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On March 05 2011 17:46 PhilMeIn wrote:
i missed kisoo's match with scfou, but apparently he lost.
is sc that good or did he just capitalized on kisoo's mistakes?
I really dont think sc is THAT good. I, for me, know he won't get to the finals. But that's just me though.
It was a terrible series, they pretty much both played like shit. Kind of disappointing, I'm waiting for something good from Tester, but he refuses to show it...
I do see scfou taking out the grossly overrated SanZenith, though
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On March 05 2011 17:45 Nemireck wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2011 17:37 Rabiator wrote:
Obiously building a ton of Spine Crawlers to defend that bottom right is a no brainer, but Zerg are always told that Spine Crawlers are things they "dont want to make". Spine Crawlers would only have delayed the push. Collosus with Thermal Lance outrange Spines, so they would have been a waste of minerals. Once that deathball is created, it's incredibly difficult for Z to get back into the game.
Thats exactly what artosis said. Corrupters to own the colo, after the colo are dead toss will only have stalkers/sentries vs the spines. The stalkers will have to spend time killing the spines, the zerg will have to use that time to remax on hydras and zerglings to finish the toss army.
Not saying it would work but it definitely would have gone better than what kyrix did.
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I don't think anybody predicted these guys for top 8...I only guessed MC correctly
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haha, holy shit. I don't normally like players outside of the race I play myself (Zerg) , but San is sailing up as one of my favorite players. To be fair how can such a terrible player become such a beast all of a sudden ?
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On March 05 2011 17:48 cordlc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2011 17:46 PhilMeIn wrote:
i missed kisoo's match with scfou, but apparently he lost.
is sc that good or did he just capitalized on kisoo's mistakes?
I really dont think sc is THAT good. I, for me, know he won't get to the finals. But that's just me though. It was a terrible series, they pretty much both played like shit. Kind of disappointing, I'm waiting for something good from Tester, but he refuses to show it... I do see scfou taking out the grossly overrated SanZenith, though
Lol. Yeah, I can see that as well. But, I actually think San has improved a shit load compared to the previous seasons. I will say he's good though.
Yeah, I'm just a little shocked to see how much Kisoo's play has fallen since I watched him in beta. He went from high flying beast mode to just plain mediocre. Then again, I can say the same for other beta top players as well, such as Maka. ~_~_~_~
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Zerg really needed to start teching up to T3 units earlier with broodlords and ultras instead of just massing up t1/t2 roaches and hyrdas all clumped up together. Baneling drops seem useless against Toss deathballs, they're better off droping them off in the toss mineral line.
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On March 05 2011 17:46 VashTS wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2011 17:42 vrok wrote:On March 05 2011 17:41 VashTS wrote:
Man, this sucks. I missed EVERY GAME! I didn't know it came on early on Friday, ffs... Any way I can watch any of the games? I'm gonna watch the TL recommended games if I can.
No ticket btw. Yes. Get a ticket. Wow, way to be a real asshole. If I had money for a ticket, I would buy one, np. However, I currently don't even have internet. I've been getting WiFi from my m8 next door for quite a while now. How about a legit answer next time, like "Sorry, but you can't."
Well VODs of the first games are always free with an account, so you can catch those. Most of the games tonight weren't that great anyway. The only person I know who makes VODs got taken out a while ago.
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Teching to broods takes a lot of time and gas and if done too fast its way too risky. Against terran, zergling infestor does exactly that - infestors hold off and stall the push to tier 3. against toss, its much harder, especially with blink stalkers.
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This GSL season is awful. I stopped playing Starcraft 2 because I got bored of it and got better things to do but now there aren't even any tournament games worth watching because all my favorite players are out 
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On March 05 2011 17:46 VashTS wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2011 17:42 vrok wrote:On March 05 2011 17:41 VashTS wrote:
Man, this sucks. I missed EVERY GAME! I didn't know it came on early on Friday, ffs... Any way I can watch any of the games? I'm gonna watch the TL recommended games if I can.
