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Ren91
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom190 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-09 00:25:04
January 09 2011 00:24 GMT
#801
On January 09 2011 09:23 NapstaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2011 09:22 Cofo wrote:
Are there/will there be VODS anywhere?



well no vods, nobody casted the game :D


wasnt there a ref? or tlo could upload em.. hes probably a bit busy celebrating though ^^
Veni Vidi Vici
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
January 09 2011 00:24 GMT
#802
On January 09 2011 09:21 Usagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2011 09:14 zev318 wrote:
sure, if it wasnt like 1am over there in europe, im sure they wouldnt have minded waiting hours for the casters to figure it out...........


Im sure those people stay up far far later during tournaments, even more given it is saturday
I have seen Sjow up at 3-4 am in other tournaments, it's the prize for placing high and getting the money, you are not in the playground anymore.


im with u, but sjow could have been not feeling well etc etc who knows

i would have preferred to seen a final postponed till tmr or something so everyone could watch
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-09 00:26:43
January 09 2011 00:25 GMT
#803
On January 09 2011 09:19 Lightspeed wrote:
At midnight? After having played a brutal bracket for 12 hours? Matter of fact, neither the players (the ones that showed up anyway) nor the clutch streamers are to blame but rather the tourney organizers, for not getting a proper official stream running, for not getting the players on site in time, for trying to run a double elim bracket with bo5s in a single day and so on and so forth.


I am entirely blaming the tournament organizers and admins for everything you mentioned.

I'm just disliking SjoW for directly forcing an issue he shouldn't have a say on that denied us the stream of almost the entire grand finals (even though the issues were fixed).

By the way, I think the tournament admin or one of them at least was online and in contact with the caster for most of the time (it was the smile fellow). So I'm pretty sure the streamer was officially approved.
vdale
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1173 Posts
January 09 2011 00:25 GMT
#804
stop blaming sjow, that's ridiculous.
ste0731
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom435 Posts
January 09 2011 00:26 GMT
#805
On January 09 2011 09:21 Usagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2011 09:14 zev318 wrote:
sure, if it wasnt like 1am over there in europe, im sure they wouldnt have minded waiting hours for the casters to figure it out...........


Im sure those people stay up far far later during tournaments, even more given it is saturday
I have seen Sjow up at 3-4 am in other tournaments, it's the prize for placing high and getting the money, you are not in the playground anymore.


The problem with the time is transport/tickets/hotels/plans etc. Transport in the UK is TERRIBLE after midnight, and the later it gets the worse it is. Would you like to be walking around london at 3am on a saturday night trying to find your hotel, getting on/off the tube etc etc. The tournament was run great in the overall picture after a lot of small errors.
VabuDeltaKaiser
Profile Joined April 2009
Germany1107 Posts
January 09 2011 00:26 GMT
#806
i just feel a bit with sheekthief who was casting from usa on drools eu account as a standin who had to handle a shitstorm of flame after it was clear the final will not be shown. also i feel a bit sad for sjow, out of some thousand sc2 addicts some will take this way too serious.

GGs, there were a lot of entertaining games at this tournament that could be watched. thats what it is about. if you want a scene to grow, and stream to masses, technical issues will happen. we all know that. even a single player knows lags, spikes, disconnects and stuff. this can happen to everyone. we just need to handle this better and handle that in a rational way.
my smiley drinks green tea. works. just, the commercial investments are lower.
Usagi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Spain1647 Posts
January 09 2011 00:26 GMT
#807
Sjow has to be blamed, you cant have that attitude when you are getting such a big money. That is just unaceptable.
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4722 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-09 00:28:39
January 09 2011 00:27 GMT
#808
On January 09 2011 09:20 noaki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2011 09:17 Malinor wrote:
On January 09 2011 09:13 Talin wrote:
On January 09 2011 09:07 Malinor wrote:
It doesn't seem right that you guys blame Sjow that he does not want lag in his game and doesn't want to listen to some guy explaining to him why he lags. This is a grand final, as a player you would get annoyed as hell. Besides, they asked the caster out before and when he lagged again, TLO said in chat "WTF, he is still in here?". They were probably really pissed by then.


If Jinro and TT1 could wait for hours at MLG, so can they.

You're forgetting that the whole point of having tournaments with sponsorships and money rewards in the first place is because people want to watch the games. That actually takes priority over players' preferences and problems, because it's what generates the money they're winning right now.

Yes it's horrible for a caster to lag during the grand finals, and it's an organizational flaw, and getting an improvised co-caster on was a bad idea. But that's no reason for a PLAYER to decide that streaming isn't going to happen.

They may have been pissed off, but that's life. If they felt the game was influenced by the lag, they could discuss with the admin to have it replayed. There are standard ways of dealing with everything.


I am not forgetting anything. MLG was HORRIBLE. By the time they played the finals finally, I had lost all interest in who would win. I was actually waiting forever and finally fall asleep.

