TOP and July were two notable Korean players that did not qualify last time. Also, I think SjoW is going to Dreamhack. Softball, Dus and Luffy are probably attending, as is Moon, and I'm pretty sure SeleCt is.
Will be there getting destroyed Monday night, 6pm. I know I won't make the Ro64 or even probably win a game, but, teaching in Korea this year, and when in Rome....
I dunno if you want to add it motbob - but from what I understand mOOnGLaDe was going to participate but had to pull out - might be good to note down some of those high level players that won't be there.
Edit: Now that I think about it that might not be the best idea. Scratch that.
In some ways, this is my favorite part of each GSL season so far. Just wish there were more video of it Best of luck to all foreigners, plus Tester and Fruitdealer!
I humbly request that TorcH and SeleCT be added to the list of players to watch! They both stated to me at MLG Dallas that they'd be attempting to qualify.
Havent bought a season pass for 1 and 2 but will definetely be picking up one for Season 3. Really want to see some foreigners make it far. IdrA fighting!
When I was leaving the GSL finals, I was pretty sure I spotted Torch there as well as some of the other top foreigner players there, so I would think Torch is participating
How exactly are they planning to get through all of these players in two days? Last time it took four days, and they will have even more entrants this time =/
please Idra, please please please qualify and get to at least the r16, i really really need a forgiener to cheer on in S-class. The good of western gaming depends on you!
On November 14 2010 17:15 moose162 wrote: I like how Idra is listed with the Koreans ^^
Well, Tester and July definitely arnt foreigners either. I'm pretty sure the first list is the poeple who were qualified for season 2 while the second list is notable players who didnt qualify/participate last time.
On November 14 2010 17:55 zere wrote: PlayXP user predictions of how many players of each race will qualify:
They really expect P to fail...anyway, gogo HuK-InControl-KiWiKaKi fighting!
By JingJing, P has gone from the considered OP race in Korea (in GSL 1 according to Artosis) to considered the by far UP race (same # of P as T signed up and they expect worse than Z from them).
And with finals/qualifiers so close, there's no downtime for a patch to potentially change anything about that before ro64 is decided, so I wouldn't be surprised.
On November 14 2010 11:06 Duckvillelol wrote: I dunno if you want to add it motbob - but from what I understand mOOnGLaDe was going to participate but had to pull out - might be good to note down some of those high level players that won't be there.
Edit: Now that I think about it that might not be the best idea. Scratch that.
Why did he decide not to try and qualify?
Also since when does Australia have a TL member lol?
On November 14 2010 19:06 stratanic wrote: Idra already Class S ?
In the Liveon3 afterparty/interview Idra said that he has to qualify (make the ro64) to get S-class status. So he's not there quite yet, but as long as he gets into the actual tournament itself he'll be in with the big boys next season.
I think the only foreigners going to be Class S is IDRA.... he don't make the mistake to try to qualify the last last season... because the last one is the hardest to qualify IMO
What the hell does fucking S class even mean? I know it's for qualification and seeding and stuff next year but what's the difference between Code A and Code S? Seems like no one knows, lol.
On November 14 2010 19:47 Woony wrote: What the hell does fucking S class even mean? I know it's for qualification and seeding and stuff next year but what's the difference between Code A and Code S? Seems like no one knows, lol.
As far as I understand Code S is like "best amongst the A Codes" and it will transfer to beeing seeded into the GOMTV league next year, while rest of the ppl (Code A) will either qualify for rest of the spots or will be randomly distributed over the remaining league spots.
You can find the D, C, B, A, S grading scale in the Lineage 2 game and I guess it is related.
I really hope we don't see some of the players who stumbled into the round of 64 last time around. I really want the foreigners to succeed this time around. Liquid` and EG Hwaiting! But the best thing ever would be if Incontrol won for Auir!
I really hope this time we will have less streaming problems and better quality in East Europe, and ofcourse more Tosses.
It would be great that they lower previous ticket holders prices to 10$ for people who already bougt S1 and S2 ticket, and they stick to that price from now on, as it seems most fair price for loyal customers that supported both their previous events.
I don't understand how can you seriously consider a Protoss winning GSL. Nothing really changed since GSL Season 2 - there was no patch and nobody invented anything that would help PvT early game afaik. The number of "good" Terrans is steadily rising, so it will be even harder for a Protoss to break through.
On November 14 2010 19:47 Woony wrote: What the hell does fucking S class even mean? I know it's for qualification and seeding and stuff next year but what's the difference between Code A and Code S? Seems like no one knows, lol.
There's two different tournaments. 32 player S-class tournament and a 64 player A-class tournament. The S-class tournament will presumably be a lot more prestigious and have more prize money, which is why everyone is making such a big deal about getting the S-class status.
So basically I'm on a holiday for this week and there is GSL prelims. I'm 1 lucky bastard ha :D ? Anyway, can we internationals watch prelims from anywhere?
EDIT: I'm rooting for ret and hayder specifically, other than that another zerg winner or a protoss who doesn't 1baseallin will settle for me :D
On November 14 2010 22:40 Metalwing wrote: So basically I'm on a holiday for this week and there is GSL prelims. I'm 1 lucky bastard ha :D ? Anyway, can we internationals watch prelims from anywhere?
There are two problems with these qualifiers: 1) No streams... only live updated brackets and TL twitter 2) Wth scrap station is the deciding map
On November 14 2010 22:43 desrow wrote: any update? i read this thread yesterday (EST TIMEZONE) and in that thread it says tommorow so i dont know :D kinda excited ^^
1hour and 15mins until the 15th in korea. I have no idea when the qualifiers start though, maybe in 11hours? (10am their time)
Monday, Nov 15 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) ? (date-tag)
EDIT: Seems like they start at 11 their time if previous qualifiers are any indication. so Monday, Nov 15 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) (date-tag)
On November 14 2010 22:40 Metalwing wrote: So basically I'm on a holiday for this week and there is GSL prelims. I'm 1 lucky bastard ha :D ? Anyway, can we internationals watch prelims from anywhere?
There are two problems with these qualifiers: 1) No streams... only live updated brackets and TL twitter 2) Wth scrap station is the deciding map
1) FU GOM WHY NO STREAMS. 2) Scrap station is just another stupid map of blizzard. But it's still better than LT or DQ (which means Disqualify for all Zerg players).
On November 14 2010 19:06 stratanic wrote: Idra already Class S ?
Depends how they rate it, which GSL hasn't really specified. Presumptially it's top 8 from GSL1/2/3, then the top placed players afterwards, combination of # of GSLs qualified and ranking. If this is the case, he is not guaranteed S-Class right now, but would be among the prime candidates for the remaining 32-8*3=8 spots, as he made it to ro32, ro16 and not many of the other qualifiers have had repeat success like him. As such, he should be in S-Class, unless suddenly like 8 people who made ro32, also make ro16/ro8.
On November 14 2010 19:47 Woony wrote: What the hell does fucking S class even mean? I know it's for qualification and seeding and stuff next year but what's the difference between Code A and Code S? Seems like no one knows, lol.
On November 14 2010 16:40 evilsaint wrote: When does S-class kick in, next year?
Yup, GSL1/2/3 right now is basically pre-GSL to find all 'seeded' players the tournaments starting next year. Next year GSL isn't gonna be like how it is now with consecutive open tournaments. They'll have a mix of some seeded A-Class, S-Class tournaments, along with chances to move from Korean Ladder <-> A-Class <-> S-Class.
On November 14 2010 22:40 Metalwing wrote: So basically I'm on a holiday for this week and there is GSL prelims. I'm 1 lucky bastard ha :D ? Anyway, can we internationals watch prelims from anywhere?
There are two problems with these qualifiers: 1) No streams... only live updated brackets and TL twitter 2) Wth scrap station is the deciding map
1) FU GOM WHY NO STREAMS. 2) Scrap station is just another stupid map of blizzard. But it's still better than LT or DQ (which means Disqualify for all Zerg players).
Jungle Basin? We would get more P atleast... Yea I kind of agree, it is the lesser evil.
On November 14 2010 19:06 stratanic wrote: Idra already Class S ?
In the Liveon3 afterparty/interview Idra said that he has to qualify (make the ro64) to get S-class status. So he's not there quite yet, but as long as he gets into the actual tournament itself he'll be in with the big boys next season.
If he fails to qualify would he still be S class based on the results? Currently the only non-S class player who has better results is Check (with 2 Ro16s).
On November 14 2010 19:06 stratanic wrote: Idra already Class S ?
In the Liveon3 afterparty/interview Idra said that he has to qualify (make the ro64) to get S-class status. So he's not there quite yet, but as long as he gets into the actual tournament itself he'll be in with the big boys next season.
If he fails to qualify would he still be S class based on the results? Currently the only non-S class player who has better results is Check (with 2 Ro16s).
You kind of answered that yourself. There are still a few players that can pass him if they do well in Season 3
Ahh, these GSLs just seem too quick to me... but it makes sense if they are trying to create a counter to the SC1 Starleagues. Who knows maybe the GSL will turn into the Courage tourneys... once a team league can be started. Just a random thought lol.
