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Nice! nAni will win this 4-2.
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Should be epic! Lookin forward to watching
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 NaNiwa has 11 on  Morrows 4 in their matches so far (but that includes morrows time as T)
MorroW has 52% vs P.
NaNiwa has 69% vs Z.
Battle of Sweden seem to be in the toss' favor.
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Hoping for Morrow, since I like his playstyle. And of course I don't want to miss a single opportunity to see Naniwa losing. Despite Naniwa's unfortunate skill at the game, my money's on the swedish zerg.
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will it be casted live or from replays?
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Epic showmatch, looking forward to this. Good luck to both players.
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On March 04 2011 06:11 Shockk wrote:
Hoping for Morrow, since I like his playstyle. And of course I don't want to miss a single opportunity to see Naniwa losing. Despite Naniwa's unfortunate skill at the game, my money's on the swedish zerg.
I'm hoping for MorroW too, but I'd never put money on the Z in a PvZ.
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On March 04 2011 07:00 hmunkey wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2011 06:11 Shockk wrote:
Hoping for Morrow, since I like his playstyle. And of course I don't want to miss a single opportunity to see Naniwa losing. Despite Naniwa's unfortunate skill at the game, my money's on the swedish zerg. I'm hoping for MorroW too, but I'd never put money on the Z in a PvZ.
Morrow has his ZvP down. He knows how to deal with the pesky protosses.
Wouldn't be surprised to see him win this in amazing fashion
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Morrows good, but Nani when he's on his game has pretty much the best PvZ outside of Korea
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Naniwa got this imo, will definatly tune in great players.
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Morrow should be able to take this, will definitely watch this.
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Australia8532 Posts
Wow.. that is 6am for me 
Really hoping for some VODs hehe
Naniwa is damn good at 4gating (not saying that in a negative way) so i am abit worried for MorroW.. Hope he is well-prepared
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I think Naniwa will probably win this one. Either way it'll be a great match. I'm not among those who hold Naniwa's "past digressions" against him. To tell the truth, all I know about that is what I've read from fellow nerds on Team Liquid, so I can't really put too much into it. Either way he seems to have taken the lighter path. Oh, and he's a fucking good protoss.
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Should be some really good games. Going to root for the swarm! Morrow fighting!
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macro zerg vs the 1 base king ;o
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Oh wow the Big Euros going at it. A must see. Dignitas!
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On March 04 2011 06:11 Shockk wrote:
Hoping for Morrow, since I like his playstyle. And of course I don't want to miss a single opportunity to see Naniwa losing. Despite Naniwa's unfortunate skill at the game, my money's on the swedish zerg.
I dont get this, why does so much of the german community dislike him?, his esl guestbook is kinda retarded with all the hate comments on it, so what if he is or was bm to some players, he didnt bm you personally
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Nice, nice. Two of my favorite swedes. Looking forward to watch this. Good luck to both!
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I think this will be very close, but I'm gonna give the edge to Morrow who seems to be a more consistent player.
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On March 05 2011 03:40 shaunnn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2011 06:11 Shockk wrote:
Hoping for Morrow, since I like his playstyle. And of course I don't want to miss a single opportunity to see Naniwa losing. Despite Naniwa's unfortunate skill at the game, my money's on the swedish zerg. I dont get this, why does so much of the german community dislike him?, his esl guestbook is kinda retarded with all the hate comments on it, so what if he is or was bm to some players, he didnt bm you personally
I used to dislike him too but since it seems like he really improved his behavior this is totally gone but I can understand that especially germans don't like him because the stuff he did while his stay in germany was a bit more then "bm to some players".
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uhh sick showmatch, 2 very skilled players :D nice we get some more showmatches for EU^^
think naniwa will take it, no offense to MorroW, hes great ZvP, but when nani plays well hes top 2 PvZer outside of kr imo, he has like a 70% win in it too or something insane^^
hoping for a 4-3!
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On March 05 2011 04:27 Influ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2011 03:40 shaunnn wrote:On March 04 2011 06:11 Shockk wrote:
Hoping for Morrow, since I like his playstyle. And of course I don't want to miss a single opportunity to see Naniwa losing. Despite Naniwa's unfortunate skill at the game, my money's on the swedish zerg. I dont get this, why does so much of the german community dislike him?, his esl guestbook is kinda retarded with all the hate comments on it, so what if he is or was bm to some players, he didnt bm you personally I used to dislike him too but since it seems like he really improved his behavior this is totally gone but I can understand that especially germans don't like him because the stuff he did while his stay in germany was a bit more then "bm to some players".
What stuff?
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Yeah, what did Naniwa do? There seems to be a lot of hate towards Lalush and Naniwa from what I have seen...
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On March 05 2011 03:15 Felix_mk wrote:
Who's going to cast it?
me + either eleine or sheekthief. we'll sort that out when i'm back from cebit 
On March 05 2011 04:40 Daimai wrote:
Yeah, what did Naniwa do? There seems to be a lot of hate towards Lalush and Naniwa from what I have seen...
he used to be very bm and got kicked out of eps etc. but he realized that being nice is nicer and he's very cool now a lot of people only remember him as a douche, unfortunately.
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Hoping for Morrow to take this, but Nanis really strong so it should be some good games.
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On March 05 2011 03:40 shaunnn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2011 06:11 Shockk wrote:
Hoping for Morrow, since I like his playstyle. And of course I don't want to miss a single opportunity to see Naniwa losing. Despite Naniwa's unfortunate skill at the game, my money's on the swedish zerg. I dont get this, why does so much of the german community dislike him?, his esl guestbook is kinda retarded with all the hate comments on it, so what if he is or was bm to some players, he didnt bm you personally
On March 05 2011 04:40 Daimai wrote:
Yeah, what did Naniwa do? There seems to be a lot of hate towards Lalush and Naniwa from what I have seen...
Simply put, Naniwa has been a douche for pretty much all of his career until he "promised to better himself" at the end of 2010 (i.e. it's only been a few months). This started in War3 and continued in SC2. Online and in tournaments, he was arrogant, cocky and BM, exploiting his position as a known player to forfeit/delay matches without any consequences, and being a condescending prick in general. There are so many stories of players and tournament admins having some kind of issue with him or his behaviour that it's not even funny.
Then there's his personal life. He basically threw school to play War3. He got thrown out by his parents because they wanted him to make something out of his life (that's when he was 15, mind you) and all he did was gaming, ignoring their wishes/requests.
Despite all this, the guy still received support. Sponsors still enabled him to continue playing and thus encouraged his behaviour - it worked, after all. Fast forward a bit and he plays SC2, has a sponsored appartment in Germany to play in the EPS ... and manages to screw that up by completely ignoring the rules and collecting more penalty points than humanly possible. Something no other pro gamer has ever managed to do. League kicks him, he loses his sponsorship, his appartment and his clan kicks him. But instead of trying to do some concession and at least leaving on good terms with everyone, he basically vanishes, doesn't even tell his roommate (ClouD) he's gone and - surprise! - once again gets a sponsorship and is paid to play games once he's back home.