In this tourney, It was already after midnight in London and they were playing for 14 hours or so. Furthermore, it was not even an official streamer, for all they know it was just a random streamer. How do you even know they were aware of the viewing situation for some guys on teamliquid.
Also, Sjow didn't decide anything, he just threatened the guy (and you can judge him for that). But the countdown already started when the streamer left, he wasn't forced out, he left voluntarily in the end.


yea, but he left to not cause any trouble for drool which account he was using


And he did the right thing. Also the players did the right thing, they just wanted the games to go smoothly after a 14h day.

Again, there was just an admin who didn't do anything when he should have said something, and a
very bad organized tournament from a spectators point of view.


And to everyone, maybe put yourself in Sjow's shoes for once. He was up 2-0 in WB-final against TLO, then loses 2-3. Later he is containting TLO in game1 in the grand final and then 6 Helions tear apart millions of scvs and marines in your base. And then some guy in your game lags several times during the game. You really expect him to stay calm there (besides, TLO was as pissed as Sjow if you followed the chat)?
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
NapstaR
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany128 Posts
January 09 2011 00:28 GMT
#809
On January 09 2011 09:24 Ren91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2011 09:23 NapstaR wrote:
On January 09 2011 09:22 Cofo wrote:
Are there/will there be VODS anywhere?



well no vods, nobody casted the game :D


wasnt there a ref? or tlo could upload em.. hes probably a bit busy celebrating though ^^



Well afaik the admin and both player gone offline after the game, i'm not even sure the admin was ingame i actually think he wasnt.
polarity
Profile Joined August 2010
53 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-09 00:29:33
January 09 2011 00:28 GMT
#810
The fact that people are faulting Sjow for not wanting to wait at 1am hours or just playing the game with someone lagging (which is not the caster's fault at all) after going through 12 almost straight hours playing through a full double elim bracket (many of the games which were also riddled with lag without a complaint by the players) makes me think that some people just don't deserve to have events like these to watch.
ste0731
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom435 Posts
January 09 2011 00:29 GMT
#811
On January 09 2011 09:28 NapstaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2011 09:24 Ren91 wrote:
On January 09 2011 09:23 NapstaR wrote:
On January 09 2011 09:22 Cofo wrote:
Are there/will there be VODS anywhere?



well no vods, nobody casted the game :D


wasnt there a ref? or tlo could upload em.. hes probably a bit busy celebrating though ^^



Well afaik the admin and both player gone offline after the game, i'm not even sure the admin was ingame i actually think he wasnt.


The admin was lagging himself, replays will be uploaded to the bracket. I presume after everything has calmed down/the morning.
Usagi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Spain1647 Posts
January 09 2011 00:29 GMT
#812
On January 09 2011 09:26 ste0731 wrote:
. Transport in the UK is TERRIBLE after midnight, and the later it gets the worse it is. Would you like to be walking around london at 3am on a saturday night trying to find your hotel, getting on/off the tube etc etc.


well, I have actually been in that situation, around 3 am, finding taxis and busses link so I could get to Standsted airport in time, and would have been much more comfortable if I know I had just won 1250 pounds yknow.
theonlyrio
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom200 Posts
January 09 2011 00:29 GMT
#813
Great tournament guys , loved meeting TLO and haypro and such :D got my phone signed

plus the tournament was run well, from what i was able to see at least. People could readily find their matches and such. Great experience and will hope there are more to come.
I am the only rio
ste0731
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom435 Posts
January 09 2011 00:30 GMT
#814
On January 09 2011 09:29 Usagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2011 09:26 ste0731 wrote:
. Transport in the UK is TERRIBLE after midnight, and the later it gets the worse it is. Would you like to be walking around london at 3am on a saturday night trying to find your hotel, getting on/off the tube etc etc.


well, I have actually been in that situation, around 3 am, finding taxis and busses link so I could get to Standsted airport in time, and would have been much more comfortable if I know I had just won 1250 pounds yknow.


But thats not an ideal situation, next time theres a tournament and you invite player X he thinks Oh no i was stuck in london at 3am and he won't play. I can't see how u can blame anyone, the only thing u can blame is them all for playing T and creating so many TvT's that last forever :D Apart from that, really enjoyed todays tournament

Thanks smile and all other admins and people who put in a LOT Of work to get this organized.
Hatsu
Profile Joined March 2010
United Kingdom474 Posts
January 09 2011 00:31 GMT
#815
On January 09 2011 09:26 ste0731 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2011 09:21 Usagi wrote:
On January 09 2011 09:14 zev318 wrote:
sure, if it wasnt like 1am over there in europe, im sure they wouldnt have minded waiting hours for the casters to figure it out...........


Im sure those people stay up far far later during tournaments, even more given it is saturday
I have seen Sjow up at 3-4 am in other tournaments, it's the prize for placing high and getting the money, you are not in the playground anymore.


