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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
January 19 2011 19:53 GMT
#4561
I've read all 228 pages in this thread and one thing I noticed is neither Jinro nor Naz ever confirmed whether the mule in game 3 was a manner mule or an accident. This is something i'm pretty curious about and if it was a manner mule i'm curious why it is warranted against somebody in the same boat as you, except he doesn't have all the awesome practice partners to work with and has to struggle more to do well?

If nothing is said about it we pretty much have to assume it wasn't an accident since that would be a pretty weird misclick (based on the keys I assume he uses different fingers for each).
smileyyy
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany1816 Posts
January 19 2011 19:55 GMT
#4562
On January 20 2011 04:49 Fyunar wrote:
Please 3:0 MKP in the Ro4 Jinro....you are way better than him!..JINRO FIGHTING

Na 3:2 is fine too. I would like too see some sick back and forth games with lots of drama and tension :D. It would be epic if we can see Jinros Mother for the finals video xD.
Well if she cant make it. I guess Nazgul would be happy to get a chance to wear a nice dress on korean television :D
Fruitseller: I feel like it's a good strategy[6Pool]. I had a lot of strategies, but I thought about it a lot and decided to 6 pool. Other people told me to 6 pool too
RinconH
Profile Joined April 2010
United States512 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-19 19:58:39
January 19 2011 19:55 GMT
#4563
Jinro & Idra wasn't very good but I enjoyed Foxer vs Nada.

Foxer is a very clever player. He really took games 1 & 3 from Nada.

Nada should have AT least been able to force a draw in game 1 and game 3 he had a much superior army but made silly decisions while Foxer played intelligently.

Game 2 was also a nice "metagame abuse" - he knows people expect 1 rax expo from him so he hid the 2nd rax and rushed.


Strategically I don't know if Foxer is a good player but tactically he makes incredibly good decisions.

There were multiple times vs. Nada where he made an unconventional decision that was key to winning the match.

Likewise you saw in his game vs. Jinro where he looked doomed but, by the seat of his pants, went for the 2 medivac marine drop and took the game.

I'd be very surprised if anyone outside of MVP beats him.
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38256 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-19 19:56:30
January 19 2011 19:55 GMT
#4564
On January 20 2011 04:53 On_Slaught wrote:
I've read all 228 pages in this thread and one thing I noticed is neither Jinro nor Naz ever confirmed whether the mule in game 3 was a manner mule or an accident. This is something i'm pretty curious about and if it was a manner mule i'm curious why it is warranted against somebody in the same boat as you, except he doesn't have all the awesome practice partners to work with and has to struggle more to do well?

If nothing is said about it we pretty much have to assume it wasn't an accident since that would be a pretty weird misclick (based on the keys I assume he uses different fingers for each).


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=185712&currentpage=222#4426

Jinro already said it was meant to be a scan, just a couple of pages ago >_>
Sarsaparilla
Profile Joined November 2010
United States12 Posts
January 19 2011 19:55 GMT
#4565
Congrats Jinro, and gg Idra. Was looking forward to watch this all week. Can't wait to watch Idra do some more stomping. Kinda curious his thoughts on the current state of Zerg vs. Terran right now.
Kerrigan put your clothes back on
Grebliv
Profile Joined May 2006
Iceland800 Posts
January 19 2011 19:56 GMT
#4566
On January 20 2011 04:53 On_Slaught wrote:
I've read all 228 pages in this thread and one thing I noticed is neither Jinro nor Naz ever confirmed whether the mule in game 3 was a manner mule or an accident. This is something i'm pretty curious about and if it was a manner mule i'm curious why it is warranted against somebody in the same boat as you, except he doesn't have all the awesome practice partners to work with and has to struggle more to do well?

If nothing is said about it we pretty much have to assume it wasn't an accident since that would be a pretty weird misclick (based on the keys I assume he uses different fingers for each).