And at the end of all this in late 2010, he promises to "change". He says his BM days are over and acts as if all this was a thing of his distant, teenage past, when the last cases of him being a rude, unprofessional person happened mere weeks before that statement.
TL;DR:
Naniwa has screwed his education, the relationship to his parents, several memberships in sponsored clans, even sponsored appartments and friendships because of gaming and lacking social skills. This guy is the stereotypical addicted gamer oblivious to his sorroundings who doesn't need support with what he's doing, but professional help. Sadly, he's skilled enough at SC2 to make it pay for him.
If he actually manages to mature and improve himself I'll be genuinely impressed. But he'll have to keep a professional attitude for a really long time (read: years) before I believe he's changed. He has so many years of bad behaviour to make up for.
And that is why I want him to lose every single game he plays. Because he's the worst representative possible for Esports. Sorry for the long text, but I really dislike this guy.
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On March 05 2011 04:40 Daimai wrote:
Yeah, what did Naniwa do? There seems to be a lot of hate towards Lalush and Naniwa from what I have seen...
Why should you cheer for people that resort to flaming their opponents or start with balance whining just because they lost a game? Its just childish and annoying.
Nerchio and Satiini are in the same category btw.
Naniwa has somewhat improved lately though.
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couldnt see too much lately of nani.
anyway, i predict a 3-2 for naniwa.
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On March 05 2011 22:00 DiaBoLuS wrote:
couldnt see too much lately of nani.
anyway, i predict a 3-2 for naniwa.
Naniwa is good and all, but not that good. Then again, nobody is good enough to win a Bo7 in 3 wins...
I just have to say, damn good players should be good.
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On March 05 2011 18:53 Shockk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2011 03:40 shaunnn wrote:On March 04 2011 06:11 Shockk wrote:
Hoping for Morrow, since I like his playstyle. And of course I don't want to miss a single opportunity to see Naniwa losing. Despite Naniwa's unfortunate skill at the game, my money's on the swedish zerg. I dont get this, why does so much of the german community dislike him?, his esl guestbook is kinda retarded with all the hate comments on it, so what if he is or was bm to some players, he didnt bm you personally Show nested quote +On March 05 2011 04:40 Daimai wrote:
Yeah, what did Naniwa do? There seems to be a lot of hate towards Lalush and Naniwa from what I have seen... Simply put, Naniwa has been a douche for pretty much all of his career until he "promised to better himself" at the end of 2010 (i.e. it's only been a few months). This started in War3 and continued in SC2. Online and in tournaments, he was arrogant, cocky and BM, exploiting his position as a known player to forfeit/delay matches without any consequences, and being a condescending prick in general. There are so many stories of players and tournament admins having some kind of issue with him or his behaviour that it's not even funny. Then there's his personal life. He basically threw school to play War3. He got thrown out by his parents because they wanted him to make something out of his life (that's when he was 15, mind you) and all he did was gaming, ignoring their wishes/requests. Despite all this, the guy still received support. Sponsors still enabled him to continue playing and thus encouraged his behaviour - it worked, after all. Fast forward a bit and he plays SC2, has a sponsored appartment in Germany to play in the EPS ... and manages to screw that up by completely ignoring the rules and collecting more penalty points than humanly possible. Something no other pro gamer has ever managed to do. League kicks him, he loses his sponsorship, his appartment and his clan kicks him. But instead of trying to do some concession and at least leaving on good terms with everyone, he basically vanishes, doesn't even tell his roommate (ClouD) he's gone and - surprise! - once again gets a sponsorship and is paid to play games once he's back home. And at the end of all this in late 2010, he promises to "change". He says his BM days are over and acts as if all this was a thing of his distant, teenage past, when the last cases of him being a rude, unprofessional person happened mere weeks before that statement. TL;DR: Naniwa has screwed his education, the relationship to his parents, several memberships in sponsored clans, even sponsored appartments and friendships because of gaming and lacking social skills. This guy is the stereotypical addicted gamer oblivious to his sorroundings who doesn't need support with what he's doing, but professional help. Sadly, he's skilled enough at SC2 to make it pay for him. If he actually manages to mature and improve himself I'll be genuinely impressed. But he'll have to keep a professional attitude for a really long time (read: years) before I believe he's changed. He has so many years of bad behaviour to make up for. And that is why I want him to lose every single game he plays. Because he's the worst representative possible for Esports. Sorry for the long text, but I really dislike this guy.
Not sure whether you're a stalker or just an ass, but who the hell are you to pass judgement on someones life?
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+ Show Spoiler +On March 05 2011 18:53 Shockk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2011 03:40 shaunnn wrote:On March 04 2011 06:11 Shockk wrote:
Hoping for Morrow, since I like his playstyle. And of course I don't want to miss a single opportunity to see Naniwa losing. Despite Naniwa's unfortunate skill at the game, my money's on the swedish zerg. I dont get this, why does so much of the german community dislike him?, his esl guestbook is kinda retarded with all the hate comments on it, so what if he is or was bm to some players, he didnt bm you personally Show nested quote +On March 05 2011 04:40 Daimai wrote:
Yeah, what did Naniwa do? There seems to be a lot of hate towards Lalush and Naniwa from what I have seen... Simply put, Naniwa has been a douche for pretty much all of his career until he "promised to better himself" at the end of 2010 (i.e. it's only been a few months). This started in War3 and continued in SC2. Online and in tournaments, he was arrogant, cocky and BM, exploiting his position as a known player to forfeit/delay matches without any consequences, and being a condescending prick in general. There are so many stories of players and tournament admins having some kind of issue with him or his behaviour that it's not even funny. Then there's his personal life. He basically threw school to play War3. He got thrown out by his parents because they wanted him to make something out of his life (that's when he was 15, mind you) and all he did was gaming, ignoring their wishes/requests. Despite all this, the guy still received support. Sponsors still enabled him to continue playing and thus encouraged his behaviour - it worked, after all. Fast forward a bit and he plays SC2, has a sponsored appartment in Germany to play in the EPS ... and manages to screw that up by completely ignoring the rules and collecting more penalty points than humanly possible. Something no other pro gamer has ever managed to do. League kicks him, he loses his sponsorship, his appartment and his clan kicks him. But instead of trying to do some concession and at least leaving on good terms with everyone, he basically vanishes, doesn't even tell his roommate (ClouD) he's gone and - surprise! - once again gets a sponsorship and is paid to play games once he's back home. And at the end of all this in late 2010, he promises to "change". He says his BM days are over and acts as if all this was a thing of his distant, teenage past, when the last cases of him being a rude, unprofessional person happened mere weeks before that statement. TL;DR: Naniwa has screwed his education, the relationship to his parents, several memberships in sponsored clans, even sponsored appartments and friendships because of gaming and lacking social skills. This guy is the stereotypical addicted gamer oblivious to his sorroundings who doesn't need support with what he's doing, but professional help. Sadly, he's skilled enough at SC2 to make it pay for him. If he actually manages to mature and improve himself I'll be genuinely impressed. But he'll have to keep a professional attitude for a really long time (read: years) before I believe he's changed. He has so many years of bad behaviour to make up for. And that is why I want him to lose every single game he plays. Because he's the worst representative possible for Esports. Sorry for the long text, but I really dislike this guy.
