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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
On January 09 2011 10:24 Klogon wrote: What a nightmare this turned out to be at the end. Why can't things just run smoothly. geez. Well at least TLO won and haypro came in 4th  | ||
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dmans
Sweden358 Posts
On January 09 2011 10:07 ptbl wrote: You must of missed what Sjow said in the game lobby before the start of the second game. He threatened the caster. He basically said that if the caster doesn't leave, he will never allow him to cast sjow's game in any capacity. Sjow lacked grace and tact. Plus, it wasn't his call. It was the admins. yeah, that is lacked of grace i had to admit but caster was about to leave already. and the caster like everybody else wanted i think a no lagging game. Is in fact money on the line and the players want to claim the top spot, 250 pounds diffrens between first and second place is alot of money. | ||
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TT1
Canada10057 Posts
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Usagi
Spain1647 Posts
On January 09 2011 10:29 TT1 wrote: yea like liquidtlo said he came off a loss so he was probably super frustrated(everyone reacts differently), he could have handled the situation differently but i dont see a problem with what he did but thats because as a player i can understand what hes going throught in that moment, im sure the viewers are going to perceive him in a different way but you also need to put yourself in his shoes He should also be calm and put himself in the shoes of 5000 viewers, many of them past midnight also, whose momentum he ruined. I just hope he will post an apology, or else he will gain lots of people upset with him. What he did was very far away from profesional, and when you are playing for those ammounts of money of 1 day event and with such a lineup, some profesional behaviour is expected, or at least being friendly. | ||
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Bunku
Finland20 Posts
Ofc its players right to demand a lagger to leave and most likely the lagger (also caster) will stay out of the game when someone askes for it. You think the caster wants to lag and ruin the game. In the stream the caster was all the time worrying if he lagged and was ready to leave all the time. And the sponsors are offering great prizes and possibilities to the players and player/s just being bitches. Jesus crist. Also if the events wont collect viewers, why would any sponsor want to arrange anything? So players should always to some extent remember to whom they are playing for. Dont think gsl would have any prize pool if there were 0 viewers -> 0 sponsors. Props for TLO for being a gentleman he is and asking politely and even backing up sjow in here (wich is almost too good mannered). For sjow: take some responsibility and stop being a whiny .. . Frustration or being tired isnt a reason to act up. One can go to bed and cry it out, if one cant handle the situation. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
He seems to genuinely misunderstand why he's even able to play Starcraft for money, and why people put money into e-sports in the first place. What Sjow effectively did was tell 5k people to **** off. He made a mistake in understandable circumstances, but he still made a mistake, and let it stay at that. There's no need to try to somehow make it not-a-mistake. | ||
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ranjutan
United States636 Posts
On January 09 2011 10:44 Talin wrote: What Sjow effectively did was tell 5k people to **** off. Are you serious? Get a sense of perspective please. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On January 09 2011 10:54 ranjutan wrote: Are you serious? Get a sense of perspective please. I don't agree with the guy, but would you mind clarifying this 'perspective' you're asking him to get a sense of? Seems to me he is looking at the bigger picture here. | ||
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
Congratulations for a tournament well played! Also congrats to sjow, Select and Haypro for making some money. :D To the apparent bm issue: sjow might have been rude to the casters, maybe even out of line. But as TLO said, players are under a lot of pressure and nobody wants to deal with technical issues taking the focus away from mentally preparing on the actual game. As long as humans are involved, we will always have to deal with some impulsive and unprofessional behaviour. | ||
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VabuDeltaKaiser
Germany1107 Posts
On January 09 2011 10:09 Hatsu wrote: So you are saying that anything that works is proper and therefore excusable? To me, he can do whatever he wants to achieve whatever goals he has. I understand that. But at the same time I still have the right to feel that he behaved (not for the first time) with a huge lack of tact and in an immensely childish manner. we are on par. exactly. i understand him, but the way it acted out was wrong. we never leave the learning process. | ||