Depends how they rate it, which GSL hasn't really specified. Presumptially it's top 8 from GSL1/2/3, then the top placed players afterwards, combination of # of GSLs qualified and ranking. If this is the case, he is not guaranteed S-Class right now, but would be among the prime candidates for the remaining 32-8*3=8 spots, as he made it to ro32, ro16 and not many of the other qualifiers have had repeat success like him. As such, he should be in S-Class, unless suddenly like 8 people who made ro32, also make ro16/ro8.
The "Top 8 from GSL 1/2/3" is pretty much confirmed given the "Achievements" listed for players who made it. They haven't specified the remaining 9-17 spots (given Ro8 repeats - HopeTorture twice, and however many repeats we get in GSL 3) but I would assume it would follow their ranking system. Which is based on wins, and has a slight advantage (1 rank up - 1 win equivalent) for GSL1 qualifiers.
Idra's 3 is pretty good there; out of the non-Ro8 finishers:
CheckPrime 4 wins Idra, ogsTheWind, sanZenith 3 wins (all GSL1 qualifiers so 1 rank up there)
There are 10 with 2 wins (7 GSL1 qualifiers), 23 (13 GSL1 qualifiers) with 1 win.
As long as Idra qualifies and wins his Ro64 match he's pretty much S-Class if they follow rankings as it would take an completely implausible scenario for him to drop out (even if he then lost Ro32, it'd take 8 new Ro8 players; ogsTheWind and SanZenith making Ro32 but not Ro8; and 6 of 7 2-win GSL1 qualifiers making it to Ro16 and then losing to even force a tiebreak which only 1 player of 10 would miss).
There are a lot more scenarios if he doesn't qualify / make it past Ro64 but even then it would take a lot of the 2-win/1-win people qualifying and doing well while the current top 16 (Ro8 people + Check) don't, which isn't terribly likely. Once we're through qualifiers I'll take another look and maybe post everyone's ranks.
What I'm wondering is how they're going to fill A-Class, as it's apparently 32 S-Class, 64 A-Class, and they won't have 96 different people winning a match (currently 53). They might not even have 96 different people winning a map (currently 72). Maybe this is why GSL1 people have a leg up?
Edit: After re-reading the gomtv.net rank post, it seems that S1 qualifiers have a leg up in rankings, so my original thoughts above were slightly off. Edited to update. Also I had an extra 1 win person.
You can see a list of players in the hunt for S Class here. Check and IdrA are in great shape (I suspect Check may actually have clinched but without knowing the exact formula can't say for sure), but there's a lot of high profile players like oGsTOP, oGsMC, Clide, and SangHo who still have work to do.
Thing about Protoss is that no one else is better than NEXGenius (aside from Tester maybe but I don't know why he didn't qualify last time), and he's not at the level of Foxer/NesTea/Fruitdealer/HopeTorture just yet.
However, I think foreigners might have a chance to actually represent Protoss the best of all the races because it's so wide open.
Wish Fnatic would've sent TTOne over there too. Btw, where's Kiwi staying and who's he practicing with?
10:00AM is the registration times on Monday, followed by later time for later rounds. I'm not until the 6pm group for registration, which gives me enough time to finish teaching and get up to Seoul.
From what we've heard, there are only ~1500ish players this time, which is fewer than in season 2. That, and S2 had a lot of no-shows, makes me think they can more easily do two-days. Brackets would only have about 24 players in them to win through to the Ro64.
So many exciting players in the qualifiers. Might end up with a really solid Ro64.
Despite the front page poll, I'm rooting for INcontroL to make it through qualifiers. Even if he's knocked out in the Ro64 it'd just be plain cool to see him in it. Plus, he'll give one hell of an interview I'm sure
On November 15 2010 01:50 Peas wrote: I suppose the qualifiers arent being broadcasted or streamed anywhere? Can someone post a link to Artosis' twitter?
On November 15 2010 01:45 Acecool wrote: 10:00AM is the registration times on Monday, followed by later time for later rounds. I'm not until the 6pm group for registration, which gives me enough time to finish teaching and get up to Seoul.
From what we've heard, there are only ~1500ish players this time, which is fewer than in season 2. That, and S2 had a lot of no-shows, makes me think they can more easily do two-days. Brackets would only have about 24 players in them to win through to the Ro64.
I'm pretty much the opposite, haha. I have my qualifier matches at 11:00am so I can have enough time to go to work after :/ 외국 (wei-gook) hwaiting! Foreigners Fighting!
On November 15 2010 01:45 Acecool wrote: 10:00AM is the registration times on Monday, followed by later time for later rounds. I'm not until the 6pm group for registration, which gives me enough time to finish teaching and get up to Seoul.
From what we've heard, there are only ~1500ish players this time, which is fewer than in season 2. That, and S2 had a lot of no-shows, makes me think they can more easily do two-days. Brackets would only have about 24 players in them to win through to the Ro64.
I'm pretty much the opposite, haha. I have my qualifier matches at 11:00am so I can have enough time to go to work after :/ 외국 (wei-gook) hwaiting! Foreigners Fighting!
On November 15 2010 01:45 Acecool wrote: 10:00AM is the registration times on Monday, followed by later time for later rounds. I'm not until the 6pm group for registration, which gives me enough time to finish teaching and get up to Seoul.
From what we've heard, there are only ~1500ish players this time, which is fewer than in season 2. That, and S2 had a lot of no-shows, makes me think they can more easily do two-days. Brackets would only have about 24 players in them to win through to the Ro64.
I'm pretty much the opposite, haha. I have my qualifier matches at 11:00am so I can have enough time to go to work after :/ 외국 (wei-gook) hwaiting! Foreigners Fighting!
Hagwon, eh? Good stuff.
Yep yep, fairly easy and straight-forward job, and will be finished with my contract in a couple weeks and going back to the states after. Figure what better way to finish off Korea then to get owned in SC2 tourney...again -_- Still going to hope for at least one win, that would make my day. Guessing you have a uni gig or pub school?
Sorry for the newbie questions, but what is the format for the qualifiers? And what does it mean that Scrap Station is the "deciding map" (as mentioned earlier in this thread)?
On November 15 2010 02:23 RiOrius wrote: Sorry for the newbie questions, but what is the format for the qualifiers? And what does it mean that Scrap Station is the "deciding map" (as mentioned earlier in this thread)?
single elim, bo3. maps are game 1 metalopolis, game 2 scrap station, game 3 xel'naga caverns
Man, I reeeeeeally want to put a lot of money down on XLBet, but I've tried registering like 10 different times and always get an "Unknown Error" and my account won't create. =(
InControl 4.40 - holy caramba, my 3 bucks are on him! Cella not qualifying for 1.45 almost is safe bet ... sorry Cella I'm your biggest fan, but you are ill :[
Moving things along fast, damn! I hope the protoss do better this time. I think the pvt metagame is starting to favor toss a bit more with the 1gate fe build getting popularity. Most of the competition is terran too, so I have high hopes protoss in season 3.
I'm also really rooting for Loner. He'll show those Koreans why the Chinese have the reputation for the best work ethic in the world!
GSL2 was so awesome. I don't regret buying a ticket at all. I really hope all these foreigners qualify, but whatever happens this is going another awesome tourny!
EGIdrA Loner Artosis Tasteless LiquidRet LiquidJinro LiquidHuk Kiwikaki Sen LiquidHaypro TorcH SeleCT Just a suggestion perhaps you should have just like "Foreigner Hwaitings!!!" category with just foreigners, so people can just easily check up on that.
On November 14 2010 23:17 norlock wrote: Ey is Sjow going to participate in GSL 3? I mean in a interview he said that if he would be in shape he would go?
He isn't attending GSL 3. I think he opted to participate in Dreamhack instead.
On November 15 2010 06:41 pred470r wrote: We're all gonna rely on Artosis being the nerd paparazzi savior for us.
I was thinking about doing some coverage as well. I haven't played enough to be competitive in the tourney but I might consider going just to watch the prelims.
On November 15 2010 06:41 pred470r wrote: We're all gonna rely on Artosis being the nerd paparazzi savior for us.
I was thinking about doing some coverage as well. I haven't played enough to be competitive in the tourney but I might consider going just to watch the prelims.
I'm pretty sure that no one in this community is gonna complain if there's more coverage of the event
I hope a random player qualifies. Would be fun to have someone very unpredictable in the tournament. Also as many foreigners in would be nice as well. Hoping for a foreigner to get into the RO8 this season!
On November 15 2010 07:46 Artosis wrote: Leaving shortly to grab iNcontroL and head down to the event. Will be filming a TON and updating TL/my twitter as much as possible !
On November 15 2010 07:46 Artosis wrote: Leaving shortly to grab iNcontroL and head down to the event. Will be filming a TON and updating TL/my twitter as much as possible !
On November 15 2010 07:46 Artosis wrote: Leaving shortly to grab iNcontroL and head down to the event. Will be filming a TON and updating TL/my twitter as much as possible !
ARTOSIS! You, sir, just happen to be the most awesome, handsome nerd that exists on the planet. <3<3
On November 15 2010 07:46 Artosis wrote: Leaving shortly to grab iNcontroL and head down to the event. Will be filming a TON and updating TL/my twitter as much as possible !
Yo artosis, will any1 there be filming you filming? then we can watch a film of you filming, therefore, we can watch a film in a film.
edit: i got an idea for a handsome nerd tee-shirt but I won't say it on TL forums cuz then sum1 will ninja the idea.