You probably could have written this post without making you look like an ass yourself.
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On March 05 2011 18:53 Shockk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2011 03:40 shaunnn wrote:On March 04 2011 06:11 Shockk wrote:
Hoping for Morrow, since I like his playstyle. And of course I don't want to miss a single opportunity to see Naniwa losing. Despite Naniwa's unfortunate skill at the game, my money's on the swedish zerg. I dont get this, why does so much of the german community dislike him?, his esl guestbook is kinda retarded with all the hate comments on it, so what if he is or was bm to some players, he didnt bm you personally Show nested quote +On March 05 2011 04:40 Daimai wrote:
Yeah, what did Naniwa do? There seems to be a lot of hate towards Lalush and Naniwa from what I have seen... Simply put, Naniwa has been a douche for pretty much all of his career until he "promised to better himself" at the end of 2010 (i.e. it's only been a few months). This started in War3 and continued in SC2. Online and in tournaments, he was arrogant, cocky and BM, exploiting his position as a known player to forfeit/delay matches without any consequences, and being a condescending prick in general. There are so many stories of players and tournament admins having some kind of issue with him or his behaviour that it's not even funny. Then there's his personal life. He basically threw school to play War3. He got thrown out by his parents because they wanted him to make something out of his life (that's when he was 15, mind you) and all he did was gaming, ignoring their wishes/requests. Despite all this, the guy still received support. Sponsors still enabled him to continue playing and thus encouraged his behaviour - it worked, after all. Fast forward a bit and he plays SC2, has a sponsored appartment in Germany to play in the EPS ... and manages to screw that up by completely ignoring the rules and collecting more penalty points than humanly possible. Something no other pro gamer has ever managed to do. League kicks him, he loses his sponsorship, his appartment and his clan kicks him. But instead of trying to do some concession and at least leaving on good terms with everyone, he basically vanishes, doesn't even tell his roommate (ClouD) he's gone and - surprise! - once again gets a sponsorship and is paid to play games once he's back home. And at the end of all this in late 2010, he promises to "change". He says his BM days are over and acts as if all this was a thing of his distant, teenage past, when the last cases of him being a rude, unprofessional person happened mere weeks before that statement. TL;DR: Naniwa has screwed his education, the relationship to his parents, several memberships in sponsored clans, even sponsored appartments and friendships because of gaming and lacking social skills. This guy is the stereotypical addicted gamer oblivious to his sorroundings who doesn't need support with what he's doing, but professional help. Sadly, he's skilled enough at SC2 to make it pay for him. If he actually manages to mature and improve himself I'll be genuinely impressed. But he'll have to keep a professional attitude for a really long time (read: years) before I believe he's changed. He has so many years of bad behaviour to make up for. And that is why I want him to lose every single game he plays. Because he's the worst representative possible for Esports. Sorry for the long text, but I really dislike this guy.
Even though having a mysterious and dark background doesn't escuse his behavior, he obviously had to handle some very tough situations that no child of his age should have been forced to handle.
Contrary to a spoiled kid whose name starts with an I, his mentality and bad-mannerism is understandable, though not escusable ofc.
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On March 06 2011 06:49 m0ck wrote:
Not sure whether you're a stalker or just an ass, but who the hell are you to pass judgement on someones life?
Posters oblivious to Naniwa's past asked about why he was disliked, I answered that question (from my perspective) and delivered some background. This has nothing to do with stalking, a quick Google/TL search will give you all that info. And I'm not judging anything; I just care about people cheering for players that had/have a negative influence on the community.
If you think that makes me an "ass", alright, go ahead. I firmly believe that the last thing our still relatively young and niche gaming/esports community needs is representatives like him (or other players infamous for BM and/or immature behavior). Gamers still have to struggle for acceptance and fight against cliches; such players don't add "drama" or "entertainment" but just make all gamers look like the immature and erratic slackers they're often portrayed as by popular media.
I just wanted to make my point - and I think I did - but this is an issue I easily get worked up about (as you might have noticed). I don't wish to derail this thread any further, however; not everyone will share my point of view and many people will just want to enjoy the matches. So once again best of luck to Morrow, and a good time to everyone watching (regardless of who they're cheering for).
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Considering the map pool and if they us the MLG maps, I feel like this could easily go in Morrow's favor. Due to the changes on Meta he could probably go for more macro oriented play from the start. AKA Hatch before pool. Definitely going to be some decent length games, and I think Morrow has the better mechanics which is going to help a lot. Definitely looking forward to this.
