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On January 09 2011 09:43 Hatsu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2011 09:34 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Sjow was upset about lag. This is understandable, his reaction after a long day of intense playing, also understandable. Not really his call to make to remove the caster, that would be an admin decision and up to the organisers, but you can't blame him for making that known. To me it's not what Sjow asked for, that is legitimate. It is how he did it.
yea but i can understand sjow in some way. he wants a lag free game, the caster was the obstacle and his best weapon to get rid of that is to threaten not letting him cast again. he knows that works, from experience and other players. sometimes not. like in starcraft quick decisions, quick results. someone did that on the esl stream with takesen, he messed with the wrong guys there and got punished, esl is a strong, strikt run, rich organisation. but with such weak admins, bad organisation and backup power punishments, it was worth the try for him to get rid of a problem. worked very effective. even viewers nerdrage forced a ragequit.tv to ragequit.tv. isnt that a sentence?
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On January 09 2011 09:54 drooL wrote:hey guys. i couldn't really catch the end of everything because i had to take care of some RL stuff as most of you know. i hope everything went well, from what i read here there were some issues but nothing too severe. but overall i'm glad that most of you were content with ragequit.tv's effort to jump in for the cast on very short notice. we're always glad to deliver  other than that: sorry sjow (in case you read this) that things didnt go for you as desired. lagging casters of course is unexcusable but again i didn't really know what happened. i just want to apologize for any inconvenience. i wasn't really involved but my account was :D so... just saying sorry. + Show Spoiler +and MASSIVE congrats to liquid and dario. the intense ladder sessions and the korea experience finally paid off for you dear sir, one of the best players in the world (right now, in my opinion). still entertaining to watch your games, just like in the beta. please never change since you and your play are one of a kind. /fanboy
Nothing to apologize for. The casting was perfect. Good job and congrats to the caster. Your account was well used.
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I was there, the casters had been causing lag problems the whole time, on top of the lag that was already present in the center. I imagine after 12 hours sjow just got sick of it.
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On January 09 2011 09:54 dmans wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2011 09:51 Donttazemebro wrote:
All the people defending Sjow here are way off.
Yes, they lagged big time first game and they left! Not leaving there would have been wrong, but they did.
Then, they don't get a CHANCE to fix the issue, have 5 minutes to ask an admin or find another EU caster to invite. If casters say after 3 minutes they fixed the issue and lag again, no one is gonna say anything if it's just not possible to cast. But casters got raged at and threatend and left, cause they didn't want to cause a scene. This was unacceptable of Sjow, to kill all communication there and shows he has zero interest in pleasing any of the thousands of fans watching.
He might be a good player, but still has so much to learn... Come on, TLO also blamed caster because of lag in the chat. Sjow was the first one to say it in chat only.
No TLO asked the caster to leave in the middle of the game, which is the player's right. Sjow threatened the casters to leave in the game lobby before the start of the second game. He had no right. It's the admin's call.
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On January 09 2011 09:58 eGo.SiGns wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2011 09:54 dmans wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 09 2011 09:51 Donttazemebro wrote:
All the people defending Sjow here are way off.
Yes, they lagged big time first game and they left! Not leaving there would have been wrong, but they did.
Then, they don't get a CHANCE to fix the issue, have 5 minutes to ask an admin or find another EU caster to invite. If casters say after 3 minutes they fixed the issue and lag again, no one is gonna say anything if it's just not possible to cast. But casters got raged at and threatend and left, cause they didn't want to cause a scene. This was unacceptable of Sjow, to kill all communication there and shows he has zero interest in pleasing any of the thousands of fans watching.
He might be a good player, but still has so much to learn... Come on, TLO also blamed caster because of lag in the chat. Sjow was the first one to say it in chat only. You cant really compare TLO asking a lagging caster to leave the current game and Sjow threatening said caster to never let him cast his games again, if he should not leave the lobby. Greetz
sjow: drool
sjow: please leave
is that threatening? and caster has lagged with skype off before to? is that unacceptable than when Sjow must win every game?
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On January 09 2011 10:05 dmans wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2011 09:58 eGo.SiGns wrote:On January 09 2011 09:54 dmans wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 09 2011 09:51 Donttazemebro wrote:
All the people defending Sjow here are way off.
Yes, they lagged big time first game and they left! Not leaving there would have been wrong, but they did.
Then, they don't get a CHANCE to fix the issue, have 5 minutes to ask an admin or find another EU caster to invite. If casters say after 3 minutes they fixed the issue and lag again, no one is gonna say anything if it's just not possible to cast. But casters got raged at and threatend and left, cause they didn't want to cause a scene. This was unacceptable of Sjow, to kill all communication there and shows he has zero interest in pleasing any of the thousands of fans watching.
He might be a good player, but still has so much to learn... Come on, TLO also blamed caster because of lag in the chat. Sjow was the first one to say it in chat only. You cant really compare TLO asking a lagging caster to leave the current game and Sjow threatening said caster to never let him cast his games again, if he should not leave the lobby. Greetz sjow: drool sjow: please leave is that threatening? and caster has lagged with skype off before to? is that unacceptable than when Sjow must win every game?
You must of missed what Sjow said in the game lobby before the start of the second game. He threatened the caster. He basically said that if the caster doesn't leave, he will never allow him to cast sjow's game in any capacity. Sjow lacked grace and tact. Plus, it wasn't his call. It was the admins.