On November 15 2010 07:46 Artosis wrote: Leaving shortly to grab iNcontroL and head down to the event. Will be filming a TON and updating TL/my twitter as much as possible !
On November 15 2010 07:46 Artosis wrote: Leaving shortly to grab iNcontroL and head down to the event. Will be filming a TON and updating TL/my twitter as much as possible !
Only a few hours to go. It's a shame there's not a live stream of some sort for this. Some sort of pre-game type video with some interviews and live results would be excellent
Still, I'm sure I'll be up way too late tonight hitting the ol' F5 button on this thread!
Oh I can't wait to have the results . I hope that a lot of liquid guys qualify , and incontrol as well ( so that we can have some awesomes interviews in the round of 64 :p.) So many big names though , we will certainly have some big upsets.
Edit: I forgot: i really really hope that Jinro is going to make it this time , he really sounds like a nice guy and after his win in Dallas it could give him some momentum.
On November 15 2010 07:46 Artosis wrote: Leaving shortly to grab iNcontroL and head down to the event. Will be filming a TON and updating TL/my twitter as much as possible !
Want lots of footage of incontrol+tasteless'
and it's gonna be lols in korea if incontrol qualifies
On November 15 2010 07:51 Parasite01 wrote: Naz, I thought you live in korea... Are you not participating for shits n giggles?
Where do people get this idea.. I was just in Korea for a while in the transition period of our players moving to Korea to establish the place our players would live at make sure they'd be comfortable etc. all of this is well documented nowhere on TL does it say I played anything besides the GSL1 qualifiers which happened to fall in this period. I'm genuinely interested where this is coming from as everyone on bnet asks me this question as well.
On November 15 2010 07:51 Parasite01 wrote: Naz, I thought you live in korea... Are you not participating for shits n giggles?
Where do people get this idea.. I was just in Korea for a while in the transition period of our players moving to Korea to establish the place our players would live at make sure they'd be comfortable etc. all of this is well documented nowhere on TL does it say I played anything besides the GSL1 qualifiers which happened to fall in this period. I'm genuinely interested where this is coming from as everyone on bnet asks me this question as well.
Problably people just don't read all the Team Liquid Weeklys, the thing is that you just notice when people think that you are in Korea, "no one" would care, or comment something (that's what i'm trying to say) about you being in Europe, so even if 95% of the community knows that you aren't in korea, you will only perceive the other part.
On November 15 2010 07:46 Artosis wrote: Leaving shortly to grab iNcontroL and head down to the event. Will be filming a TON and updating TL/my twitter as much as possible !
f*ck yeah! soooo looking forward to your videos!
Artosis=Awesome. Love those docu vids. Please troll on inc while he's qualie-ing. Its revenge time!
On November 15 2010 07:51 Parasite01 wrote: Naz, I thought you live in korea... Are you not participating for shits n giggles?
Where do people get this idea.. I was just in Korea for a while in the transition period of our players moving to Korea to establish the place our players would live at make sure they'd be comfortable etc. all of this is well documented nowhere on TL does it say I played anything besides the GSL1 qualifiers which happened to fall in this period. I'm genuinely interested where this is coming from as everyone on bnet asks me this question as well.
On November 15 2010 07:51 Parasite01 wrote: Naz, I thought you live in korea... Are you not participating for shits n giggles?
Where do people get this idea.. I was just in Korea for a while in the transition period of our players moving to Korea to establish the place our players would live at make sure they'd be comfortable etc. all of this is well documented nowhere on TL does it say I played anything besides the GSL1 qualifiers which happened to fall in this period. I'm genuinely interested where this is coming from as everyone on bnet asks me this question as well.
I was totally under the impression that you were living in Korea until now...guess it's the notion of you as team leader interfacing with Spunky
On November 15 2010 16:04 Wolf wrote: Whoa, Jinro and HayprO ! Great news. I'm happy for you guys. Really weird about Ensnare, though-- What was his group, I wonder ?
there was an error, jinro has yet to qualify.. he's still playing
On November 15 2010 16:04 Wolf wrote: Whoa, Jinro and HayprO ! Great news. I'm happy for you guys. Really weird about Ensnare, though-- What was his group, I wonder ?
oGsEnsnare was knocked out by his teammate oGsHero I believe
Qualifications are ongoing since 6 hours, it's 5pm KST and they are not even halfway through today's brackets. Look at those brackets, there are practically no byes. That's probably the doing of Boxer and Nada since their appearance last season pushed more players to SC2, but this is also going to be a problem. They will have to play until late night to finish the prelims on 2 days. Maybe some big name isn't used to playing that late and we will see some surprises in the korean evening/night hours
On November 15 2010 17:09 kojinshugi wrote: Artosis Dan Stemkoski control gets rushed hardddd first game but multi tasks counter proxy pylon so well and wins! 26 seconds ago
cant wait to see Moon play, fuck yea. Rainbow seems to be the most consistent player now though, hopefully he comes with some new strats and doesnt do the same thing everygame ,== lol.
Forgive me for being a noob and an ignorant TLO fan. Looking at the OP and skimming through what people have written in this thread I am baffled by the fact that no one has mentioned TLO. Is it because he is not participating in GSL3, if so does anyone know the reason for this? Thanks
On November 15 2010 19:47 DJ_Amal wrote: Forgive me for being a noob and an ignorant TLO fan. Looking at the OP and skimming through what people have written in this thread I am baffled by the fact that no one has mentioned TLO. Is it because he is not participating in GSL3, if so does anyone know the reason for this?
On November 15 2010 19:47 DJ_Amal wrote: Forgive me for being a noob and an ignorant TLO fan. Looking at the OP and skimming through what people have written in this thread I am baffled by the fact that no one has mentioned TLO. Is it because he is not participating in GSL3, if so does anyone know the reason for this? Thanks
He's going back to Europe and going to be competing there more.
Was a great day for Team Liquid, hopefully tomorrow will bring them the same results! Disappointed that Artosis didn't make it, but at least we get to see him commentate this all for us
Better luck next time Incontrol, I'm sure you impressed a lot of the haters at how well you did for your first attempt at qualifying.
On November 15 2010 22:00 mordk wrote: Damn, sangho eliminated, one more protoss hope gone :S.. comeon tester you can make it this time
God this is horrible, P is looking majorly screwed, InCa and SangHo out. P has like 5 good people and that's 2 of them that did not qualify, that's pretty sad :/
On November 15 2010 22:08 Kreb wrote: Isnt FruitDealer playing in GSL3? His name isnt anywhere on those lists.
I believe FruitDealer is auto-qualified for being S-Class or whatever.
S-class is not autoinvite for the open season. That will only have an effect for the later invitationals held by GOM (next year). The open seasons are there to determine who get the S-class. So you can basically say that these open seasons are preliminaries for next years invitationals.
Well, first day of prelims are almost over, so it looks like tomorrow will be STACKED of talent, with many, many very good players not making it... I'm kinda sad
On November 16 2010 00:07 Hellye wrote: lol at the number of protosss... this is getting ridiculous...
First 2 GSL had over 10% more protoss than zerg, quit crying.
From your post history telling other people not to cry is pretty rich.
Anyways I'm hoping for one of the lesser known protoss in this season to become successful rather than the old favorites to contribute to the rather stale gameplay of most protoss matches, hopefully involving some of the more underused units.
Im quite pleased to see the 2 players from Team Liquid that have been trying the GSL since Season 1 to finally get a break into the RO64.
Congrats to Haypro and Jinro and lets hope we get more non-koreans passing the pre-qualifiers on the following days.
Theres already several high profiled players eliminated on this first day...guess it shows how volatile the pro scene in Korea is atm and that theres still plenty of unrevealed players with potential to enter the GSL. Its bad for NaDa and Inca and other pro-gamers but its also a good sign that the player pool isnt stagnant in any way.
On November 16 2010 00:07 Hellye wrote: lol at the number of protosss... this is getting ridiculous...
First 2 GSL had over 10% more protoss than zerg, quit crying.
When Zerg was totally underrepresented, it was totally acceptable to complain. One race being poorly represented is always a bad thing. Its not like people are keeping score where "Well, since my race was good for a while, it should be bad for a while". It is in the best interest of everyone, not just the people who play that race, for a specific race to be equally represented.
On November 16 2010 00:41 TheResidentEvil wrote: Is Fruit dealer on that list somewhere?
Someone seems to ask this question on every page... 과일장수 = Fruit Dealer. He plays his qualifier tomorrow.
On November 16 2010 00:57 Escapist wrote: Im quite pleased to see the 2 players from Team Liquid that have been trying the GSL since Season 1 to finally get a break into the RO64.
HayprO didn't attend the first GSL qualifier? Agreed with regards to Jinro though, very happy to see him smashing it - illness and all!
On November 16 2010 00:57 Escapist wrote: Im quite pleased to see the 2 players from Team Liquid that have been trying the GSL since Season 1 to finally get a break into the RO64.
Congrats to Haypro and Jinro and lets hope we get more non-koreans passing the pre-qualifiers on the following days.
Theres already several high profiled players eliminated on this first day...guess it shows how volatile the pro scene in Korea is atm and that theres still plenty of unrevealed players with potential to enter the GSL. Its bad for NaDa and Inca and other pro-gamers but its also a good sign that the player pool isnt stagnant in any way.