Accident, meant to scan. You can find it in the fanclubthread.
ESV Mapmaking!
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-19 20:02:43
January 19 2011 19:56 GMT
#4567
Rewatching game 4 I cant hear the "ooooh" I was sure I heard during the game, I wonder if it was the crowd or if it just sounded louder by the speaker behind my booth as gom said. Maybe it was just a mindghost because I thought he might cheese me... I dont know.

Only one that makes any sense is RIGHT at the beginning, like first few seconds. Hm, well I dont know, I dont remember when I thought I heard it.

On January 20 2011 04:53 On_Slaught wrote:
I've read all 228 pages in this thread and one thing I noticed is neither Jinro nor Naz ever confirmed whether the mule in game 3 was a manner mule or an accident. This is something i'm pretty curious about and if it was a manner mule i'm curious why it is warranted against somebody in the same boat as you, except he doesn't have all the awesome practice partners to work with and has to struggle more to do well?

If nothing is said about it we pretty much have to assume it wasn't an accident since that would be a pretty weird misclick (based on the keys I assume he uses different fingers for each).


Meant to scan to kill the damaged tumor. I didnt think the game was over at all.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Xayoz
Profile Joined December 2010
Estonia373 Posts
January 19 2011 20:00 GMT
#4568
On January 20 2011 03:59 Trentelshark wrote:
Every game Foxer is in gives me a headache. Yes he is good, yes he is abusing the immobility of the Siege Tanks, but it makes for boring viewing when you see the same thing over and over again. 8 - 12 Medivacs, a couple Marauders, 150 Marines, drops everywhere, base trade, repeat.

I on the other hand find siegetank/viking spam in pretty much every TvT agonisingly boring.
I'm kinda glad GSL is planning on introducing new and bigger maps - this should certainly encourage the infantry heavy play style in TvT due to its mobility.

I'm quite happy about both of my favorites advancing.
Gonna be rather torn for Jinro vs MK match tho.
On one hand we have Jinro who is both awesome and european.
Then again there is MK who has helped me to improve my gameplay so much and whose playstyle I really love.
Well, I guess I'll just have to cheer for both and hope one of them takes this GSL.


Jinro should really get some cool jacket like Idras and avoid those horrible puffy ones that appear to be in fashion in Korea tho.
Whenever you correct someone's grammar just remember that nobody likes you.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
January 19 2011 20:02 GMT
#4569
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 20 2011 04:56 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Rewatching game 4 I cant hear the "ooooh" I was sure I heard during the game, I wonder if it was the crowd or if it just sounded louder by the speaker behind my booth as gom said. Maybe it was just a mindghost because I thought he might cheese me... I dont know.

Show nested quote +
On January 20 2011 04:53 On_Slaught wrote:
I've read all 228 pages in this thread and one thing I noticed is neither Jinro nor Naz ever confirmed whether the mule in game 3 was a manner mule or an accident. This is something i'm pretty curious about and if it was a manner mule i'm curious why it is warranted against somebody in the same boat as you, except he doesn't have all the awesome practice partners to work with and has to struggle more to do well?

If nothing is said about it we pretty much have to assume it wasn't an accident since that would be a pretty weird misclick (based on the keys I assume he uses different fingers for each).


Meant to scan to kill the damaged tumor. I didnt think the game was over at all.


Really glad to hear that I thought if it was to be an accident it would be for either burrowed blings or tumors.
tapk69
Profile Joined January 2011
Portugal264 Posts
January 19 2011 20:09 GMT
#4570
i just can't stand this marinekingprime guy. this shitty B-team player thinks he's all good and shit by hiding bases and structures/depots while playing hide-and-seek with his army. This is not the way you play starcraft, and for it to happen twice in his 3 games, shows what a bitch he is.

I really hope Jinro puts him in his place.


Who votes yes that this is the dumbest comment ever made?
ja foste
FALAPARK
Profile Joined January 2010
United States224 Posts
January 19 2011 20:11 GMT
#4571
On January 20 2011 05:00 Xayoz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2011 03:59 Trentelshark wrote:
Every game Foxer is in gives me a headache. Yes he is good, yes he is abusing the immobility of the Siege Tanks, but it makes for boring viewing when you see the same thing over and over again. 8 - 12 Medivacs, a couple Marauders, 150 Marines, drops everywhere, base trade, repeat.