No ticket btw. Yes. Get a ticket. Wow, way to be a real asshole. If I had money for a ticket, I would buy one, np. However, I currently don't even have internet. I've been getting WiFi from my m8 next door for quite a while now. How about a legit answer next time, like "Sorry, but you can't."
It was _the_ legitimate answer. Get the sand out of your vagina dude.
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On March 05 2011 17:46 VashTS wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2011 17:42 vrok wrote:On March 05 2011 17:41 VashTS wrote:
Man, this sucks. I missed EVERY GAME! I didn't know it came on early on Friday, ffs... Any way I can watch any of the games? I'm gonna watch the TL recommended games if I can.
No ticket btw. Yes. Get a ticket. Wow, way to be a real asshole. If I had money for a ticket, I would buy one, np. However, I currently don't even have internet. I've been getting WiFi from my m8 next door for quite a while now. How about a legit answer next time, like "Sorry, but you can't."
Umm the only way to actually watch the GSL when it isn't live on the stream is through buying the ticket. If you only have an account you can watch the first game of every match though.
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On March 05 2011 17:53 TheTenthDoc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2011 17:46 VashTS wrote:On March 05 2011 17:42 vrok wrote:On March 05 2011 17:41 VashTS wrote:
Man, this sucks. I missed EVERY GAME! I didn't know it came on early on Friday, ffs... Any way I can watch any of the games? I'm gonna watch the TL recommended games if I can.
No ticket btw. Yes. Get a ticket. Wow, way to be a real asshole. If I had money for a ticket, I would buy one, np. However, I currently don't even have internet. I've been getting WiFi from my m8 next door for quite a while now. How about a legit answer next time, like "Sorry, but you can't." Well VODs of the first games are always free with an account, so you can catch those. Most of the games tonight weren't that great anyway. The only person I know who makes VODs got taken out a while ago.
Ahh, I see. I usually catch all of or most of the GSL, so I was unaware. Thanks.
On March 05 2011 17:55 vrok wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2011 17:46 VashTS wrote:On March 05 2011 17:42 vrok wrote:On March 05 2011 17:41 VashTS wrote:
Man, this sucks. I missed EVERY GAME! I didn't know it came on early on Friday, ffs... Any way I can watch any of the games? I'm gonna watch the TL recommended games if I can.
No ticket btw. Yes. Get a ticket. Wow, way to be a real asshole. If I had money for a ticket, I would buy one, np. However, I currently don't even have internet. I've been getting WiFi from my m8 next door for quite a while now. How about a legit answer next time, like "Sorry, but you can't." It was _the_ legitimate answer. Get the sand out of your vagina dude.
Yea, because "GET TIX OR GTFO" is real legit. Maybe for trolls.
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On March 05 2011 17:42 Entropic wrote:
5 protoss, if Tester advanced, that woulda been 6 protoss in ro8!!!
sucks PvP is horrible to watch
Yeah, 5 Protoss left is a nightmare for us spectators. Any game involving Protoss have become nigh impossible to watch and I feel it just keeps going downhill spectator-wise. I have started to prefer PvP actually, since it doesn't degenerate as much to the dreadful ball vs ball play of the non-mirror PvX, and tend to end quickly. Watching games involving P and games without P are like watching 2 different games, and it makes me so sad.
On March 05 2011 17:54 Somnolence wrote:This GSL season is awful. I stopped playing Starcraft 2 because I got bored of it and got better things to do but now there aren't even any tournament games worth watching because all my favorite players are out
True, this GSL have been the worst so far. I had to turn off the games except the TvT mirror. Blizzard really need to do something quick to make watching P interesting. Firstly because it is the race that most people play, and secondly because even when people start switching to T and Z there will still be atleast one third of the games involving P.
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After seeing protoss air openings dominate game after game, including my own recently, getting a 4th or 5th queen as quickly as possible really might be the best way to deal with that opening and still be solid against other openings. It's pretty clear that phoenix harass and sniping off a few early hydras really puts a zerg behind.