To whoever is playing tomorrow, good luck!
Not that it matters, but HayPro has only tried for Season 2 and 3, he wasn't in Korea yet for season 1.
HuK and Ret play tomorrow though, good luck to them :D
2 foreigners already in with 6 more to play. Thats pretty sweet. Heck its 7 foreigners if you want to count Loner. If we get like 4-5 foreigners into the top 64 thats pretty impressive seeing as we only have about a dozen making the attempt. Best GSL ever!
being realistic I'm guessing 4 or 5 foriegners to GSL 3: Confirmed: Jinro/Haypro The remaining: Loner/Idra And a selection of huk/ret
Again I am sad to see the under representation of auir in the GSL, as much as TvZ is awesome umm can we see om PvX instead of mirrors in the quarters and upwards?
Nerdgasm if Tasteless takes the cake.
EDIT: HURR DURR tester is korean, and TLO is in europe
Cella has to make it to the Ro64 just so the korean announcers try to say his name,
On November 16 2010 01:35 red_hq wrote: being realistic I'm guessing 4 or 5 foriegners to GSL 3: Confirmed: Jinro/Haypro The remaining: Loner/Idra And a selection of huk/ret/select/tester
Again I am sad to see the under representation of auir in the GSL, as much as TvZ is awesome umm can we see om PvX instead of mirrors in the quarters and upwards?
On November 16 2010 01:35 red_hq wrote: being realistic I'm guessing 4 or 5 foriegners to GSL 3: Confirmed: Jinro/Haypro The remaining: Loner/Idra And a selection of huk/ret/select/tester
Again I am sad to see the under representation of auir in the GSL, as much as TvZ is awesome umm can we see om PvX instead of mirrors in the quarters and upwards?
Nerdgasm if Tasteless takes the cake.
Also where's TLO?
Tester is Korean.
hurr durr I'm so dumb also Cella HAS TO make it to the Ro64 just so people try to say his name EDIT: so is select lol that short list was favored players thought they sounded non-foreignery not sure what that short list is for, Idra and loner are lacking from it.
Man it looks like this is going to be another crappy GSL for Protoss. The only redeeming thing is that we'll probably have more foreigners to cheer for.
Moon qualified despite being a very occasional SC2 player, guy is soooo talented. I hope he makes the switch from WC3 when he sees how awesome GSL is in person.
On November 16 2010 02:36 stratanic wrote: there just 2 day for GSL3 I thnik... it mean there less player for this prelims?
Fewer players, but also virtually no no-shows due to a much more rigorous sign-up procedure, so I hear it is about the same number of people actually competing, but the brackets are much more dense.
Also, they are doing 2 days of qualifiers instead of 4.
Beginning to look like BW with a bunch of zergs, bunch of terrans, and very limited protoss.
But all it takes is one standout to represent Aiur. FD was able to do it in Season 1 for the swarm. Hopefully someone steps up for Protoss and carries this home like Reach did back in the days.
On November 16 2010 02:59 Roffles wrote: Beginning to look like BW with a bunch of zergs, bunch of terrans, and very limited protoss.
But all it takes is one standout to represent Aiur. FD was able to do it in Season 1 for the swarm. Hopefully someone steps up for Protoss and carries this home like Reach did back in the days.
It's a shame all of our fav foreigners can't/don't make it, I was personally hoping incontrol would make it, if only because he is one of the more vocal players I find which means as fans we would have gotten an overall better insight into the whole experience.
I guess I'd also like a foreigner Protoss to cheer for... Hope Huk comes through and qualifies, I'm sure he can do it.
On November 16 2010 02:59 Roffles wrote: Beginning to look like BW with a bunch of zergs, bunch of terrans, and very limited protoss.
But all it takes is one standout to represent Aiur. FD was able to do it in Season 1 for the swarm. Hopefully someone steps up for Protoss and carries this home like Reach did back in the days.
On November 16 2010 02:59 Roffles wrote: Beginning to look like BW with a bunch of zergs, bunch of terrans, and very limited protoss.
But all it takes is one standout to represent Aiur. FD was able to do it in Season 1 for the swarm. Hopefully someone steps up for Protoss and carries this home like Reach did back in the days.
wow.. i knew protoss was bad atm but this is turning out too be even worse than when zerg was bad.
its also a bit funny when zerg was bad protoss players agreed but now that the roles are reversed zerg players just laugh and say protoss players suck : )
I know this wont be well received, but here it goes:
I'm not a big fan of HuK at all. Something about his attitude and rampant fanboy following doesn't sit right with me. But after looking at Day 1 results, and the disappointingly low amount of protoss players, I really want more Protoss to qualify. I also would love for SC2 to have a much bigger pool of nations playing in the big tournaments, rather than it being a "guess which Korean will obliterate everyone else." USA, Canada, anywhere in Europe, Africa, South America, you name it ffs. I just want to see it truly be a gigantic international tournament. The more foreigners, the more enjoyable the tournament will be.
On November 16 2010 06:41 toadstool wrote: ogs inca and sangho, 2 of the top protoss didn't even qualify
that's ridiculous
Neither have many other top non-Protoss players. This early in the game's life plenty of great players are emerging from the woodwork (for example, see: BoxeR, NesTea) so upsets are kind of expected.
On November 16 2010 06:34 grieve wrote: I know this wont be well received, but here it goes:
I'm not a big fan of HuK at all. Something about his attitude and rampant fanboy following doesn't sit right with me. But after looking at Day 1 results, and the disappointingly low amount of protoss players, I really want more Protoss to qualify. I also would love for SC2 to have a much bigger pool of nations playing in the big tournaments, rather than it being a "guess which Korean will obliterate everyone else." USA, Canada, anywhere in Europe, Africa, South America, you name it ffs. I just want to see it truly be a gigantic international tournament. The more foreigners, the more enjoyable the tournament will be.
With all that said...
Liquid`HuK fighting!!!
What are you talking about? Huk is amazing "and you....because you're hot". He doesn't take the game too seriously because it's just a game, but he's pretty awesome at it and works hard.
This gave me a random thought so i wrote this up.
Dragonball z comparison Huk is goku (maybe doesn't show off his intelligence, but his hard work will pay him huge dividends in the end). Idra is vegeta (the guy you don't like initially, but grow to admire for his commitment) Jinro is krillen (maybe not the most skilled, but works hard, can't sometimes surprise you) Haypro is yamcha (kinda underrated, kinda overrated, but never gives up) TLO is goten (relatively new, but has a huge potential, also kinda cute in an anime type of way) Ret is gohan (who has inborn skill that just needs to be brought out during tournaments) Nazgul is yajarobi (because he organized the team and because he knocked idra out of a tournament *a reference to yajarobi cutting off vegeta's tail*). InControl is King Kai (has a ton of experience and is good, makes a lot of jokes, likes to teach) Artosis is master Roshi (stalking girls, experienced, teaches a lot of noobs) Tasteless is the announcer guy (loves the game, probably won't be a pro) Day9 is Supreme Kai (knows a ton, is pretty good, but needs practice if he wishes to compete, most people still refer to him as an ultimate authority for basic stuff.)
On November 16 2010 06:34 grieve wrote: I know this wont be well received, but here it goes:
I'm not a big fan of HuK at all. Something about his attitude and rampant fanboy following doesn't sit right with me. But after looking at Day 1 results, and the disappointingly low amount of protoss players, I really want more Protoss to qualify. I also would love for SC2 to have a much bigger pool of nations playing in the big tournaments, rather than it being a "guess which Korean will obliterate everyone else." USA, Canada, anywhere in Europe, Africa, South America, you name it ffs. I just want to see it truly be a gigantic international tournament. The more foreigners, the more enjoyable the tournament will be.
With all that said...
Liquid`HuK fighting!!!
What are you talking about? Huk is amazing "and you....because you're hot". He doesn't take the game too seriously because it's just a game, but he's pretty awesome at it and works hard.
This gave me a random thought so i wrote this up.
Dragonball z comparison Huk is goku (maybe doesn't show off his intelligence, but his hard work will pay him huge dividends in the end). Idra is vegeta (the guy you don't like initially, but grow to admire for his commitment) Jinro is krillen (maybe not the most skilled, but works hard, can't sometimes surprise you) Haypro is yamcha (kinda underrated, kinda overrated, but never gives up) TLO is goten (relatively new, but has a huge potential, also kinda cute in an anime type of way) Ret is gohan (who has inborn skill that just needs to be brought out during tournaments) Nazgul is yajarobi (because he organized the team and because he knocked idra out of a tournament *a reference to yajarobi cutting off vegeta's tail*). InControl is King Kai (has a ton of experience and is good, makes a lot of jokes, likes to teach) Artosis is master Roshi (stalking girls, experienced, teaches a lot of noobs) Tasteless is the announcer guy (loves the game, probably won't be a pro) Day9 is Supreme Kai (knows a ton, is pretty good, but needs practice if he wishes to compete, most people still refer to him as an ultimate authority for basic stuff.)
