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Ren91
United Kingdom190 Posts
wasnt there a ref? or tlo could upload em.. hes probably a bit busy celebrating though ^^ | ||
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:21 Usagi wrote: Im sure those people stay up far far later during tournaments, even more given it is saturday  I have seen Sjow up at 3-4 am in other tournaments, it's the prize for placing high and getting the money, you are not in the playground anymore. im with u, but sjow could have been not feeling well etc etc who knows i would have preferred to seen a final postponed till tmr or something so everyone could watch | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:19 Lightspeed wrote: At midnight? After having played a brutal bracket for 12 hours? Matter of fact, neither the players (the ones that showed up anyway) nor the clutch streamers are to blame but rather the tourney organizers, for not getting a proper official stream running, for not getting the players on site in time, for trying to run a double elim bracket with bo5s in a single day and so on and so forth. I am entirely blaming the tournament organizers and admins for everything you mentioned. I'm just disliking SjoW for directly forcing an issue he shouldn't have a say on that denied us the stream of almost the entire grand finals (even though the issues were fixed). By the way, I think the tournament admin or one of them at least was online and in contact with the caster for most of the time (it was the smile fellow). So I'm pretty sure the streamer was officially approved. | ||
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vdale
Germany1173 Posts
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ste0731
United Kingdom435 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:21 Usagi wrote: Im sure those people stay up far far later during tournaments, even more given it is saturday I have seen Sjow up at 3-4 am in other tournaments, it's the prize for placing high and getting the money, you are not in the playground anymore. The problem with the time is transport/tickets/hotels/plans etc. Transport in the UK is TERRIBLE after midnight, and the later it gets the worse it is. Would you like to be walking around london at 3am on a saturday night trying to find your hotel, getting on/off the tube etc etc. The tournament was run great in the overall picture after a lot of small errors. | ||
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VabuDeltaKaiser
Germany1107 Posts
GGs, there were a lot of entertaining games at this tournament that could be watched. thats what it is about. if you want a scene to grow, and stream to masses, technical issues will happen. we all know that. even a single player knows lags, spikes, disconnects and stuff. this can happen to everyone. we just need to handle this better and handle that in a rational way. | ||
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Usagi
Spain1647 Posts
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Malinor
Germany4727 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:20 noaki wrote: yea, but he left to not cause any trouble for drool which account he was using And he did the right thing. Also the players did the right thing, they just wanted the games to go smoothly after a 14h day. Again, there was just an admin who didn't do anything when he should have said something, and a very bad organized tournament from a spectators point of view. And to everyone, maybe put yourself in Sjow's shoes for once. He was up 2-0 in WB-final against TLO, then loses 2-3. Later he is containting TLO in game1 in the grand final and then 6 Helions tear apart millions of scvs and marines in your base. And then some guy in your game lags several times during the game. You really expect him to stay calm there (besides, TLO was as pissed as Sjow if you followed the chat)? | ||
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NapstaR
Germany128 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:24 Ren91 wrote: wasnt there a ref? or tlo could upload em.. hes probably a bit busy celebrating though ^^ Well afaik the admin and both player gone offline after the game, i'm not even sure the admin was ingame i actually think he wasnt. | ||
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polarity
53 Posts
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ste0731
United Kingdom435 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:28 NapstaR wrote: Well afaik the admin and both player gone offline after the game, i'm not even sure the admin was ingame i actually think he wasnt. The admin was lagging himself, replays will be uploaded to the bracket. I presume after everything has calmed down/the morning. | ||
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Usagi
Spain1647 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:26 ste0731 wrote: . Transport in the UK is TERRIBLE after midnight, and the later it gets the worse it is. Would you like to be walking around london at 3am on a saturday night trying to find your hotel, getting on/off the tube etc etc. well, I have actually been in that situation, around 3 am, finding taxis and busses link so I could get to Standsted airport in time, and would have been much more comfortable if I know I had just won 1250 pounds yknow. | ||
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theonlyrio
United Kingdom200 Posts
 , loved meeting TLO and haypro and such :D got my phone signed  plus the tournament was run well, from what i was able to see at least. People could readily find their matches and such. Great experience and will hope there are more to come. | ||