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gg gl morrow, too bad people care more about talking smack than being hyped for hopefully some good games. ))
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GL MorroW, hopefully Nani hasn't figured out that FFE will win against Z every time ^.^
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GL to both players! and no BMing Nani! earn my 100 euros with some good games!!! XDDDD
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On March 06 2011 06:49 m0ck wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2011 18:53 Shockk wrote:On March 05 2011 03:40 shaunnn wrote:On March 04 2011 06:11 Shockk wrote:
Hoping for Morrow, since I like his playstyle. And of course I don't want to miss a single opportunity to see Naniwa losing. Despite Naniwa's unfortunate skill at the game, my money's on the swedish zerg. I dont get this, why does so much of the german community dislike him?, his esl guestbook is kinda retarded with all the hate comments on it, so what if he is or was bm to some players, he didnt bm you personally On March 05 2011 04:40 Daimai wrote:
Yeah, what did Naniwa do? There seems to be a lot of hate towards Lalush and Naniwa from what I have seen... Simply put, Naniwa has been a douche for pretty much all of his career until he "promised to better himself" at the end of 2010 (i.e. it's only been a few months). This started in War3 and continued in SC2. Online and in tournaments, he was arrogant, cocky and BM, exploiting his position as a known player to forfeit/delay matches without any consequences, and being a condescending prick in general. There are so many stories of players and tournament admins having some kind of issue with him or his behaviour that it's not even funny. Then there's his personal life. He basically threw school to play War3. He got thrown out by his parents because they wanted him to make something out of his life (that's when he was 15, mind you) and all he did was gaming, ignoring their wishes/requests. Despite all this, the guy still received support. Sponsors still enabled him to continue playing and thus encouraged his behaviour - it worked, after all. Fast forward a bit and he plays SC2, has a sponsored appartment in Germany to play in the EPS ... and manages to screw that up by completely ignoring the rules and collecting more penalty points than humanly possible. Something no other pro gamer has ever managed to do. League kicks him, he loses his sponsorship, his appartment and his clan kicks him. But instead of trying to do some concession and at least leaving on good terms with everyone, he basically vanishes, doesn't even tell his roommate (ClouD) he's gone and - surprise! - once again gets a sponsorship and is paid to play games once he's back home. And at the end of all this in late 2010, he promises to "change". He says his BM days are over and acts as if all this was a thing of his distant, teenage past, when the last cases of him being a rude, unprofessional person happened mere weeks before that statement. TL;DR: Naniwa has screwed his education, the relationship to his parents, several memberships in sponsored clans, even sponsored appartments and friendships because of gaming and lacking social skills. This guy is the stereotypical addicted gamer oblivious to his sorroundings who doesn't need support with what he's doing, but professional help. Sadly, he's skilled enough at SC2 to make it pay for him. If he actually manages to mature and improve himself I'll be genuinely impressed. But he'll have to keep a professional attitude for a really long time (read: years) before I believe he's changed. He has so many years of bad behaviour to make up for. And that is why I want him to lose every single game he plays. Because he's the worst representative possible for Esports. Sorry for the long text, but I really dislike this guy. Not sure whether you're a stalker or just an ass, but who the hell are you to pass judgement on someones life?
an ass? are you fucking retarded? hes just stating truths about a player that deserves noones respect. Dont forget also, blizzard trusted him with advance patch notes so he could help with balancing, and he leaked them. I'll let that speak to his character.
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On March 06 2011 16:55 TheAntZ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2011 06:49 m0ck wrote:On March 05 2011 18:53 Shockk wrote:On March 05 2011 03:40 shaunnn wrote:On March 04 2011 06:11 Shockk wrote:
Hoping for Morrow, since I like his playstyle. And of course I don't want to miss a single opportunity to see Naniwa losing. Despite Naniwa's unfortunate skill at the game, my money's on the swedish zerg. I dont get this, why does so much of the german community dislike him?, his esl guestbook is kinda retarded with all the hate comments on it, so what if he is or was bm to some players, he didnt bm you personally On March 05 2011 04:40 Daimai wrote:
Yeah, what did Naniwa do? There seems to be a lot of hate towards Lalush and Naniwa from what I have seen... Simply put, Naniwa has been a douche for pretty much all of his career until he "promised to better himself" at the end of 2010 (i.e. it's only been a few months). This started in War3 and continued in SC2. Online and in tournaments, he was arrogant, cocky and BM, exploiting his position as a known player to forfeit/delay matches without any consequences, and being a condescending prick in general. There are so many stories of players and tournament admins having some kind of issue with him or his behaviour that it's not even funny. Then there's his personal life. He basically threw school to play War3. He got thrown out by his parents because they wanted him to make something out of his life (that's when he was 15, mind you) and all he did was gaming, ignoring their wishes/requests. Despite all this, the guy still received support. Sponsors still enabled him to continue playing and thus encouraged his behaviour - it worked, after all. Fast forward a bit and he plays SC2, has a sponsored appartment in Germany to play in the EPS ... and manages to screw that up by completely ignoring the rules and collecting more penalty points than humanly possible. Something no other pro gamer has ever managed to do. League kicks him, he loses his sponsorship, his appartment and his clan kicks him. But instead of trying to do some concession and at least leaving on good terms with everyone, he basically vanishes, doesn't even tell his roommate (ClouD) he's gone and - surprise! - once again gets a sponsorship and is paid to play games once he's back home. And at the end of all this in late 2010, he promises to "change". He says his BM days are over and acts as if all this was a thing of his distant, teenage past, when the last cases of him being a rude, unprofessional person happened mere weeks before that statement. TL;DR: Naniwa has screwed his education, the relationship to his parents, several memberships in sponsored clans, even sponsored appartments and friendships because of gaming and lacking social skills. This guy is the stereotypical addicted gamer oblivious to his sorroundings who doesn't need support with what he's doing, but professional help. Sadly, he's skilled enough at SC2 to make it pay for him. If he actually manages to mature and improve himself I'll be genuinely impressed. But he'll have to keep a professional attitude for a really long time (read: years) before I believe he's changed. He has so many years of bad behaviour to make up for. And that is why I want him to lose every single game he plays. Because he's the worst representative possible for Esports. Sorry for the long text, but I really dislike this guy. Not sure whether you're a stalker or just an ass, but who the hell are you to pass judgement on someones life? an ass? are you fucking retarded? hes just stating truths about a player that deserves noones respect. Dont forget also, blizzard trusted him with advance patch notes so he could help with balancing, and he leaked them. I'll let that speak to his character.
Who the fuck are you two to pass judgement on Naniwa? Talking about why he was thrown out by his parents, what he has to do "to make up" for it and apparent this guys think he knows exactly why this has happened. He came off as a major douche as so are you calling someone retarded. No one is saying he is a saint or that you have to like him, but come on...