All love for team liquid, MYM, team EG, and day9
If someone drew this that would be amazing
Wow... you should blog this/whisper some of the art people this idea. Maybe you can get disciple on board haha
On November 16 2010 06:34 grieve wrote: I know this wont be well received, but here it goes:
I'm not a big fan of HuK at all. Something about his attitude and rampant fanboy following doesn't sit right with me. But after looking at Day 1 results, and the disappointingly low amount of protoss players, I really want more Protoss to qualify. I also would love for SC2 to have a much bigger pool of nations playing in the big tournaments, rather than it being a "guess which Korean will obliterate everyone else." USA, Canada, anywhere in Europe, Africa, South America, you name it ffs. I just want to see it truly be a gigantic international tournament. The more foreigners, the more enjoyable the tournament will be.
With all that said...
Liquid`HuK fighting!!!
What are you talking about? Huk is amazing "and you....because you're hot". He doesn't take the game too seriously because it's just a game, but he's pretty awesome at it and works hard.
This gave me a random thought so i wrote this up.
Dragonball z comparison Huk is goku (maybe doesn't show off his intelligence, but his hard work will pay him huge dividends in the end). Idra is vegeta (the guy you don't like initially, but grow to admire for his commitment) Jinro is krillen (maybe not the most skilled, but works hard, can't sometimes surprise you) Haypro is yamcha (kinda underrated, kinda overrated, but never gives up) TLO is goten (relatively new, but has a huge potential, also kinda cute in an anime type of way) Ret is gohan (who has inborn skill that just needs to be brought out during tournaments) Nazgul is yajarobi (because he organized the team and because he knocked idra out of a tournament *a reference to yajarobi cutting off vegeta's tail*). InControl is King Kai (has a ton of experience and is good, makes a lot of jokes, likes to teach) Artosis is master Roshi (stalking girls, experienced, teaches a lot of noobs) Tasteless is the announcer guy (loves the game, probably won't be a pro) Day9 is Supreme Kai (knows a ton, is pretty good, but needs practice if he wishes to compete, most people still refer to him as an ultimate authority for basic stuff.)
All love for team liquid, MYM, team EG, and day9
If someone drew this that would be amazing
Wow... you should blog this/whisper some of the art people this idea. Maybe you can get disciple on board haha
On November 16 2010 06:34 grieve wrote: I know this wont be well received, but here it goes:
I'm not a big fan of HuK at all. Something about his attitude and rampant fanboy following doesn't sit right with me. But after looking at Day 1 results, and the disappointingly low amount of protoss players, I really want more Protoss to qualify. I also would love for SC2 to have a much bigger pool of nations playing in the big tournaments, rather than it being a "guess which Korean will obliterate everyone else." USA, Canada, anywhere in Europe, Africa, South America, you name it ffs. I just want to see it truly be a gigantic international tournament. The more foreigners, the more enjoyable the tournament will be.
With all that said...
Liquid`HuK fighting!!!
What are you talking about? Huk is amazing "and you....because you're hot". He doesn't take the game too seriously because it's just a game, but he's pretty awesome at it and works hard.
This gave me a random thought so i wrote this up.
Dragonball z comparison Huk is goku (maybe doesn't show off his intelligence, but his hard work will pay him huge dividends in the end). Idra is vegeta (the guy you don't like initially, but grow to admire for his commitment) Jinro is krillen (maybe not the most skilled, but works hard, can't sometimes surprise you) Haypro is yamcha (kinda underrated, kinda overrated, but never gives up) TLO is goten (relatively new, but has a huge potential, also kinda cute in an anime type of way) Ret is gohan (who has inborn skill that just needs to be brought out during tournaments) Nazgul is yajarobi (because he organized the team and because he knocked idra out of a tournament *a reference to yajarobi cutting off vegeta's tail*). InControl is King Kai (has a ton of experience and is good, makes a lot of jokes, likes to teach) Artosis is master Roshi (stalking girls, experienced, teaches a lot of noobs) Tasteless is the announcer guy (loves the game, probably won't be a pro) Day9 is Supreme Kai (knows a ton, is pretty good, but needs practice if he wishes to compete, most people still refer to him as an ultimate authority for basic stuff.)
All love for team liquid, MYM, team EG, and day9
If someone drew this that would be amazing
Wow... you should blog this/whisper some of the art people this idea. Maybe you can get disciple on board haha
Haha alright, i'll make a blog Post.
Ok i made a blog post, changed the characters to fit a little more
Inca, sangho.. even legalmind were better than any of the protoss who actually qualified... Ok so apparently MC is a don but his performances have been pretty bad so far, seems he has a weakness for cheese. I really can only see sSKS doing anything for the toss this season (I'm not a huge fan of NexGenius so far, just hasn't shown he's on the level of sSKS); I hope like hell tester qualifies. Otherwise I might as well back the foreigners - Jinro fighting!
ogsTop got knocked out twice, man. He really didnt recover from FD stomp.
He did though which is the weird thing. After season 1 in the korean team championship Top all killed TSL: fruitdealer, tester, and clide 3-0. He just cant seem to qualify for GSL again.
Did Moon really change over to Zerg from Terran? I always thought that race suited him considering his playstyle in War3. Glad he made the switch and qualified.
On November 16 2010 09:22 edhead999 wrote: So sad that all these big names aren't qualifying =\
Why? I hate this kind of attitude. It makes the assumption that the only good Starcraft players are those players that people have already heard of. It was wrong in SC1 and it is even more wrong at this stage of SC2. No one in the world would have picked Foxer and NesTea to be the GSL2 finalists, but look, they made it, and they gave us an exciting tournament along the way. There is little reason to believe season 3 will be any different. Just because Nada and Ensnare failed to qualify doesn't mean this tournament will be any less awesome.
On November 16 2010 09:22 edhead999 wrote: So sad that all these big names aren't qualifying =\
Why? I hate this kind of attitude. It makes the assumption that the only good Starcraft players are those players that people have already heard of. It was wrong in SC1 and it is even more wrong at this stage of SC2. No one in the world would have picked Foxer and NesTea to be the GSL2 finalists, but look, they made it, and they gave us an exciting tournament along the way. There is little reason to believe season 3 will be any different. Just because Nada and Ensnare failed to qualify doesn't mean this tournament will be any less awesome.
I think people just want big names to qualify so that there is some sort of continuity between seasons. Fans get attached to players for all sorts of reasons, but if there's a different set of players every single season then it's not much supporting anyone, as the players you like may not even get into the finals.
I mean, that's why everyone is upset about NaDa not qualifying - because they already know and love him.
I'm pretty psyched for tomorrow's qualifiers. I *really* hope HuK gets in, just so he gets a bit of a confidence boost, and more importantly time to practice in Korea. Obviously he's gonna practice whether he qualifies or not, but I think he'll improve really quickly if he qualifies and feels confident.
I don't see why so many people are complaining about protoss right now. The fact of the matter is that there aren't as many good Protoss players playing as there are good Zergs and Terrans. MC HongUn Eternal and anypro already qualified. Perhaps the people to beat inCa and BabyByeBye are going to show some really good results vs top Terrans and Zergs as well? Plus we still have Genius Ace and sSKS who need to qualify. Idc if people don't like Genius, he's one of the best hopes for Protoss so deal with it.
On November 16 2010 09:22 edhead999 wrote: So sad that all these big names aren't qualifying =\
Why? I hate this kind of attitude. It makes the assumption that the only good Starcraft players are those players that people have already heard of. It was wrong in SC1 and it is even more wrong at this stage of SC2. No one in the world would have picked Foxer and NesTea to be the GSL2 finalists, but look, they made it, and they gave us an exciting tournament along the way. There is little reason to believe season 3 will be any different. Just because Nada and Ensnare failed to qualify doesn't mean this tournament will be any less awesome.
I think people just want big names to qualify so that there is some sort of continuity between seasons. Fans get attached to players for all sorts of reasons, but if there's a different set of players every single season then it's not much supporting anyone, as the players you like may not even get into the finals.
....
This is the reason SC2 will need something like proleague format to really be a success. Both in NA and Korea. IMO.
On November 16 2010 13:05 DaemonX wrote: I agree about there being exciting new people, and I agree that failing to qualify doesn't mean you're bad (look at last season).
But I'm still disappointed not to see NaDa in, considering the quality of play we saw from him last season. I wonder who knocked him out?
On November 16 2010 11:49 Shinta) wrote: I don't see why so many people are complaining about protoss right now. The fact of the matter is that there aren't as many good Protoss players playing as there are good Zergs and Terrans. MC HongUn Eternal and anypro already qualified. Perhaps the people to beat inCa and BabyByeBye are going to show some really good results vs top Terrans and Zergs as well? Plus we still have Genius Ace and sSKS who need to qualify. Idc if people don't like Genius, he's one of the best hopes for Protoss so deal with it.
So why do you think there aren't as many good Toss players as Zerg and Terran? It's not a player restriction either.
On November 16 2010 11:49 Shinta) wrote: I don't see why so many people are complaining about protoss right now. The fact of the matter is that there aren't as many good Protoss players playing as there are good Zergs and Terrans. MC HongUn Eternal and anypro already qualified. Perhaps the people to beat inCa and BabyByeBye are going to show some really good results vs top Terrans and Zergs as well? Plus we still have Genius Ace and sSKS who need to qualify. Idc if people don't like Genius, he's one of the best hopes for Protoss so deal with it.
This isn't really the thread to discuss it, but did you see Sangho's play last GSL? He is a phenomenal player.