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ste0731
United Kingdom435 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:29 Usagi wrote: well, I have actually been in that situation, around 3 am, finding taxis and busses link so I could get to Standsted airport in time, and would have been much more comfortable if I know I had just won 1250 pounds yknow. But thats not an ideal situation, next time theres a tournament and you invite player X he thinks Oh no i was stuck in london at 3am and he won't play. I can't see how u can blame anyone, the only thing u can blame is them all for playing T and creating so many TvT's that last forever :D Apart from that, really enjoyed todays tournament Thanks smile and all other admins and people who put in a LOT Of work to get this organized. | ||
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Hatsu
United Kingdom474 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:26 ste0731 wrote: The problem with the time is transport/tickets/hotels/plans etc. Transport in the UK is TERRIBLE after midnight, and the later it gets the worse it is. Would you like to be walking around london at 3am on a saturday night trying to find your hotel, getting on/off the tube etc etc. The tournament was run great in the overall picture after a lot of small errors. Oh come on I have lived in London for 8 years, and this is simply not true. They are in Piccadilly on a Saturday night, they can find a cab within 10 minutes at any time of the day and night. | ||
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Usagi
Spain1647 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:30 ste0731 wrote: But thats not an ideal situation, next time theres a tournament and you invite player X he thinks Oh no i was stuck in london at 3am and he won't play. I can't see how u can blame anyone, the only thing u can blame is them all for playing T and creating so many TvT's that last forever :D Apart from that, really enjoyed todays tournament Thanks smile and all other admins and people who put in a LOT Of work to get this organized. I blame every terran player for not having self respect and playing that race! Btw, this is my first discussion ever around here, so excuse me if Idont know where the emoticon buttons are =0 | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38253 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:21 Usagi wrote: Im sure those people stay up far far later during tournaments, even more given it is saturday I have seen Sjow up at 3-4 am in other tournaments, it's the prize for placing high and getting the money, you are not in the playground anymore. I have seen Sjow up at 3-4am for US tournaments where he's aware of what time he's going to be playing sure, but at the point the lag incident happened they'd been playing competitively for almost 12 hours. Sjow might not have handled things in the politest fashion, but I'm sorry, if you feel the lag is interfering with your play to that extent then you are within your right to ask the person creating the lag to leave. Ultimately the responsiblity for the finals not being cast comes down to the tournament not ensuring that the tournament actually has a caster present, and summarily not having a back up plan to offer a decent quality stream (some awful quality livestream with an admin casting who can't even look at battles because he lags when he does doesn't count =p). The ragequit guys stepped in to offer the community a chance to watch, but the US -> EU connection is never going to be great and there were a number of lag issues today. | ||
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
This is my understanding from the information I've gathered. Please take it with a grain of salt. The tournament should have had an official, on-site caster. He never showed up. Ragequit stepped in to provide a stream. Had they not done so, the entire tournament would have been a disaster for the sponsors, which means pulling money OUT of the eSports scene in the UK. Not good. sheekthief cast for 6 hours solo, which puts him in the 'like a boss' category in my book. Sjow was upset about lag. This is understandable, his reaction after a long day of intense playing, also understandable. Not really his call to make to remove the caster, that would be an admin decision and up to the organisers, but you can't blame him for making that known.The fact that this stuff was evening happening at midnight? Ridiculous. Way too late for this kind of thing. Organisational failure, should have been split over 2 days if time was going to be an issue. Lack of reliable on-site caster? Inexcusable failure. I dunno who this guy was, but I know for a fact it was neither myself nor Apollo. This might sound arrogant as shit, but... name one other UK Starcraft 2 caster... because I can't. Who on earth did they ask who then didn't bother to show up? This concerns me because it's another setback for eSports in the UK and may damage the potential for big money sponsorship in this country for future events. Again please, grain of salt, I'm coming into this late with limited knowledge. | ||
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Veasel
Sweden159 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:26 Usagi wrote: Sjow has to be blamed, you cant have that attitude when you are getting such a big money. That is just unaceptable. WTF ARE YOU SAYING? That lagg ruined their whole game fucktard. DId u even watch what happend? Shut the FUCK up.. all this blame-throwing from noobs shouldt be acceptable -.- Serisly.. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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