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On March 06 2011 17:34 nam nam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2011 16:55 TheAntZ wrote:On March 06 2011 06:49 m0ck wrote:On March 05 2011 18:53 Shockk wrote:On March 05 2011 03:40 shaunnn wrote:On March 04 2011 06:11 Shockk wrote:
Hoping for Morrow, since I like his playstyle. And of course I don't want to miss a single opportunity to see Naniwa losing. Despite Naniwa's unfortunate skill at the game, my money's on the swedish zerg. I dont get this, why does so much of the german community dislike him?, his esl guestbook is kinda retarded with all the hate comments on it, so what if he is or was bm to some players, he didnt bm you personally On March 05 2011 04:40 Daimai wrote:
Yeah, what did Naniwa do? There seems to be a lot of hate towards Lalush and Naniwa from what I have seen... Simply put, Naniwa has been a douche for pretty much all of his career until he "promised to better himself" at the end of 2010 (i.e. it's only been a few months). This started in War3 and continued in SC2. Online and in tournaments, he was arrogant, cocky and BM, exploiting his position as a known player to forfeit/delay matches without any consequences, and being a condescending prick in general. There are so many stories of players and tournament admins having some kind of issue with him or his behaviour that it's not even funny. Then there's his personal life. He basically threw school to play War3. He got thrown out by his parents because they wanted him to make something out of his life (that's when he was 15, mind you) and all he did was gaming, ignoring their wishes/requests. Despite all this, the guy still received support. Sponsors still enabled him to continue playing and thus encouraged his behaviour - it worked, after all. Fast forward a bit and he plays SC2, has a sponsored appartment in Germany to play in the EPS ... and manages to screw that up by completely ignoring the rules and collecting more penalty points than humanly possible. Something no other pro gamer has ever managed to do. League kicks him, he loses his sponsorship, his appartment and his clan kicks him. But instead of trying to do some concession and at least leaving on good terms with everyone, he basically vanishes, doesn't even tell his roommate (ClouD) he's gone and - surprise! - once again gets a sponsorship and is paid to play games once he's back home. And at the end of all this in late 2010, he promises to "change". He says his BM days are over and acts as if all this was a thing of his distant, teenage past, when the last cases of him being a rude, unprofessional person happened mere weeks before that statement. TL;DR: Naniwa has screwed his education, the relationship to his parents, several memberships in sponsored clans, even sponsored appartments and friendships because of gaming and lacking social skills. This guy is the stereotypical addicted gamer oblivious to his sorroundings who doesn't need support with what he's doing, but professional help. Sadly, he's skilled enough at SC2 to make it pay for him. If he actually manages to mature and improve himself I'll be genuinely impressed. But he'll have to keep a professional attitude for a really long time (read: years) before I believe he's changed. He has so many years of bad behaviour to make up for. And that is why I want him to lose every single game he plays. Because he's the worst representative possible for Esports. Sorry for the long text, but I really dislike this guy. Not sure whether you're a stalker or just an ass, but who the hell are you to pass judgement on someones life? an ass? are you fucking retarded? hes just stating truths about a player that deserves noones respect. Dont forget also, blizzard trusted him with advance patch notes so he could help with balancing, and he leaked them. I'll let that speak to his character. Who the fuck are you two to pass judgement on Naniwa? Talking about why he was thrown out by his parents, what he has to do "to make up" for it and apparent this guys think he knows exactly why this has happened. He came off as a major douche as so are you calling someone retarded. No one is saying he is a saint or that you have to like him, but come on...
i think its funny how seriously someone takes this kind of things :DD
guy makes a personal grudge against someone who he has probably never even written to himself haha, talk about "mature" :p
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Child prodigy...
Same thing happened to Michael Jackson. Look how that turned out...
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On March 06 2011 17:34 nam nam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2011 16:55 TheAntZ wrote:On March 06 2011 06:49 m0ck wrote:On March 05 2011 18:53 Shockk wrote:On March 05 2011 03:40 shaunnn wrote:On March 04 2011 06:11 Shockk wrote:
Hoping for Morrow, since I like his playstyle. And of course I don't want to miss a single opportunity to see Naniwa losing. Despite Naniwa's unfortunate skill at the game, my money's on the swedish zerg. I dont get this, why does so much of the german community dislike him?, his esl guestbook is kinda retarded with all the hate comments on it, so what if he is or was bm to some players, he didnt bm you personally On March 05 2011 04:40 Daimai wrote:
Yeah, what did Naniwa do? There seems to be a lot of hate towards Lalush and Naniwa from what I have seen... Simply put, Naniwa has been a douche for pretty much all of his career until he "promised to better himself" at the end of 2010 (i.e. it's only been a few months). This started in War3 and continued in SC2. Online and in tournaments, he was arrogant, cocky and BM, exploiting his position as a known player to forfeit/delay matches without any consequences, and being a condescending prick in general. There are so many stories of players and tournament admins having some kind of issue with him or his behaviour that it's not even funny. Then there's his personal life. He basically threw school to play War3. He got thrown out by his parents because they wanted him to make something out of his life (that's when he was 15, mind you) and all he did was gaming, ignoring their wishes/requests. Despite all this, the guy still received support. Sponsors still enabled him to continue playing and thus encouraged his behaviour - it worked, after all. Fast forward a bit and he plays SC2, has a sponsored appartment in Germany to play in the EPS ... and manages to screw that up by completely ignoring the rules and collecting more penalty points than humanly possible. Something no other pro gamer has ever managed to do. League kicks him, he loses his sponsorship, his appartment and his clan kicks him. But instead of trying to do some concession and at least leaving on good terms with everyone, he basically vanishes, doesn't even tell his roommate (ClouD) he's gone and - surprise! - once again gets a sponsorship and is paid to play games once he's back home. And at the end of all this in late 2010, he promises to "change". He says his BM days are over and acts as if all this was a thing of his distant, teenage past, when the last cases of him being a rude, unprofessional person happened mere weeks before that statement. TL;DR: Naniwa has screwed his education, the relationship to his parents, several memberships in sponsored clans, even sponsored appartments and friendships because of gaming and lacking social skills. This guy is the stereotypical addicted gamer oblivious to his sorroundings who doesn't need support with what he's doing, but professional help. Sadly, he's skilled enough at SC2 to make it pay for him. If he actually manages to mature and improve himself I'll be genuinely impressed. But he'll have to keep a professional attitude for a really long time (read: years) before I believe he's changed. He has so many years of bad behaviour to make up for. And that is why I want him to lose every single game he plays. Because he's the worst representative possible for Esports. Sorry for the long text, but I really dislike this guy. Not sure whether you're a stalker or just an ass, but who the hell are you to pass judgement on someones life? an ass? are you fucking retarded? hes just stating truths about a player that deserves noones respect. Dont forget also, blizzard trusted him with advance patch notes so he could help with balancing, and he leaked them. I'll let that speak to his character. Who the fuck are you two to pass judgement on Naniwa? Talking about why he was thrown out by his parents, what he has to do "to make up" for it and apparent this guys think he knows exactly why this has happened. He came off as a major douche as so are you calling someone retarded. No one is saying he is a saint or that you have to like him, but come on...
ok, calling him retarded was over the top, but I stand by my point. Why the hell would he call shockk an ass simply for laying down the facts? And what do you mean who the fuck are we to pass judgement? uh...people who actually see that hes being a douche all over the place? You can keep defending him all you want, but looking at the list of shit hes stirred up you cant deny he is NOT a respectable member of this community.
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On March 06 2011 09:58 Shockk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2011 06:49 m0ck wrote:
Not sure whether you're a stalker or just an ass, but who the hell are you to pass judgement on someones life? Posters oblivious to Naniwa's past asked about why he was disliked, I answered that question (from my perspective) and delivered some background. This has nothing to do with stalking, a quick Google/TL search will give you all that info. And I'm not judging anything; I just care about people cheering for players that had/have a negative influence on the community. If you think that makes me an "ass", alright, go ahead. I firmly believe that the last thing our still relatively young and niche gaming/esports community needs is representatives like him (or other players infamous for BM and/or immature behavior). Gamers still have to struggle for acceptance and fight against cliches; such players don't add "drama" or "entertainment" but just make all gamers look like the immature and erratic slackers they're often portrayed as by popular media. I just wanted to make my point - and I think I did - but this is an issue I easily get worked up about (as you might have noticed). I don't wish to derail this thread any further, however; not everyone will share my point of view and many people will just want to enjoy the matches. So once again best of luck to Morrow, and a good time to everyone watching (regardless of who they're cheering for).