On November 16 2010 11:49 Shinta) wrote: I don't see why so many people are complaining about protoss right now. The fact of the matter is that there aren't as many good Protoss players playing as there are good Zergs and Terrans. MC HongUn Eternal and anypro already qualified. Perhaps the people to beat inCa and BabyByeBye are going to show some really good results vs top Terrans and Zergs as well? Plus we still have Genius Ace and sSKS who need to qualify. Idc if people don't like Genius, he's one of the best hopes for Protoss so deal with it.
That is the samething that was said about Zerg when Zerg were considered "UP", fact of the matter is, the same Zerg players who weren't considered "good enough" are the very same Top Zerg players now.There hasn't been a single new face to Zerg.
On November 16 2010 11:49 Shinta) wrote: I don't see why so many people are complaining about protoss right now.
probably cause you dont play protoss
Let me guess, you're one of the real Protoss players that is too busy complaining that they can't realize that they don't even have a legitimate reason to complain. Toss is in general weaker atm, they will be patched in the future. The champion of GSL during the time of zerg's weakness was a Zerg, the same could happen if a really good starcraft 2 player who plays Protoss emerges, however nobody has yet proven to be that immensely good and play Protoss at the same time. Speaking of GSL though, some top toss players lost, other (probably more accomplished) players are either already in it or still needing to qualify. There are so many top players fighting to stay on top but failing because there is so much new talent coming in. It's not just Protoss that's losing.
Because you are one of the guys that's too busy to realize the bigger picture, I went ahead and described it for you. I hope you are enlightened after reading it.
Even though i am a protoss player I don't mind that there aren't as many qualifying. Protoss matchups are kinda stale right now. DTs are becoming a bit more popular but stargate units are getting more and more rare. The only time i would use them would be to tank with colossus but thors can't be feedbacked now. I can barely stand to play because PvP and PvT have gotten boring, and I don't think there is a solid macro build vs zerg atm.
On November 16 2010 11:49 Shinta) wrote: I don't see why so many people are complaining about protoss right now.
probably cause you dont play protoss
Let me guess, you're one of the real Protoss players that is too busy complaining that they can't realize that they don't even have a legitimate reason to complain. Toss is in general weaker atm, they will be patched in the future. The champion of GSL during the time of zerg's weakness was a Zerg, the same could happen if a really good starcraft 2 player who plays Protoss emerges, however nobody has yet proven to be that immensely good and play Protoss at the same time. Speaking of GSL though, some top toss players lost, other (probably more accomplished) players are either already in it or still needing to qualify. There are so many top players fighting to stay on top but failing because there is so much new talent coming in. It's not just Protoss that's losing.
Because you are one of the guys that's too busy to realize the bigger picture, I went ahead and described it for you. I hope you are enlightened after reading it.
Shut up! Look around. This is a god damn R&S Thread. Keep that in the strategy section.
Is ST.Monster=JulyZerg? It said July was playing, but doesn't say what his I.D., he is no longer FantaPrime, he is on team ST, and Monster is the only other player besides ST.Superstar who we know is NOT July.
On November 16 2010 17:55 ZapRoffo wrote: The length of the protoss list is depressing.
Seriously, the other lists are growing and growing...
It's funny because all the top players (even ones who aren't qualifying) don't really complain about the balance of the race. They mostly just feel like it needs developing/better playing.
I'm super excited to see the one random guy play, hopefully he makes it to at least a bo5 round so we can see it come into play.. but i've never heard of him so i doubt it haha
like some Blizzard dude said, it's not important how many Protoss qualified for a big tournament to make a statement on the balance it's important to see how they lost.
and you can bet that Tester will get cheesed in every game because everybody knows him
On November 16 2010 22:38 rattus22 wrote: There is a whole lot of green under "Significant Players Who Did Not Qualify" sigh................
There are 17 toss who have failed to qualify. There are 19 terran who have failed to qualify. Obviously there are simply a lot more Terrans in the preliminaries than there are Protoss, which should give you the "disadvantage" you take Protoss to be at. Likewise, it seems that zerg has more players as well.
On November 16 2010 22:38 rattus22 wrote: There is a whole lot of green under "Significant Players Who Did Not Qualify" sigh................
There are 17 toss who have failed to qualify. There are 19 terran who have failed to qualify. Obviously there are simply a lot more Terrans in the preliminaries than there are Protoss, which should give you the "disadvantage" you take Protoss to be at. Likewise, it seems that zerg has more players as well.
Someone posted this in the other thread for today's qualifying:
Each season seems to pass by quickly and now only the Finals are left for GSL Season 2. The Season 3 Preliminaries will be next week on Nov. 15th and 16th.
The maps for the Preliminary Rounds are, Set 1 : Xel’Naga Caverns Set 2 : Metalopolis Set 3 : Scrap Station
The proportions for each race are, Terran : 39.5% Protoss : 33% Zerg : 23.9% Random : 3.6%
The matches will be best of 3 matches. We hope that everyone coming over for the preliminaries does well and have fun participating.
I have a feeling map pool played a really really big role on who/what did and did not qualify. But - looking @ the list, looks like a beast. Can't wait for GSL 3.
I'd be really interested in some statistics. Like the total race distribution (all people who participated) and the race distribution of people who are considered as "high level" and participated. So we could gather some data in relativity to participants.
For example the ro64 list looks awful with only 12 P in. But as for the notable player list there was a total of 29 P. Compared to T in the list: 24 qualified, 19 out -> total 43 T.
Edit: Btw I know, there are some people missing. I just used it as an example to make my point more clear.
pretty sad to see all these foreigners knocked out even before we can see them in action...
even the qualif seem to be pretty hard to pass, maybe they should start the GSL at RO128 now with all the new talented players going there. I wouldnt mind them casting only half the games at this round, as long as we get to see out heroes!
On November 16 2010 22:55 CursedFeanor wrote: pretty sad to see all these foreigners knocked out even before we can see them in action...
even the qualif seem to be pretty hard to pass, maybe they should start the GSL at RO128 now with all the new talented players going there. I wouldnt mind them casting only half the games at this round, as long as we get to see out heroes!
On November 16 2010 22:38 rattus22 wrote: There is a whole lot of green under "Significant Players Who Did Not Qualify" sigh................
There are 17 toss who have failed to qualify. There are 19 terran who have failed to qualify. Obviously there are simply a lot more Terrans in the preliminaries than there are Protoss, which should give you the "disadvantage" you take Protoss to be at. Likewise, it seems that zerg has more players as well.
Someone posted this in the other thread for today's qualifying:
Each season seems to pass by quickly and now only the Finals are left for GSL Season 2. The Season 3 Preliminaries will be next week on Nov. 15th and 16th.
The maps for the Preliminary Rounds are, Set 1 : Xel’Naga Caverns Set 2 : Metalopolis Set 3 : Scrap Station
The proportions for each race are, Terran : 39.5% Protoss : 33% Zerg : 23.9% Random : 3.6%
The matches will be best of 3 matches. We hope that everyone coming over for the preliminaries does well and have fun participating.
Thank you.
GOMtv.net
Yea, I see your point, but those statistics are just statistics BEFORE the players show up So, in the end, there might have been a far lower percentage of protoss showing up, and a higher one of T / Z, I'm not sure. I don't understand this all too well. Would like to see the numbers though, of each race in the preliminaries, as opposed to the percentage, to get a better picture of it.
looking at who's qualified already, i think that idra is already guaranteed s-class status. no huge surprise given his previous results but it's nice to know
Cool, I was just about to make these myself, thanks for your effort.
All balance-QQ aside for one moment, I just like to state that protoss now has officially the lowest number of representatives percentage-wise OF ALL 3 GSL - worse than zerg in GSL 1 where everybody was "omfg zerg suxx wtf blizz fuuu". Therefore I think it's a bit funny how much resentments you still see around here if people complain about toss weakness, especially by zergs....give us a break for once will you? We had to endure your balance-QQ for 2 whole months for crying out loud!
Protoss isn't weak at all, honestly they're not playing it right. The problem with that statement I just said is unfortunate that it's true. No one is standing out and no one is coming up with crazygood strats in GSL. The funny thing is they have a whole bunch of tools at their disposal.
Cool, I was just about to make these myself, thanks for your effort.
All balance-QQ aside for one moment, I just like to state that protoss now has officially the lowest number of representatives percentage-wise OF ALL 3 GSL - worse than zerg in GSL 1 where everybody was "omfg zerg suxx wtf blizz fuuu". Therefore I think it's a bit funny how much resentments you still see around here if people complain about toss weakness, especially by zergs....give us a break for once will you? We had to endure your balance-QQ for 2 whole months for crying out loud!
I think the main problem is that tosses can't really articulate why they're losing. With zergs early on, ZvT weakness could be explained by the fact that Terrans had a wide variety of early-game options, and Zergs could not scout to figure out which option they needed to prepare against. ZvP was a little more complicated, but the main gripe from Zergs was that Protosses' very early game options (zealot pressure/cannon rush) kept Zerg at a disadvantage from the beginning, and Protosses were able to use forcefields and colossi to demolish any Zerg army short of Ultras in an engagement.
I haven't heard a similar level of detailed argument from Tosses as to why PvZ and PvT are currently difficult. So while the QQing of Zergs was given a lot of respect, Protoss QQ will probably be written off until someone steps up and develops a theory as to why Toss is UP.