And the best part about the extra queens is the extra map vision from mass creeps tumors. The other best part is they require zero tech, besides a spawning pool.
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seems like prophet IdrA was right heh?
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On March 05 2011 17:50 Maskedsatyr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2011 17:45 Nemireck wrote:On March 05 2011 17:37 Rabiator wrote:
Obiously building a ton of Spine Crawlers to defend that bottom right is a no brainer, but Zerg are always told that Spine Crawlers are things they "dont want to make". Spine Crawlers would only have delayed the push. Collosus with Thermal Lance outrange Spines, so they would have been a waste of minerals. Once that deathball is created, it's incredibly difficult for Z to get back into the game. Thats exactly what artosis said. Corrupters to own the colo, after the colo are dead toss will only have stalkers/sentries vs the spines. The stalkers will have to spend time killing the spines, the zerg will have to use that time to remax on hydras and zerglings to finish the toss army. Not saying it would work but it definitely would have gone better than what kyrix did.
I'm almost certain it wouldn't have worked. To make enough spines to have even delayed the push would have required time to spread the creep and make the spines, and at least 1000 minerals, which would cut into the size of the corruptor ball, and anything else Kyrix decided to make - granted, he made tons of banelings, so he probably had the resources to do it, but what would have happened?
My feeling is that he would have traded the corruptors, but remember, the amount he had were not enough to clear the collosus in an all-out battle, they would have been even more useless if the stalkers didn't have ground-units to shoot as well. Then Toss would only have had to make 2 more Collosus (double robo all the way) and go right back to hitting the spines. Toss could also have made more Vrays to support the collosus, so I'm not sure spines are the answer. I'm not 100% sure that there even IS an answer to the situation that Kyrix found himself in. He only had 56 drones, not a big enough economy for the re-max style of play Zerg needs to use to beat the deathball.
The game was essentially over the second that Kyrix lost his 3rd hatch and 2 queens. After that, it was Anypro's game to lose, and you have to be a bad Toss player to lose from that position, something none of these GSL players are. Once a Z falls that far behind against a Toss, the games basically done.
Obviously, Zergs are now going to have to learn how to scout and prepare for this style of stargate opening play from Toss.
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On March 05 2011 18:02 HowardRoark wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2011 17:42 Entropic wrote:
5 protoss, if Tester advanced, that woulda been 6 protoss in ro8!!!
sucks PvP is horrible to watch Yeah, 5 Protoss left is a nightmare for us spectators. Any game involving Protoss have become nigh impossible to watch and I feel it just keeps going downhill spectator-wise. I have started to prefer PvP actually, since it doesn't degenerate as much to the dreadful ball vs ball play of the non-mirror PvX, and tend to end quickly. Watching games involving P and games without P are like watching 2 different games, and it makes me so sad.
4 toss, 3 terran and 1 zerg.
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On March 05 2011 18:07 Nemireck wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2011 17:50 Maskedsatyr wrote:On March 05 2011 17:45 Nemireck wrote:On March 05 2011 17:37 Rabiator wrote:
Obiously building a ton of Spine Crawlers to defend that bottom right is a no brainer, but Zerg are always told that Spine Crawlers are things they "dont want to make". Spine Crawlers would only have delayed the push. Collosus with Thermal Lance outrange Spines, so they would have been a waste of minerals. Once that deathball is created, it's incredibly difficult for Z to get back into the game. Thats exactly what artosis said. Corrupters to own the colo, after the colo are dead toss will only have stalkers/sentries vs the spines. The stalkers will have to spend time killing the spines, the zerg will have to use that time to remax on hydras and zerglings to finish the toss army. Not saying it would work but it definitely would have gone better than what kyrix did. I'm almost certain it wouldn't have worked. To make enough spines to have even delayed the push would have required time to spread the creep and make the spines, and at least 1000 minerals, which would cut into the size of the corruptor ball, and anything else Kyrix decided to make - granted, he made tons of banelings, so he probably had the resources to do it, but what would have happened? My feeling is that he would have traded the corruptors, but remember, the amount he had were not enough to clear the collosus in an all-out battle, they would have been even more useless if the stalkers didn't have ground-units to shoot as well. Then Toss would only have had to make 2 more Collosus (double robo all the way) and go right back to hitting the spines. Toss could also have made more Vrays to support the collosus, so I'm not sure spines are the answer. I'm not 100% sure that there even IS an answer to the situation that Kyrix found himself in. He only had 56 drones, not a big enough economy for the re-max style of play Zerg needs to use to beat the deathball. The game was essentially over the second that Kyrix lost his 3rd hatch and 2 queens. After that, it was Anypro's game to lose, and you have to be a bad Toss player to lose from that position, something none of these GSL players are. Once a Z falls that far behind against a Toss, the games basically done. Obviously, Zergs are now going to have to learn how to scout and prepare for this style of stargate opening play from Toss.