I don't know exactly what Naniwa has done in the past and frankly I don't give a shit. I do however react when people like you trash talk someone for other things than game related. Sure, keep on bitching about his BM in game, but when you start to talk about how he was thrown out by his parents because of reasons you think you know, you just simply crossed the line. Some player integrity should be kept and in my humble opinion you shouldn't be allowed to post that slanderous shit.
On topic: Morrow fighting!! would really like to see you take this one!
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Man I just wish people knew how to discuss the actual game instead of insulting each other and players.
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Looking forward to this matches. Naniwa doesn't look unbeatable anymore like he was one or two month ago, but he is still one of the best foreigner protoss players. I think it will be 3-2 for Naniwa.
(the German community doesn't dislike Naniwa, there is a small (and vocal) part of the community who hates everyone, just ignore them and it's fine)
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Morrow has great ZvP, I think it's going to be 4-1 or 4-2 in morrow's favour on these maps.
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will you release replays?
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Leave alone Nani, this is not a social - lets talk about a persons life thread, this is a gaming thread, and Naniwa is a realy good player.
I hope this will be a 3-2 for Nani.
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On March 04 2011 06:08 10or10 wrote:NaNiwa has 11 on Morrows 4 in their matches so far (but that includes morrows time as T) MorroW has 52% vs P. NaNiwa has 69% vs Z. Battle of Sweden seem to be in the toss' favor.
That's not shocking news mate, if u consider PvZ is ultra hard for Z.. Even korean Ts and Ps agree on that fact..
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funny how people predict 3-2 in bo7 :D
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On March 05 2011 18:53 Shockk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2011 03:40 shaunnn wrote:On March 04 2011 06:11 Shockk wrote:
Hoping for Morrow, since I like his playstyle. And of course I don't want to miss a single opportunity to see Naniwa losing. Despite Naniwa's unfortunate skill at the game, my money's on the swedish zerg. I dont get this, why does so much of the german community dislike him?, his esl guestbook is kinda retarded with all the hate comments on it, so what if he is or was bm to some players, he didnt bm you personally Show nested quote +On March 05 2011 04:40 Daimai wrote:
Yeah, what did Naniwa do? There seems to be a lot of hate towards Lalush and Naniwa from what I have seen... Simply put, Naniwa has been a douche for pretty much all of his career until he "promised to better himself" at the end of 2010 (i.e. it's only been a few months). This started in War3 and continued in SC2. Online and in tournaments, he was arrogant, cocky and BM, exploiting his position as a known player to forfeit/delay matches without any consequences, and being a condescending prick in general. There are so many stories of players and tournament admins having some kind of issue with him or his behaviour that it's not even funny. Then there's his personal life. He basically threw school to play War3. He got thrown out by his parents because they wanted him to make something out of his life (that's when he was 15, mind you) and all he did was gaming, ignoring their wishes/requests. Despite all this, the guy still received support. Sponsors still enabled him to continue playing and thus encouraged his behaviour - it worked, after all. Fast forward a bit and he plays SC2, has a sponsored appartment in Germany to play in the EPS ... and manages to screw that up by completely ignoring the rules and collecting more penalty points than humanly possible. Something no other pro gamer has ever managed to do. League kicks him, he loses his sponsorship, his appartment and his clan kicks him. But instead of trying to do some concession and at least leaving on good terms with everyone, he basically vanishes, doesn't even tell his roommate (ClouD) he's gone and - surprise! - once again gets a sponsorship and is paid to play games once he's back home. And at the end of all this in late 2010, he promises to "change". He says his BM days are over and acts as if all this was a thing of his distant, teenage past, when the last cases of him being a rude, unprofessional person happened mere weeks before that statement. TL;DR: Naniwa has screwed his education, the relationship to his parents, several memberships in sponsored clans, even sponsored appartments and friendships because of gaming and lacking social skills. This guy is the stereotypical addicted gamer oblivious to his sorroundings who doesn't need support with what he's doing, but professional help. Sadly, he's skilled enough at SC2 to make it pay for him. If he actually manages to mature and improve himself I'll be genuinely impressed. But he'll have to keep a professional attitude for a really long time (read: years) before I believe he's changed. He has so many years of bad behaviour to make up for. And that is why I want him to lose every single game he plays. Because he's the worst representative possible for Esports. Sorry for the long text, but I really dislike this guy.
Thank you very much for this post. I see people are getting upset by facts but I appreciate the time you took to give us some background.
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I do enjoy watching PvZ match-ups
I'm a Protoss, but I'm rooting for Morrow because I like him better as a person and I like his playstyles. I haven't watched enough of Naniwa to be a fan.
That being said, I think Naniwa will win 4-2.
Will there be VODs posted in the OP? I won't be able to watch the games
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On March 08 2011 04:36 drooL wrote:
banner is fixd now.
Thanks :D
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awesome players and an awesome map pool, looking forward to it!
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Even nani's face is bm haha. Skilled player though, hope he turns it around.
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Around 24 hours until the show match is live! Can't wait!
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Looking forward to this match, should be epic.
Thanks Douglas for making it happen!
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should be a great match
morrow and nani are both beasts.
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aw yeah, get hyped! cast will be provided by eleine sun and me, admin/ref stuff will be handled by sheek.
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If I ever come into some extra money, I swear I'll use it to get a showmatch involving Jinro going.
Also, hyped as can be!
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On March 10 2011 10:51 Joestar wrote:
If I ever come into some extra money, I swear I'll use it to get a showmatch involving Jinro going.
Also, hyped as can be!
<3 i guess it won't require 1500$ :p
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morrow 4-2
because i dislike nani
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nani 4-2 morrow
because when he plays a fuck ton of ladder (rank 2-3 in the world now) he becomes a beast with awesome builds
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Around 12 hours to go! Can't wait to watch this awesome show match!
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On March 06 2011 14:13 mierin wrote:
GL MorroW, hopefully Nani hasn't figured out that FFE will win against Z every time ^.^
Pretty sure both IEM and GSL make this statement look beyond ridiculous whining.
Anyway good luck to Morrow, my favourite foreign Zerg!
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The reason its going to be a 3-2 Morrow wins is because Nanima will ragequit leave like he did when they did the US vs EU tournament. Except this time he can't say US players suck. I'm sorry but as a tournament organizer he has stiffed us x2 and even stiffed a then current teammate in the process so I have no sympathy for the kid we gave him a shot when nobody else would and he threw it back in our face. End of story.