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On January 09 2011 09:59 VabuDeltaKaiser wrote:
yea but i can understand sjow in some way. he wants a lag free game, the caster was the obstacle and his best weapon to get rid of that is to threaten not letting him cast again. he knows that works, from experience and other players. sometimes not. like in starcraft quick decisions, quick results. someone did that on the esl stream with takesen, he messed with the wrong guys there and got punished, esl is a strong, strikt run, rich organisation. but with such weak admins, bad organisation and backup power punishments, it was worth the try for him to get rid of a problem. worked very effective. even viewers nerdrage forced a ragequit.tv to ragequit.tv. isnt that a sentence?
So you are saying that anything that works is proper and therefore excusable? To me, he can do whatever he wants to achieve whatever goals he has. I understand that. But at the same time I still have the right to feel that he behaved (not for the first time) with a huge lack of tact and in an immensely childish manner.
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On January 09 2011 10:09 Hatsu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2011 09:59 VabuDeltaKaiser wrote:
yea but i can understand sjow in some way. he wants a lag free game, the caster was the obstacle and his best weapon to get rid of that is to threaten not letting him cast again. he knows that works, from experience and other players. sometimes not. like in starcraft quick decisions, quick results. someone did that on the esl stream with takesen, he messed with the wrong guys there and got punished, esl is a strong, strikt run, rich organisation. but with such weak admins, bad organisation and backup power punishments, it was worth the try for him to get rid of a problem. worked very effective. even viewers nerdrage forced a ragequit.tv to ragequit.tv. isnt that a sentence? So you are saying that anything that works is proper and therefore excusable? To me, he can do whatever he wants to achieve whatever goals he has. I understand that. But at the same time I still have the right to feel that he behaved (not for the first time) with a huge lack of tact and in an immensely childish manner.
I think we should all keep in mind Sjow's English might not be perfect so it might of been interpreted as rudder than it was. Unrelated, are the VOD's up?
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for those of us who didnt follow the tour, what did sjow say and under what circumstance?
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Oh my, all this drama again.
Thats what I dont like about the sc2 community, its often just a huge bitchfest.
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Germany767 Posts
guys calm down, it is not like he did anything bad and a player is under a lot of stres and pressure in a situation like that. I will get the reps send to me and I am sure someone will be willing to recast it anyways. stop blaming sjow for anything he acted completly rightfully.
Also mega thanks for all your support!!
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On January 09 2011 10:13 TT1 wrote:
for those of us who didnt follow the tour, what did sjow say and under what circumstance?
In the first game of the finals between Sjow and TLO, the casters were lagging. They were asked to leave. They left immediately.
The caster resolved the lag issue by closing skype. When the caster entered the game lobby for the second game, Sjow immediately threatened the caster. He said if the caster didn't leave, he would be permanently banned from casting any future games of Sjow. So, the caster left when he was the official caster and streamer of the game.
So, 5k+ people couldn't see the match between TLO and Sjow. Later, Sjow took the caster off from his friend's list.
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On January 09 2011 10:13 TT1 wrote:
for those of us who didnt follow the tour, what did sjow say and under what circumstance?
People are blowing it a bit out of proportion but he basically just told the casters to leave because they lagged during the game. That, in itself, isn't a big deal but people are pissed he didn't give the casters a chance to get it working.
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On January 09 2011 10:12 Broodlings wrote:
I think we should all keep in mind Sjow's English might not be perfect so it might of been interpreted as rudder than it was. Unrelated, are the VOD's up?
He conveyed the message pretty well in my opinion.
TT1: just read the thread, there are lots of posts explaining what happened and how, as well as many diverging opinions - some agreeing with my point of view and some justifying Sjow. The best thing you can do is to read and form your own opinion.
Edit: also TLO, congratulations on the victory.
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To be specific, he said he wouldn't allow them to cast any of his games ever if they didn't leave
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On January 09 2011 10:13 TT1 wrote:
for those of us who didnt follow the tour, what did sjow say and under what circumstance?
- The casters lagged during the first game of the finals, and had to leave (and left) because an improvised co-caster (TotalBiscuit) kept getting dropped from the game causing the game to stop for 10-20 seconds on two occasions.
- The co-caster idea was dropped for the next game and the official caster tried to explain that in stream, and SjoW said something like: "leave or you'll never get to cast my games again", after spamming "leave / please leave" for a while.
- At this point the caster decides to leave in order to not cause a scene and nobody gets to watch the remaining games.
- There was a tournament admin present and in contact with the caster all along, it was the official tournament caster, yet he didn't get involved at all.
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On January 09 2011 10:17 Liquid`TLO wrote:guys calm down, it is not like he did anything bad and a player is under a lot of stres and pressure in a situation like that. I will get the reps send to me and I am sure someone will be willing to recast it anyways. stop blaming sjow for anything he acted completly rightfully. Also mega thanks for all your support!!
Congrats on your first tournament victory of 2011! I'm sure this is only the beginning .
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On January 09 2011 10:19 Talin wrote:
- There was a tournament admin present and in contact with the caster all along, it was the official tournament caster, yet he didn't get involved at all.
Actually wasn't the tournament admin (smile, or whatever his name was) afk when the incident happened?
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TLO are you also going to upload the replays somewhere or only giving them to casters to cast?
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MURICA15980 Posts
What a nightmare this turned out to be at the end. Why can't things just run smoothly. geez.
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