Kyrix did hit the proper OL timing to scout the build. On Terminus he was denied, and there are so many places to hide a stargate, thats always going to happen. On Shakeras he was unlucky, I think the OL only missed the stargate by half a screen.
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Zergs need to start learning to do what july does - double hatch in the main or natural as STANDARD play.
This allows at least 2-3 queens defending at all times with creep spread from main to natural to prevent against any early air play.
Also it is not safe on most maps to have 3 bases running in the early-mid game. Zerg runs pretty fine on 2 base with 3 hatches, there really is no need to get a third expo when you can just heavily saturate 2 bases like what protoss does.
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On March 05 2011 18:00 VashTS wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2011 17:53 TheTenthDoc wrote:On March 05 2011 17:46 VashTS wrote:On March 05 2011 17:42 vrok wrote:On March 05 2011 17:41 VashTS wrote:
Man, this sucks. I missed EVERY GAME! I didn't know it came on early on Friday, ffs... Any way I can watch any of the games? I'm gonna watch the TL recommended games if I can.
No ticket btw. Yes. Get a ticket. Wow, way to be a real asshole. If I had money for a ticket, I would buy one, np. However, I currently don't even have internet. I've been getting WiFi from my m8 next door for quite a while now. How about a legit answer next time, like "Sorry, but you can't." Well VODs of the first games are always free with an account, so you can catch those. Most of the games tonight weren't that great anyway. The only person I know who makes VODs got taken out a while ago. Ahh, I see. I usually catch all of or most of the GSL, so I was unaware. Thanks. Show nested quote +On March 05 2011 17:55 vrok wrote:On March 05 2011 17:46 VashTS wrote:On March 05 2011 17:42 vrok wrote:On March 05 2011 17:41 VashTS wrote:
Man, this sucks. I missed EVERY GAME! I didn't know it came on early on Friday, ffs... Any way I can watch any of the games? I'm gonna watch the TL recommended games if I can.
No ticket btw. Yes. Get a ticket. Wow, way to be a real asshole. If I had money for a ticket, I would buy one, np. However, I currently don't even have internet. I've been getting WiFi from my m8 next door for quite a while now. How about a legit answer next time, like "Sorry, but you can't." It was _the_ legitimate answer. Get the sand out of your vagina dude. Yea, because "GET TIX OR GTFO" is real legit. Maybe for trolls.
I thought it was common knowledge that the only way to watch the GSL vods was with a ticket? I'm not surprised you got a trollish answer considering the number of idiots who KNOW that missing the GSL means they MUST pay for the VODs, but still come into these threads posting:
"Kekekekeke, I missed the GSL. I don't have 10 bucks to spend on the VODs (alternatively, their parents don't want to pay for it). Any way to watch these illegally for free lar?"
His answer wasn't even that trollish, it was clear-cut and didn't beat around the bush, he shouldn't have to worry that some kid on teh interwebz is oversensitive to being given an answer straight-up without all the frilly peace-keeping attempts.
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