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+ Show Spoiler +funny how people predict 3-2 in bo7 :D
sry drooL  you are right, 4-2 then 
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Hoping for an epic 4-3 series.
I have my money on MorroW.
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Not sure I like the "no map repetition" rule in a BO7 with a grand total of 7 maps in the map pool. Kinda lowers the importance of loser's pick.
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hm morrow lost to insolence in a bo3 (go4sc2) 10 minutes ago so maybe some chances for nani=)
gl nani (anyways)
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I want to see Naniwa's PvZ for TSL related reasons.
Looking forward to this.
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Looking foward to this.
4-3 series in favor of MorroW is my bet.
Hype hype!
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Go go MorroW!! Really hyped for this showmatch! Two great swedish players duking it out in a bo7 what's not to like?!
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On March 11 2011 02:07 KiWiKaKi wrote:
gogo morrow
We need moar Kiwikaki vs MorroW! Those SCRI games are epic.
MorroW hwaiting! Love to see his ZvP.
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Is it just me or is justin.tv really unstable?
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Morrow's creep is stopping Nani's third base. Brilliant.
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On March 11 2011 04:16 Amestir wrote:
Is it just me or is justin.tv really unstable?
Yeah. Stream keeps lagging and/or dying for me :/.
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so the new thing against protoss now is baneling drops which have been use in GSL
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On March 11 2011 04:19 Shockk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 04:16 Amestir wrote:
Is it just me or is justin.tv really unstable? Yeah. Stream keeps lagging and/or dying for me :/.
not really for me, try lowering the quality
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Lower the Streamquality.
No lag for me.
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On March 11 2011 04:19 DarkRise wrote:
so the new thing against protoss now is baneling drops which have been use in GSL
Not against stalkers. They can move faster than overlords. It was a huge waste in that engagement. But morrow could have rolled banelings in and still won; he was ridiculously ahead, making thirty roaches after every engagement and mining with 70 drones while Naniwa was almost mined out.
It can work against sentry balls, but Morrow already killed all those when Naniwa moved out (probably cost Nani the game).
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loool, i login and wonder why the hell i hear everything but only see the overlay...obv started cursing justin.tv TT
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It's really sad that so many european macro games are so incredibly boring compared to what we're used from the GSL. Code S RO8 San vs. SC was so much more entertaining than these games, despite the skill shown by both EU players.
Except for some nice tricks - like moving the burrowed roaches under forcefields - we're basically seeing "macro up, fight deathball with 300 food push (or vice versa) and see who wins". Koreans make macro games look so much better.
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Sigh*....
Blizzard, could you PLEASE just make it so we can watch replays together like in BW? PLEASE!?
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On March 11 2011 04:46 Shockk wrote:
It's really sad that so many european macro games are so incredibly boring compared to what we're used from the GSL. Code S RO8 San vs. SC was so much more entertaining than these games, despite the skill shown by both EU players.
Except for some nice tricks - like moving the burrowed roaches under forcefields - we're basically seeing "macro up, fight deathball with 300 food push (or vice versa) and see who wins". Koreans make macro games look so much better.
There was constant pressure, I loved that game. Much better than a large majority of the Korean games I see.
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This female commentator is actually quite good i am very impressed at her knowledge and voice
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On March 11 2011 04:46 Kimaker wrote:
Sigh*....
Blizzard, could you PLEASE just make it so we can watch replays together like in BW? PLEASE!?
Huh ?
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On March 11 2011 04:48 Gigaudas wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 04:46 Shockk wrote:
It's really sad that so many european macro games are so incredibly boring compared to what we're used from the GSL. Code S RO8 San vs. SC was so much more entertaining than these games, despite the skill shown by both EU players.
Except for some nice tricks - like moving the burrowed roaches under forcefields - we're basically seeing "macro up, fight deathball with 300 food push (or vice versa) and see who wins". Koreans make macro games look so much better. There was constant pressure, I loved that game. Much better than a large majority of the Korean games I see.
You're right, of course. Not every single korean game is exciting; there are boring ones as well and the San/SC series was exceptional even for GSL standards.
However, I think my point still stands (could have chosen a more "normal example, though). Many of the macro games shown in the GSL, both in Code A and Code S, look much better than the average EU "high level play".
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That's what I thought too: at one point in that game you just saw two maxed out armies standing next to eachother, doing nothing. No mutalisk/warp prism harass, no zergling run-by's, no action at all really. Just two balls occasionally attacking eachother.
I think it has to do with the ZvP style of Morrow though, since he likes playing ultra defensive with roach/hydra.
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Well, this is PvZ, this matchup is just like that in the current state and it is nothing different in Korea. PvT is way more harass based on all servers.
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Nani seems really good at handling baneling drops. I think morrow needs to go a different path
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On March 11 2011 04:49 BritishBeef wrote:
This female commentator is actually quite good i am very impressed at her knowledge and voice
Yeah doing good map analysis ATM
Gooooo Nani
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Nvm seen the scoreboard
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On March 11 2011 04:49 TeWy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 04:46 Kimaker wrote:
Sigh*....
Blizzard, could you PLEASE just make it so we can watch replays together like in BW? PLEASE!?
Huh ?
It's just like he said, BW lets people load up a replay together and watch it together.
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100 food difference and Morrow still can't end it.
Edit: Until Nani finally moves out.
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On March 11 2011 05:24 Dragar wrote:
100 food difference and Morrow still can't end it.
Nani wins fights he shouldnt (c) Artosis
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On March 11 2011 05:24 Dragar wrote:
100 food difference and Morrow still can't end it.
Edit: Until Nani finally moves out.
Actually Morrow could have ended it, but just didnt choose to do so. He played it safe and kept Nani on 2 bases until he had to move out.
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On March 11 2011 04:51 Shockk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 04:48 Gigaudas wrote:On March 11 2011 04:46 Shockk wrote:
It's really sad that so many european macro games are so incredibly boring compared to what we're used from the GSL. Code S RO8 San vs. SC was so much more entertaining than these games, despite the skill shown by both EU players.
Except for some nice tricks - like moving the burrowed roaches under forcefields - we're basically seeing "macro up, fight deathball with 300 food push (or vice versa) and see who wins". Koreans make macro games look so much better. There was constant pressure, I loved that game. Much better than a large majority of the Korean games I see. You're right, of course. Not every single korean game is exciting; there are boring ones as well and the San/SC series was exceptional even for GSL standards. However, I think my point still stands (could have chosen a more "normal example, though). Many of the macro games shown in the GSL, both in Code A and Code S, look much better than the average EU "high level play".
Why does it have to be a competition? I've seen plenty of entertaining high level EU macro games just as I've seen a lot in the gsl. Do gsl have more of them? Who the fuck cares...