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Spacemanspiff
United States116 Posts
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dignitasNewmaN
Sweden137 Posts
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Arimaki
22 Posts
I didn't watch the later part of the tournament, but wasn't the caster in fact from the US? I mean it's not uncommon to lag on EU servers even by normal standards if that's the case. Also, isn't it the admins responsibility to make sure the tournament is being casted, and not something the players have to worry about, or even complain about. They must've had an admin obsing that game so it's really their fault for not taking action. I'm not relieving sjow of all his BM but it's certainly not HIS fault that 5k people couldn't get to watch the rest of the tournament. | ||
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Gomas
Poland312 Posts
I have to say, that the lags were terrible. I lost a game to Sarens, which knocked me out mainly because of a huge lag. It was all kinds of things. PCs being too slow for big fights, huge latency, probably because the LAN set up sucked, constant 2-3 second game freezes, also probably related to the network. It was the worst when u had the official caster in. If you are playing for money, its really really frustrating, especially if its happening all the effing time, for the 8 hours you are sitting at the computer. I'm not really sure what happened with the streams, but just to let u know, as someone who took part in the event, the lags were terrible, and all the casters/organizers knew about it, and not much was done to fix it. Not to mention the annoying casters who didn't want to leave. | ||
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oursblanc
Canada1450 Posts
I'd be pissed too if my previous game had frozen 2-3 times because of the casters alone and they still rejoined. | ||
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eu.xen
Germany352 Posts
On January 09 2011 11:19 oursblanc wrote: SjoW made one spur of the moment comment and all this complaining? Weird. I'd be pissed too if my previous game had frozen 2-3 times because of the casters alone and they still rejoined. Thanks for your real wise post to this thread. People are obviously only indirectly pissed at his comment, moreso because it was the reason they could not watch the finals, that they were waiting for, live. Think before posting... | ||
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oursblanc
Canada1450 Posts
On January 09 2011 11:25 Donttazemebro wrote: Thanks for your real wise post to this thread. People are obviously only indirectly pissed at his comment, moreso because it was the reason they could not watch the finals, that they were waiting for, live. Think before posting... Then they should be disappointed at the connection problems, not at a player. | ||
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Hatsu
United Kingdom474 Posts
On January 09 2011 11:05 VabuDeltaKaiser wrote: we are on par. exactly. i understand him, but the way it acted out was wrong. we never leave the learning process. Yes indeed. I think Sjow will actually learn from this (and all the other episodes involving him), he does not strike me as a stupid individual. It's just that it should get to a point where this is run professionally and played professionally. A player should never dare to behave like that, and if he does he should get punished. At the same time, however, players should have someone to go complain to if they feel there is a problem. Anyone who has ever played, for example, tennis on a competitive level will know what I am talking about. The SC2 pro scene has a long way to go when it comes to that (at least outside Korea, I guess), and in the end of the day it comes down to both players and organisers to get into the right mindset. | ||
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eGo.SiGns
Germany48 Posts
Lag is even annoying if you arent playing for money. BUT the whole reason why you guys have the opportunity to earn money while playing is because there are people out there, that are willing to tune in to those events. So,i guess we should just leave it at that: What Sjow did may have been understandable but it was just bm, since he ignored those 6.5k viewers (that was the peak, obviously it dropped quite fast). He can probably life with it and wont care, and most players may have the same opinion, but many fans and viewers are not ok with that kind of behavior. Therefore you dont really have to wonder why guys like TLO get 10 times the love sjow does. But heck, since it wont really affect his money he's probably fine with it anyway. greetz & gn8 | ||
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eu.xen
Germany352 Posts
On January 09 2011 11:33 oursblanc wrote: Then they should be disappointed at the connection problems, not at a player. Omg, read the thread. The problem from the first game was pinpointed and the caster did not get a chance to explain. | ||
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