I on the other hand find siegetank/viking spam in pretty much every TvT agonisingly boring.
I'm kinda glad GSL is planning on introducing new and bigger maps - this should certainly encourage the infantry heavy play style in TvT due to its mobility.

I'm quite happy about both of my favorites advancing.
Gonna be rather torn for Jinro vs MK match tho.
On one hand we have Jinro who is both awesome and european.
Then again there is MK who has helped me to improve my gameplay so much and whose playstyle I really love.
Well, I guess I'll just have to cheer for both and hope one of them takes this GSL.


Jinro should really get some cool jacket like Idras and avoid those horrible puffy ones that appear to be in fashion in Korea tho.

I don't know, seeing how nestea plays, I can't see any Terran player winning gsl, unless they cheese him out of the tournament but these matches are bo5 and cheesing constantly will fail.. so Nestea is our gsl winner again, well at least that's what I think. Anyone agree?
Juaks
Profile Joined June 2010
United States384 Posts
January 19 2011 20:12 GMT
#4572
Grats Jinro. I hope you make it to the finals. And btw I did like that jacket.

On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
January 19 2011 20:13 GMT
#4573
MVP has destroyed Nestea in their recent non-GSL games. Mvp is like 15-1 against top zergs in recent memory. MVP is going to roll.
Tyree
Profile Joined November 2010
1508 Posts
January 19 2011 20:16 GMT
#4574
On January 20 2011 05:11 FALAPARK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2011 05:00 Xayoz wrote:
On January 20 2011 03:59 Trentelshark wrote:
Every game Foxer is in gives me a headache. Yes he is good, yes he is abusing the immobility of the Siege Tanks, but it makes for boring viewing when you see the same thing over and over again. 8 - 12 Medivacs, a couple Marauders, 150 Marines, drops everywhere, base trade, repeat.

I on the other hand find siegetank/viking spam in pretty much every TvT agonisingly boring.
I'm kinda glad GSL is planning on introducing new and bigger maps - this should certainly encourage the infantry heavy play style in TvT due to its mobility.

I'm quite happy about both of my favorites advancing.
Gonna be rather torn for Jinro vs MK match tho.
On one hand we have Jinro who is both awesome and european.
Then again there is MK who has helped me to improve my gameplay so much and whose playstyle I really love.
Well, I guess I'll just have to cheer for both and hope one of them takes this GSL.


Jinro should really get some cool jacket like Idras and avoid those horrible puffy ones that appear to be in fashion in Korea tho.

I don't know, seeing how nestea plays, I can't see any Terran player winning gsl, unless they cheese him out of the tournament but these matches are bo5 and cheesing constantly will fail.. so Nestea is our gsl winner again, well at least that's what I think. Anyone agree?



I agree, i think the 3 Terrans will be gunning for him, the biggest chance anyone has to beat him is MVP, as i think he is perhaps the most talented SC2 player in the world.

I definatly think Jinro could beat him aswell in a macro oriented game, pressuring him early is really difficult as Nestea seems to have mastered fending off any early pressure from anyone. But Jinro has the game sense and macro, he is also smart and rarely takes big risks.

MKP has to have improved alot to pose a challange to Nestea, i hope he learned a few new tricks and can take revenge on him, if he isent improved alot then i just see Nestea running him over like in the finals.
★ Top Gun ★
Phanekim
Profile Joined April 2003
United States777 Posts
January 19 2011 20:16 GMT
#4575
they need to change maps. of course this has been beaten to death but yes.
i like cheese
PukinDog
Profile Joined September 2010
United States131 Posts
January 19 2011 20:17 GMT
#4576
On January 20 2011 05:11 FALAPARK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2011 05:00 Xayoz wrote:
On January 20 2011 03:59 Trentelshark wrote:
Every game Foxer is in gives me a headache. Yes he is good, yes he is abusing the immobility of the Siege Tanks, but it makes for boring viewing when you see the same thing over and over again. 8 - 12 Medivacs, a couple Marauders, 150 Marines, drops everywhere, base trade, repeat.

