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fatalities
Profile Joined November 2010
United States91 Posts
February 08 2011 16:33 GMT
#2341
Can somebody explain who IMSeed is and what (builds) he did?
kmh
Profile Joined November 2010
Finland351 Posts
February 08 2011 16:39 GMT
#2342
On February 09 2011 01:23 Djagulingu wrote:
Does anyone know what is up with zerg players? TvP and mirrors started being stupidly boring. I am thanking the god for missing the games right now.

On February 09 2011 01:27 IPA wrote:
So many TvT. Where are my Zerg brothers?


It's quite simple - the coaches prefer to pick Code A or unqualified terrans/protosses to play instead of picking Code S zergs, because they think they have a better chance of winning games.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-08 16:40:16
February 08 2011 16:40 GMT
#2343
"Oh it's just a hidden expansion"
Not really - it's a cross-map expansion when he has TOTAL MAP CONTROL. Really clever! Even if terran wanted to push it, he'd get enough time for 2 rounds of warpgates to reinforce AND the terran has to worry about being counterattacked.
Irrelevant
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2364 Posts
February 08 2011 16:48 GMT
#2344
On February 09 2011 01:39 kmh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2011 01:23 Djagulingu wrote:
Does anyone know what is up with zerg players? TvP and mirrors started being stupidly boring. I am thanking the god for missing the games right now.

Show nested quote +
On February 09 2011 01:27 IPA wrote:
So many TvT. Where are my Zerg brothers?


It's quite simple - the coaches prefer to pick Code A or unqualified terrans/protosses to play instead of picking Code S zergs, because they think they have a better chance of winning games.


Name one code S zerg who's team didn't 4-0 or 4-1
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
February 08 2011 16:50 GMT
#2345
On February 09 2011 01:48 Irrelevant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2011 01:39 kmh wrote:
On February 09 2011 01:23 Djagulingu wrote:
Does anyone know what is up with zerg players? TvP and mirrors started being stupidly boring. I am thanking the god for missing the games right now.

On February 09 2011 01:27 IPA wrote:
So many TvT. Where are my Zerg brothers?


It's quite simple - the coaches prefer to pick Code A or unqualified terrans/protosses to play instead of picking Code S zergs, because they think they have a better chance of winning games.


Name one code S zerg who's team didn't 4-0 or 4-1


oGsZenio? Anyway that's besides the point. No one can say why there hasn't been zergs without going and actually asking the teams. This nonsense should stop.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
February 08 2011 16:54 GMT
#2346
check prime tried
they believe zergs UP again in korea atm
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Irrelevant
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2364 Posts
February 08 2011 16:56 GMT
#2347
Zenio has a sub 50% win ratio vs everything but Z. The real question was why they didn't send Nada and MC sooner.
BatCat
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Austria630 Posts
February 08 2011 17:05 GMT
#2348
I'm a Jjob fan now! Hope he does well in Code A, cause he is Code S material. Imagine the pressure he must have felt, unfortunately he choked in the last game, but it's understandable.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
February 08 2011 17:15 GMT
#2349
On February 09 2011 02:05 BatCat wrote:
I'm a Jjob fan now! Hope he does well in Code A, cause he is Code S material. Imagine the pressure he must have felt, unfortunately he choked in the last game, but it's understandable.


a reverse all kill would have been so awesome
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
beat farm
Profile Joined October 2010
United States478 Posts
February 08 2011 17:19 GMT
#2350
oGsMc vs IMmvp was rather disappointing.
Deapht
Profile Joined October 2010
101 Posts
February 08 2011 17:23 GMT
#2351
On February 09 2011 02:19 beat farm wrote:
oGsMc vs IMmvp was rather disappointing.


the level of play throughout the cast was pretty disappointing
beat farm
Profile Joined October 2010
United States478 Posts
February 08 2011 17:39 GMT
#2352
On February 09 2011 02:23 Deapht wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2011 02:19 beat farm wrote:
oGsMc vs IMmvp was rather disappointing.


the level of play throughout the cast was pretty disappointing

i went to bed after oGs vs IM
seed's games were quite enjoyable.
Ryze
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada234 Posts
February 08 2011 18:02 GMT
#2353
how come no one is playing zergs in these o.o
www.twitch.tv/colryze twitter.com/colryze acelessons.com/lessons/colryze/
Gescom
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada3510 Posts
February 08 2011 18:11 GMT
#2354
On February 09 2011 03:02 Ryze wrote:
how come no one is playing zergs in these o.o

Yeah, it's a bit alarming..
Jaedong Hyuk || Bisu Jangbi || Fantasy Flash
pieisamazing
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1234 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-08 18:15:11
February 08 2011 18:14 GMT
#2355
There's a disturbing lack of zergs here...

edit: and if I had just read the page, I'd see this was addressed already. -_-
connoisseur
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
February 08 2011 18:57 GMT
#2356
Thank god I didn't stay up to watch anymore. Nobody plays zergs in these anymore so guess i'm not staying up for these ever .