On November 17 2010 00:02 CidO wrote: Protoss isn't weak at all, honestly they're not playing it right. The problem with that statement I just said is unfortunate that it's true. No one is standing out and no one is coming up with crazygood strats in GSL. The funny thing is they have a whole bunch of tools at their disposal.
at the moment I feel like protoss just needs more of a harass tool, like reavers in brood war. As soon as something is figured out, hopefully it can turn around a little bit, but at the moment we're so straight forward attack with a brute army.
On November 17 2010 00:02 CidO wrote: Protoss isn't weak at all, honestly they're not playing it right. The problem with that statement I just said is unfortunate that it's true. No one is standing out and no one is coming up with crazygood strats in GSL. The funny thing is they have a whole bunch of tools at their disposal.
at the moment I feel like protoss just needs more of a harass tool, like reavers in brood war. As soon as something is figured out, hopefully it can turn around a little bit, but at the moment we're so straight forward attack with a brute army.
Unfortunately both the colossus and immortal drops were nerfed which makes it difficult to pull off.
The top players though seem to think it is more about the gimmicky nature of there defense. I missed FF at the beginning can mean you just lose so you seem to have less room for errors.
On topic: I counted 5 foreigners qualifying (Idra Fighting) I am sad though that none of the Chinese players made it. I would have liked to see Loner play again to draw in more Chinese fans. It seems though that china may count Sen (in one of the national tournaments I think he played under the Chinese flag). If so then maybe he can take this and help involve them in Esports.
On November 17 2010 00:03 motbob wrote: I haven't heard a similar level of detailed argument from Tosses as to why PvZ and PvT are currently difficult. So while the QQing of Zergs was given a lot of respect, Protoss QQ will probably be written off until someone steps up and develops a theory as to why Toss is UP.
This is very true, nevertheless I'm convinced that it's indeed much more complicated with Toss - Toss suffer from a huge variety of "small" stuff, while not having any "obvious" problem. Therefore many people try to QQ about many different stuff, which makes toss seem like crybabies who like to complain about everything.
But while changing "everything" certainly isn't a valid option, ppl need to understand that it's all those "little" things that lead to problems when combined.
Just to name the mule: in theory perfectly fine, evens up chrono-boosting probes. Nevertheless it allows for insane comebacks, allows for mineral-boosting like crazy when a CC is lifted to the gold, etc. You can't really "articulate" it, or even found it with theory-craft, because theory-craft tells us that's fine. Nevertheless after losing games due to Terran comebacks after having lost countless SCVs, this is definitely something worth considering. Also the general problem of zealots being awsome when they "can" hit and being crappy when they can NOT. Balancing melee units in general is extremely difficult. But one problem of zealots vs terran is, that even with charge zealots still require perfect positioning AND force-fields, otherwise they just die without doing any damage..like...at all. Then there is the problem of the huge variety of terran timing-pushs - none of these timing-pushs is incredibly overpowered in "itself", it's the problem that terran can play standard an be fine while ALSO having many timing-pushs protoss has to account for in his gaming-plan. Terran doesn't have to account for anything except a 4-gate. Again, how do you articulate this? By claiming each one of these timing pushes is OP? Most definitely not. By claiming only one of those is OP? Doesn't touch the core of the problem....
EDIT: just realized that I wasn't posting in the "why is protoss doing so bad..."-thread, SORRY, didn't want to ruin this thread!
On November 17 2010 00:13 50bani wrote: Maybe Scrap Station as the third map was not such a great idea...
This, in the interviews, some zerg players said they were basically banking on the third set to save their asses... Also I feel scrap station is a very good timing attack map for terran, which may be why players like HuK or Tester lost... so sad sigh
Metalopolis can be a zerg map if long distance by ground, wich it is at least 50%, and scrap station is the most zerg based map, ever.
I would like to see statistics about how many zerg players qualified with Long Distance in Metalopolis, then Scrap.
Of course, if the maps where Lost Temple, Kulas and Steppes there would be, maybe, 5 zergs so maps are the most important factor to balance, right now.
On November 17 2010 00:22 Tiny.pat wrote: Scrap Station really killed many P´s, almost every Protoss went 1:2 which is really sad. Could be another gsl without a P in the ro4
This is one underlying cause. I think without Scrap station being map 3, prot may still be slightly underrepresented, but this was the real killer. Map 3 should have been xelnaga or something considered balanced for all races.
Scrap was the cause of the mass amount of zerg players qualifying, but I want to know what other map they could have used without one race crying imba.
On November 17 2010 01:32 fishinguy wrote: Scrap was the cause of the mass amount of zerg players qualifying, but I want to know what other map they could have used without one race crying imba.
Sands Temple DQ Steppes Shakuras Basin
All these maps had a "favored" race
This.
I think they genuinely tried, Xel Naga and Metal are arguably the most balanced maps and they were the first 2. The tie breaker was going to be favored for someone.
On November 17 2010 01:32 fishinguy wrote: Scrap was the cause of the mass amount of zerg players qualifying, but I want to know what other map they could have used without one race crying imba.
Sands Temple DQ Steppes Shakuras Basin
All these maps had a "favored" race
Why not just XN first map and loser picks
Koreans never do loser picks.
I think that XC-Meta-Shakuras may have been better than scrap.
On November 17 2010 01:32 fishinguy wrote: Scrap was the cause of the mass amount of zerg players qualifying, but I want to know what other map they could have used without one race crying imba.
Sands Temple DQ Steppes Shakuras Basin
All these maps had a "favored" race
Why not just XN first map and loser picks
Slows the process down?
What maps were used for the last season qualifiers, could it explain the lack of toss this time around?
edit: Shakuras should have been in there. For some reason forgot about it but it seems more balanced than even metal because there is less spawn variability.
On November 17 2010 01:30 brimur wrote: Still no sign of Tasteless, did he decide not to enter in the end?
Yep I'm wondering as well. His twitter seems bugged (shows stuff typed 9minutes ago for like 9 hours now). Anyway, his name is nowhere to be found on gomtv ( http://www.gomtv.net/news/272/0 or http://www.gomtv.net/news/267/0) so in case he competed I don't think he qualified.
Okay, now let's look at race distribution across all 3 seasons of GSL: - 74 39% - 58 30% - 59 31% (rounded this one up) - 1 1% (rounded this one down)
As for maps, they should just play a Bo3 exclusively on Metal.
What this statistic is missing is that we've run through a couple of patches and a lot of metagame changes in the meantime.
Though for the variety and entertainment I wished to see a more balanced bracket. I think what made GSL2 in the end a bit less entertaining was the pure TvZ matchup row. Seeing this makes me doubt that it will be any difference in this 3rd season, 1 or less P in the Ro8...
Its true that discussing balance issues at this state of the game, where it is already surprisingly well balanced excluding some minor issues, is very very hard. It could also be a leak of Protoss idols who show off strengths and weakness of a solid P play and how to use it.
I refuse to believe that these are the official brackets. The odds of such pairs of players getting grouped together by random chance is... well basically incredibly small and I am PRAYING we don't see Liquid v Liquid, GSL1 Champ vs GSL2 Champ Ro64, Boxer v Foxer round 32, etc/
Come on. If there is a God, these brackets will be found to be false.
Look at the order of the players listed here and then check the order of the 2nd half of the listed brackets. They are identical. I doubt Gom is going to leave it like that.
On November 17 2010 01:32 fishinguy wrote: Scrap was the cause of the mass amount of zerg players qualifying, but I want to know what other map they could have used without one race crying imba.
Sands Temple DQ Steppes Shakuras Basin
All these maps had a "favored" race
This.
I think they genuinely tried, Xel Naga and Metal are arguably the most balanced maps and they were the first 2. The tie breaker was going to be favored for someone.
Then the fix would have been to throw two 'imba' maps first, and have the tie break on a fair map.
Go with something like DQ, Temple, Metalo.
But their choice might force Blizzard to update the map pool, which is good in itself.
Looking at the number of Protoss Player is horribly depressing 2:2:1 ratio !? are you serious!? I've always thought the game was fairly balanced and I still think so but man... this is depressing. Has T and Z innovation really soared that much higher than the collective minds of Aiur!? This is deeply disturbing to me, I would love to see something more balanced in terms of player count because to be entirely honest this makes me somewhat jaded and disinterested in S3 GSL :/
On November 17 2010 01:32 fishinguy wrote: Scrap was the cause of the mass amount of zerg players qualifying, but I want to know what other map they could have used without one race crying imba.
On November 17 2010 01:55 MagnusHyperion wrote: Looking at the number of Protoss Player is horribly depressing 2:2:1 ratio !? are you serious!? I've always thought the game was fairly balanced and I still think so but man... this is depressing. Has T and Z innovation really soared that much higher than the collective minds of Aiur!? This is deeply disturbing to me, I would love to see something more balanced in terms of player count because to be entirely honest this makes me somewhat jaded and disinterested in S3 GSL :/
*cries* what is going on my brothers!?
Protoss doesn't have much variety in their builds. Plus, we need strong units like Colossi and HTs to even try to survive.
On November 17 2010 01:59 GGQ wrote: I hope Idra is practicing his ZvZ
I hope Idra fucks off Hatch first fast expanding.