The problem with the time is transport/tickets/hotels/plans etc. Transport in the UK is TERRIBLE after midnight, and the later it gets the worse it is. Would you like to be walking around london at 3am on a saturday night trying to find your hotel, getting on/off the tube etc etc. The tournament was run great in the overall picture after a lot of small errors.


Oh come on I have lived in London for 8 years, and this is simply not true. They are in Piccadilly on a Saturday night, they can find a cab within 10 minutes at any time of the day and night.
Sedit qui timuit ne non succederet
Usagi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Spain1647 Posts
January 09 2011 00:32 GMT
#816
On January 09 2011 09:30 ste0731 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2011 09:29 Usagi wrote:
On January 09 2011 09:26 ste0731 wrote:
. Transport in the UK is TERRIBLE after midnight, and the later it gets the worse it is. Would you like to be walking around london at 3am on a saturday night trying to find your hotel, getting on/off the tube etc etc.


well, I have actually been in that situation, around 3 am, finding taxis and busses link so I could get to Standsted airport in time, and would have been much more comfortable if I know I had just won 1250 pounds yknow.


But thats not an ideal situation, next time theres a tournament and you invite player X he thinks Oh no i was stuck in london at 3am and he won't play. I can't see how u can blame anyone, the only thing u can blame is them all for playing T and creating so many TvT's that last forever :D Apart from that, really enjoyed todays tournament

Thanks smile and all other admins and people who put in a LOT Of work to get this organized.

I blame every terran player for not having self respect and playing that race!
Btw, this is my first discussion ever around here, so excuse me if Idont know where the emoticon buttons are =0
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38220 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-09 00:34:54
January 09 2011 00:33 GMT
#817
On January 09 2011 09:21 Usagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2011 09:14 zev318 wrote:
sure, if it wasnt like 1am over there in europe, im sure they wouldnt have minded waiting hours for the casters to figure it out...........


Im sure those people stay up far far later during tournaments, even more given it is saturday
I have seen Sjow up at 3-4 am in other tournaments, it's the prize for placing high and getting the money, you are not in the playground anymore.


I have seen Sjow up at 3-4am for US tournaments where he's aware of what time he's going to be playing sure, but at the point the lag incident happened they'd been playing competitively for almost 12 hours. Sjow might not have handled things in the politest fashion, but I'm sorry, if you feel the lag is interfering with your play to that extent then you are within your right to ask the person creating the lag to leave.

Ultimately the responsiblity for the finals not being cast comes down to the tournament not ensuring that the tournament actually has a caster present, and summarily not having a back up plan to offer a decent quality stream (some awful quality livestream with an admin casting who can't even look at battles because he lags when he does doesn't count =p). The ragequit guys stepped in to offer the community a chance to watch, but the US -> EU connection is never going to be great and there were a number of lag issues today.
ptbl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6074 Posts
January 09 2011 00:33 GMT
#818
I think we can all agree that TLO and the casters came out of this tournament as the heroes and sjow came out as the goat.
Don't mind me
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-09 00:37:36
January 09 2011 00:34 GMT
#819
It's probably not in my best interests to get involved in this, but lots of people are getting blamed who really shouldn't be by the sounds of it and it's a whole bunch of drama.

This is my understanding from the information I've gathered. Please take it with a grain of salt.

The tournament should have had an official, on-site caster. He never showed up. Ragequit stepped in to provide a stream. Had they not done so, the entire tournament would have been a disaster for the sponsors, which means pulling money OUT of the eSports scene in the UK. Not good. sheekthief cast for 6 hours solo, which puts him in the 'like a boss' category in my book.

Sjow was upset about lag. This is understandable, his reaction after a long day of intense playing, also understandable. Not really his call to make to remove the caster, that would be an admin decision and up to the organisers, but you can't blame him for making that known.The fact that this stuff was evening happening at midnight? Ridiculous. Way too late for this kind of thing. Organisational failure, should have been split over 2 days if time was going to be an issue. Lack of reliable on-site caster? Inexcusable failure. I dunno who this guy was, but I know for a fact it was neither myself nor Apollo. This might sound arrogant as shit, but... name one other UK Starcraft 2 caster... because I can't. Who on earth did they ask who then didn't bother to show up?

This concerns me because it's another setback for eSports in the UK and may damage the potential for big money sponsorship in this country for future events.

Again please, grain of salt, I'm coming into this late with limited knowledge.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
Veasel
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden159 Posts
January 09 2011 00:34 GMT
#820
On January 09 2011 09:26 Usagi wrote:
Sjow has to be blamed, you cant have that attitude when you are getting such a big money. That is just unaceptable.


WTF ARE YOU SAYING? That lagg ruined their whole game fucktard. DId u even watch what happend? Shut the FUCK up..


all this blame-throwing from noobs shouldt be acceptable -.- Serisly..

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