But still don't get why oGs kept putting up terrans and played MC last big mistake imo :/.
When I think of something else, something will go here
adrift
Profile Joined August 2010
192 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-08 19:05:33
February 08 2011 19:00 GMT
#2357
I want to talk about Seeds game on Metal. I don't think that was some crazy one base push he was planning like people are saying. Looked to me like he scouted the helion drop and went stargate. This is because the most common followup to that for TvP is a raven + banshee one base all-in. To prepare for this he went up to 4 gates + stargate.

He made a phoenix to prepare for the raven/banshee but when the phoenix went to his base he saw he had expanded instead of doing the all-in. Instead of trying to expand and be behind he started pumping void rays + immortals and went all-in himself. It worked because the T did a 1-1-1 opening (heavy tech) and then expanded without really pressuring at all.. had a lot of tech (blue flame, medivacs, ECT) but no units.

The only build we saw from Seed that I think was just straight all-in cheesy was the 4 gate in game 1. Nobody can blame the guy for the scrap game... your team is up 3-0 and your against MC on a map thats pretty difficult to stop proxy gates. Might as well go for it.

MVP vs MC was dissapointing but it happens. MC had a decent build but MVP was ready with the turret... I would have liked to see MC back off and expand instead of trying to bust once he saw the turret though. You know MVP is too solid to get caught with his macro behind or something and die to that.

Looking like IM vs TSL in the finals to me. Can anyone on TSL or ZeNEX actually beat mvp?
adrift
Profile Joined August 2010
192 Posts
February 08 2011 19:10 GMT
#2358
About the lack of zergs.. the first day both games were so one-sided that you can't judge much. Leenock wasn't available for fOu cus of school and ST obviously didn't need to send a zerg (squirtle all kill). Same deal with TSL.. no need for FD when Alive 3 kills them.

oGs can you blame them for not sending zerg against IM? sure Zenio is good but IM has the best TvZ player and the best ZvZ player..

Slayers and Zenex neither team has a "known" zerg player at all so yeah. no surprise there

I think we will see both Fruitdealer and July play in TSL/ST. Other game who knows.. Nestea definitely could play but its very possible that they don't need him to cus of MVP
Zim23
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1681 Posts
February 08 2011 19:46 GMT
#2359
I just watched these matches and I must say Jjob really impressed me, and a hell of a lot more than IMSeed did. When he double expanded against Byun I got all kinds of wiener boners. Looking forward to seeing him in Code A for sure.
Do an arranged marriage if she's not completely minging, and don't worry about dancing, get a go-kart, cheers.
sihyunie
Profile Joined June 2008
United States108 Posts
February 08 2011 19:58 GMT
#2360
On February 09 2011 04:10 adrift wrote:
About the lack of zergs.. the first day both games were so one-sided that you can't judge much. Leenock wasn't available for fOu cus of school and ST obviously didn't need to send a zerg (squirtle all kill). Same deal with TSL.. no need for FD when Alive 3 kills them.

oGs can you blame them for not sending zerg against IM? sure Zenio is good but IM has the best TvZ player and the best ZvZ player..

Slayers and Zenex neither team has a "known" zerg player at all so yeah. no surprise there

I think we will see both Fruitdealer and July play in TSL/ST. Other game who knows.. Nestea definitely could play but its very possible that they don't need him to cus of MVP


That's a good overall analysis. Although I agree with basically everything stated here, the fact of the matter is, everyone in Korea believes that zerg is too vulnerable. Sure there are strong players like NesTea and FD, but they still struggle against top terrans, and some even believe that ZvP is a worse match up than ZvT. Terran is by far the safest pick since they believe TvZ is very skewed in terran's favor and TvP is very winnable. Expect more TvT's and TvP's.
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