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Damn Nani, what a bad map to Forge FE on.
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On March 11 2011 05:34 GP wrote:
Damn Nani, what a bad map to Forge FE on.
Rofl worked out so well for him though, had 180 to 120 food
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yeah that was a crazy game :D
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On March 11 2011 05:42 shaunnn wrote:Rofl worked out so well for him though, had 180 to 120 food
Yeah, I was really surprised how far ahead Nani got after spending so much money on cannons and losing his forge and cybercore with warpgate research unfinished. I thought all Morrow had to do would be to macro up and he'd easily take it.
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Yes classic nani in the end<3 master of the 4gate:D
Will the replays be released?
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This was neat, huge thanks to the people that made it possible!
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Sad to see morrow lose. But there was some awesome play on both sides, though I'm always going to side with my Favorite ZvPer MorroW.
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On March 11 2011 05:52 GP wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 05:42 shaunnn wrote:On March 11 2011 05:34 GP wrote:
Damn Nani, what a bad map to Forge FE on. Rofl worked out so well for him though, had 180 to 120 food Yeah, I was really surprised how far ahead Nani got after spending so much money on cannons and losing his forge and cybercore with warpgate research unfinished. I thought all Morrow had to do would be to macro up and he'd easily take it.
Nah even though he spend alot on cannons and stuff Morrow didn't have his expo up and was down half workers he had like 15 to 34 probes. I think he made a mistake going for cybercore/forge/etc instead of killing the 2 cannons and going for the kill. He let Nani get that many cannons up and hold it off.
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On March 04 2011 06:07 gaston116 wrote:
Nice! nAni will win this 4-2.
I told you.
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On March 11 2011 05:55 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 05:52 GP wrote:On March 11 2011 05:42 shaunnn wrote:On March 11 2011 05:34 GP wrote:
Damn Nani, what a bad map to Forge FE on. Rofl worked out so well for him though, had 180 to 120 food Yeah, I was really surprised how far ahead Nani got after spending so much money on cannons and losing his forge and cybercore with warpgate research unfinished. I thought all Morrow had to do would be to macro up and he'd easily take it. Nah even though he spend alot on cannons and stuff Morrow didn't have his expo up and was down half workers he had like 15 to 34 probes. I think he made a mistake going for cybercore/forge/etc instead of killing the 2 cannons and going for the kill. He let Nani get that many cannons up and hold it off.
It also doesn't help that canons are so freaking good in sc2.
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Just switched on to see i missed it but clicked on the stream and got the score thrown in my face lol
Was it a series of 4gates from Naniwa or something more interesting hehe?
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On March 11 2011 06:16 bkrow wrote:Just switched on to see i missed it but clicked on the stream and got the score thrown in my face lol Was it a series of 4gates from Naniwa or something more interesting hehe?
Mainly macro games, last game nani did a 4gate that looked exactly like a 3gate expand with pressure so morrow had like 5 roaches and 8 lings v 4 stalkers like 8 sentrys and 8 zealots
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On March 11 2011 06:16 bkrow wrote:Just switched on to see i missed it but clicked on the stream and got the score thrown in my face lol Was it a series of 4gates from Naniwa or something more interesting hehe?
+ Show Spoiler +pretty straight up macro games all through, and a very slick 4gate in game 6.
i could release the reps if the players are cool with it. will put them in the op.
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On March 11 2011 05:31 nam nam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 04:51 Shockk wrote:On March 11 2011 04:48 Gigaudas wrote:On March 11 2011 04:46 Shockk wrote:
It's really sad that so many european macro games are so incredibly boring compared to what we're used from the GSL. Code S RO8 San vs. SC was so much more entertaining than these games, despite the skill shown by both EU players.
Except for some nice tricks - like moving the burrowed roaches under forcefields - we're basically seeing "macro up, fight deathball with 300 food push (or vice versa) and see who wins". Koreans make macro games look so much better. There was constant pressure, I loved that game. Much better than a large majority of the Korean games I see. You're right, of course. Not every single korean game is exciting; there are boring ones as well and the San/SC series was exceptional even for GSL standards. However, I think my point still stands (could have chosen a more "normal example, though). Many of the macro games shown in the GSL, both in Code A and Code S, look much better than the average EU "high level play". Why does it have to be a competition? I've seen plenty of entertaining high level EU macro games just as I've seen a lot in the gsl. Do gsl have more of them? Who the fuck cares...
I think the problem in most of EU/US macro games is the passive play associated with it. I don't really know why, but KR players in general seem more active when playing a macro game. We almost never see 2 players just building stuff then have 1 clash then GG. Usually there are many small skirmishes, drops, etc, then a huge fight which many times ends in sort of a stalemate, and, if the map is large enough to support it, reinforcements arrive and new battles ensue.
EU macro seems to passive to me, in general.
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hopefully replays will be released :D
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Meh, kind of saw this coming. I can't say that I'm all too impressed by MorroW's efforts after the race-swtich, sure he is indeed a high-level player still, but as I said, I'm not all too impressed.
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yeah yeah... we want the replays
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yoyo, updated OP with VOD, results, and reps. hope you guys enjoy.
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On March 11 2011 10:21 drooL wrote:yoyo, updated OP with VOD, results, and reps. hope you guys enjoy.
ty<3, gonna steal all of nanis builds
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On March 11 2011 10:26 shaunnn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 10:21 drooL wrote:yoyo, updated OP with VOD, results, and reps. hope you guys enjoy. ty<3, gonna steal all of nanis builds
he didn't show any saving that for TSL obviously.
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On March 11 2011 10:38 drooL wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 10:26 shaunnn wrote:On March 11 2011 10:21 drooL wrote:yoyo, updated OP with VOD, results, and reps. hope you guys enjoy. ty<3, gonna steal all of nanis builds he didn't show any saving that for TSL obviously.
Well I wanna steal that 4gate build, the 1gas 4gate doesnt work in masters anymore v zerg
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On March 11 2011 10:43 shaunnn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 10:38 drooL wrote:On March 11 2011 10:26 shaunnn wrote:On March 11 2011 10:21 drooL wrote:yoyo, updated OP with VOD, results, and reps. hope you guys enjoy. ty<3, gonna steal all of nanis builds he didn't show any saving that for TSL obviously. Well I wanna steal that 4gate build, the 1gas 4gate doesnt work in masters anymore v zerg
yeah. check nanis timings on cybercore etc, he's very precise with them. helps a lot.
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Good games and good casters! Suprised naniwa won actually, but he played really solid
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On March 11 2011 10:54 fidelity wrote:Good games and good casters! Suprised naniwa won actually, but he played really solid
be thanked <3
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So Nani beat both Idra and Morrow in PvZ? I can't wait for TSL3 and Nani vs Ret! Maybe one of the best games of the first round
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