas macroing amazingly.

Maybe you didn't see Kas vs Nada? Kas basically beasted through with macro, and Nada is known for his macro. Kas has really amazing macro.


Definitely the best macro Terran in Europe. Him vs MC will give alot more insight into how good Kas has actually become. I think he might give MC a run for his money...although not sure Kas can handle the insane MC pressure


I don't think so--Kas isn't ready for MC, although he has solid mechanics, so does IdrA or Jinro and they both lost to MC. I'd give it 30%.


I think Kas is a much better player than Jinro and Idra -- Naniwa considers him the best player in Europe by far -- but that's just me I guess..


Both Naniwa and Kas are similar--young, sort of newcomers to being showcased in tournaments, but Idra and Jinro are aged vets who have played/play in Korea--you can't beat that kind of experience. Idra also has better macro than Kas.


No way, id love to see them play. Idra is vastly over-rated whereas Kas is vastly under-rated (well on your side of the pond anyway).
once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more
Mephiztopheles1
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
1124 Posts
April 23 2011 17:44 GMT
#3196
On April 24 2011 02:40 Lennon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 02:37 Yaotzin wrote:
On April 24 2011 02:36 manicshock wrote:
On April 24 2011 02:34 Mailing wrote:
On April 24 2011 02:33 DamnCats wrote:
Lose 2 completely full medivacs while doing zero damage, still up 40 supply. Kas macro = beastly as fuck.


At top level, macro level should not be this far apart, its' grubby that is macroing poorly as opposed to kas macroing amazingly.

Maybe you didn't see Kas vs Nada? Kas basically beasted through with macro, and Nada is known for his macro. Kas has really amazing macro.

Nada was getting supply blocked and stuff. Kas does have really good macro, but let's not compare it to that and a WC3 player who clearly needs to work on his macro..


Kas was a WC3 player.

Don't let the people who think ex-wc3 pros are doomed to fail know that

Also, Kas has played at least 1k-2k games more than Grubby, Kas has been laddering like a beast the moment the game came out, Grubby has been practicing only for a few months.

Still, Kas vs MC promises to be an exciting final
Andamanen
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands915 Posts
April 23 2011 17:44 GMT
#3197
I want Grubby to win, but also want to see Kas vs MC
robice
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Germany114 Posts
April 23 2011 17:45 GMT
#3198
Mana is really surprising me. He does a very good job commentating. Not only because he gives good insight but i also like his style.
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
April 23 2011 17:45 GMT
#3199
This is going to be hard for MC if Kas wins... His PvT isn't that good, and Kas is awesome. It's going to be an awesome finals
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
April 23 2011 17:45 GMT
#3200
On April 24 2011 02:34 Mailing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 02:33 DamnCats wrote:
Lose 2 completely full medivacs while doing zero damage, still up 40 supply. Kas macro = beastly as fuck.


At top level, macro level should not be this far apart, its' grubby that is macroing poorly as opposed to kas macroing amazingly.

It's that, plus Kas just had an extra base and Grubby didn't notice.

Don't get me wrong, Kas is one of the best there is, but that game wasn't a product of Kas being amazing. In fact, he was quite sloppy while defending the 4gate and throwing away medivacs. Grubby just didn't keep up, so Kas looked overwhelming.

It's like GSL2 when Terran would stay on 2 base while Zergs took the map. Of course the Zerg looked great when they rolled, but it was a product of Terran failure rather than Zerg outplaying them.
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