I on the other hand find siegetank/viking spam in pretty much every TvT agonisingly boring.
I'm kinda glad GSL is planning on introducing new and bigger maps - this should certainly encourage the infantry heavy play style in TvT due to its mobility.

I'm quite happy about both of my favorites advancing.
Gonna be rather torn for Jinro vs MK match tho.
On one hand we have Jinro who is both awesome and european.
Then again there is MK who has helped me to improve my gameplay so much and whose playstyle I really love.
Well, I guess I'll just have to cheer for both and hope one of them takes this GSL.


Jinro should really get some cool jacket like Idras and avoid those horrible puffy ones that appear to be in fashion in Korea tho.

I don't know, seeing how nestea plays, I can't see any Terran player winning gsl, unless they cheese him out of the tournament but these matches are bo5 and cheesing constantly will fail.. so Nestea is our gsl winner again, well at least that's what I think. Anyone agree?

MVP is going to make NesTea look quite average. The dude is like a human stopwatch. His timings are sick. He sits back and makes enough units to kill you, then he walks over and does it.
Only creativity is going to beat him. That means Jinro, if anyone.
You must macro like every SCV is bringing not minerals, but Pie.
Saiwa
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany789 Posts
January 19 2011 20:23 GMT
#4577
Wow the Series between them both were so ... cheap. I really did root for epic fights, but it was very boring. It would be nice if Idra didnt GG Game 2 so fast, and it would be so motherfucking Awesome if he won the Fight on Jungle Basin. I really hoped the Gracken would win. Sad Face

Now i hope Jinro gets to the Finals.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vM_P7eLbY48&feature=player_detailpage#t=359s YOU ARE NOT GOING TO DO THIS TO ME CLIDE ! Artosis
Eurekastreet
Profile Joined November 2010
1308 Posts
January 19 2011 20:24 GMT
#4578
On January 20 2011 04:56 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Rewatching game 4 I cant hear the "ooooh" I was sure I heard during the game, I wonder if it was the crowd or if it just sounded louder by the speaker behind my booth as gom said. Maybe it was just a mindghost because I thought he might cheese me... I dont know.

Only one that makes any sense is RIGHT at the beginning, like first few seconds. Hm, well I dont know, I dont remember when I thought I heard it.

Show nested quote +
On January 20 2011 04:53 On_Slaught wrote:
I've read all 228 pages in this thread and one thing I noticed is neither Jinro nor Naz ever confirmed whether the mule in game 3 was a manner mule or an accident. This is something i'm pretty curious about and if it was a manner mule i'm curious why it is warranted against somebody in the same boat as you, except he doesn't have all the awesome practice partners to work with and has to struggle more to do well?

If nothing is said about it we pretty much have to assume it wasn't an accident since that would be a pretty weird misclick (based on the keys I assume he uses different fingers for each).


Meant to scan to kill the damaged tumor. I didnt think the game was over at all.



2:19 to 2:22 (game timer) is when i thought "if we can hear the korean casters/crowd through tastosis' mics, it's pbbly too loud for the players not to notice it" - but impossible to say from the other side of the planet...

ps . only noticed now the artosis "he gonna cross the road afterwards" frog comment at around 1:30 in game. made me lol.
"2 cannons, it's not one cannons" - White-Ra
Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
January 19 2011 20:27 GMT
#4579
On January 20 2011 04:38 EvilSky wrote:
stop jynxing jinro you noobs !


They need to watch Celtic Pride.
cydereal
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States193 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-19 20:30:52
January 19 2011 20:29 GMT
#4580
I hope I'm not the only one who can plainly see that the talk of MC or Jinro being bm toward one another seems to upset Jinro. It's pretty clear by the way the ogs team shows up for his matches that Jinro is well liked and has a good rapport with his housemates. That crap needs to stop, gentlemen.
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