I'd like to see him get a bit further without being eliminated because he just wont do anything that isn't an unnecessary macro adventure with no defense whatsoever for the first 7 minutes.
To bad only 12 tosses did make it. Looks like 3rd time in a row TvZ and TvT in Ro8+, to bad because a lot of non-koreans made it, so it will be interesting. With HuK and sSKS it would be even more interesting, but I guess we need to wait for another patch that will hopefully broke toss now...
Look at the order of the players listed here and then check the order of the 2nd half of the listed brackets. They are identical. I doubt Gom is going to leave it like that.
You don't have to be Sherlock Holmes. It says quite clearly "BRACKETS ONLY INDICATES THE QUALIFIED PLAYERS". And there you go.
Protoss fail once again, this is starting to become depressing. Genius, MC, we toss players trust you will play a good season. Really sad for tester, I hope he gets another chance to get his S-Class, or he might just fade into oblivion.
Just a side note: 시나브로 means 'little by little' or 'before you know it', maybe u can put that in parentheses so ppl can recognize by english? 창조의아침 means 'morning of creation'.
also why is 나비효과 'chaos theory'? I always wondered cuz it can just be simply translated to 'butterfly effect', which is better imo.
On November 17 2010 02:50 mordk wrote: Protoss fail once again, this is starting to become depressing. Genius, MC, we toss players trust you will play a good season. Really sad for tester, I hope he gets another chance to get his S-Class, or he might just fade into oblivion.
Didn't Tester already get his S-class by getting TOP8 in GSL1?
On November 17 2010 02:52 CanucksJC wrote: Just a side note: 시나브로 means 'little by little' or 'before you know it', maybe u can put that in parentheses so ppl can recognize by english? 창조의아침 means 'morning of creation'.
also why is 나비효과 'chaos theory'? I always wondered cuz it can just be simply translated to 'butterfly effect', which is better imo.
On November 17 2010 01:50 Sleight wrote: I refuse to believe that these are the official brackets. The odds of such pairs of players getting grouped together by random chance is... well basically incredibly small and I am PRAYING we don't see Liquid v Liquid, GSL1 Champ vs GSL2 Champ Ro64, Boxer v Foxer round 32, etc/
Come on. If there is a God, these brackets will be found to be false.
Look at the order of the players listed here and then check the order of the 2nd half of the listed brackets. They are identical. I doubt Gom is going to leave it like that.
God exists!?
Sounds like you suddenly have more important things to figure out than a GSL 3 bracket.
Tester didn't make it again??? Oh my goodness. Huk didn't make it? by the way artosis' twitter was describing, one would've thought he definitely made it. so many foreigners didn't make it =(
Is that a typo or did he actually play terran? Or is there any other Sen i don't know of.. ?
Anyways, I'm kinda suprised to see that many zergs... I feel a little sorry for the protoss players. I would definitely have liked to see Tester in GSL3. He is one of my favourite players and probably the only non-zerg player who I would have liked to win the entire tournament. Well, I guess we're gonna see some ZvZs in that tournament. At least they are more interesting to watch than the average TvT (imho).
edit: Oh, I just noticed that SangHo isn't in there as well. Thats a bummer, he really impressed me in the last season .
So we got 5 (?) foreigners in the Ro64, that is about 8%. Lets hope the percentage is going to grow from round to round. It would make watching GSL much more fun.
On November 17 2010 03:38 Ludwigvan wrote: So we got 5 (?) foreigners in the Ro64, that is about 8%. Lets hope the percentage is going to grow from round to round. It would make watching GSL much more fun.
A pity Incontrol and Huk couldn't win their final matches. Would be two more protoss, two less Zerg.. and an awesome array of foreign players in this tournament.
Haha it's pretty funny to see all of the top NA players get stomped out of the GSL. Anyway, it's pretty clear Protoss is the weakest race and anyone who doesn't think so is simply blind. All of this "protoss aren't doing the right strategy blah blah" is hilarious. Can't wait for patches.
On November 17 2010 04:00 Samim wrote: Haha it's pretty funny to see all of the top NA players get stomped out of the GSL. Anyway, it's pretty clear Protoss is the weakest race and anyone who doesn't think so is simply blind. All of this "protoss aren't doing the right strategy blah blah" is hilarious. Can't wait for patches.
While I agree with you, I also think that the qualifying map pool had a lot to do with it. Scrap station especially is horrible for Protoss against both races.
On November 17 2010 04:04 Gospadin wrote: Did I read the OP correctly? 34 of the Ro64 from GSL2 didn't make it into GSL3?
yes, looks like it. There are just so few constant players. Idra and HopeTorture are amongst them. But that is how single-elimination works. Sometimes you win, sometimes you loose, with group stages this would be a bit different.
On November 17 2010 03:34 positron. wrote: Is it safe to say Tester is overated now?
Its safe to say protoss is overated now. GSL Season 1: 27 protoss qualify, 3 quarterfinalists, 0 semifinalists GSL Season 2: 20 protoss qualify, 1 quarterfinalists, 0 semifinalists GSL Season 3: 12 protoss qualify...0 quarterfinalists?
To those blaming the map pool, you cant blame GSL for using the official maps. If theres a problem with the maps its blizzards job to either remove them or fix protoss so they can compete on them.
On November 17 2010 04:00 Samim wrote: Haha it's pretty funny to see all of the top NA players get stomped out of the GSL. Anyway, it's pretty clear Protoss is the weakest race and anyone who doesn't think so is simply blind. All of this "protoss aren't doing the right strategy blah blah" is hilarious. Can't wait for patches.
I wouldn´t use the word stomped as it doesn´t apply here.
On November 17 2010 04:10 AlBundy wrote: Tester is not overrated. He failed to qualify, so what? A lot of EXTREMELY good players failed too, that doesn't mean they are overrated.
"Protoss is the weakest race". Come on, this is not your average mmorpg here. Sc2 is still very new. You can't make such assumptions.
Every time I heard his name come up the phrase "best protoss in the world" is lurking somewhere in the sentence. If you say he is one of the top then yea I can live with that. However, best in the world? Failing to qualify twice? Now that is overrated. After Artosis and Idra hyped him up certainly his reputation exceeded his skills in the foreign community I guess Idra did that because he got beaten by Tester.
On November 17 2010 04:10 AlBundy wrote: Tester is not overrated. He failed to qualify, so what? A lot of EXTREMELY good players failed too, that doesn't mean they are overrated.
"Protoss is the weakest race". Come on, this is not your average mmorpg here. Sc2 is still very new. You can't make such assumptions.
Every time I heard his name come up the phrase "best protoss in the world" is lurking somewhere in the sentence. If you say he is one of the top then yea I can live with that. However, best in the world? Failing to qualify twice? Now that is overrated. After Artosis and Idra hyped him up certainly his reputation exceeded his skills in the foreign community I guess Idra did that because he got beaten by Tester.
I believe the hype was during beta and immediately post launch. There was little to no news of Korean players at the time with the only really known good players were tester, cool and rainbow.
On November 17 2010 03:38 Ludwigvan wrote: So we got 5 (?) foreigners in the Ro64, that is about 8%. Lets hope the percentage is going to grow from round to round. It would make watching GSL much more fun.
A pity Incontrol and Huk couldn't win their final matches. Would be two more protoss, two less Zerg.. and an awesome array of foreign players in this tournament.
1 less Zerg and 1 less Terran (HuK lost to Aya). Outside of that, I think it's interesting to see the consistent players out there, most of them aren't that flashy it seems; Idra, Check and ITR for example.
Every time I heard his name come up the phrase "best protoss in the world" is lurking somewhere in the sentence. If you say he is one of the top then yea I can live with that. However, best in the world? Failing to qualify twice? Now that is overrated. After Artosis and Idra hyped him up certainly his reputation exceeded his skills in the foreign community I guess Idra did that because he got beaten by Tester.
You are right he may not be the best protoss in the world, and people saying that kind of statements might exaggerate a bit. However we cannot deny the fact that Tester showed some INSANE decision making as well as top level micro. Personally when thinking about Tester I don't refer to the beta era because a lot of things have changed. But in my opinion he is definitely one of the best protosses.
On November 17 2010 03:34 positron. wrote: Is it safe to say Tester is overated now?
No but it's safe to say that there are a lot of scrubs who think that a player is only good if they got to the finals of the most recent season.
Before trying to use some sarcasm learn some reading comprehension. Overrated = not as good as people believe which is very different from not being good.
On November 17 2010 03:34 positron. wrote: Is it safe to say Tester is overated now?
No but it's safe to say that there are a lot of scrubs who think that a player is only good if they got to the finals of the most recent season.
Before trying to use some sarcasm learn some reading comprehension. Overrated = not as good as people believe which is very different from not being good.
Yeah and there are people who think Idra is overrated.
Look - Nada failed to qualify for GSL3, therefore he is overrated player, right? No.
Dang what a bummer about the lack of protoss players. While it sucks that huk and incontrol didn't make it... it's just weird that tester and inca are out.
seriously, these numbers are ridiculous the only hope of a protoss making it NEAR the finals is Genius. Also people saying tester is over rated...Seriously? Do you not remember GOM S1 he played so well what he was doing didnt even seem possible. I can't believe the amount of zerg players saying toss is fine right now.
On November 17 2010 04:57 Djin)ftw( wrote: What about tasteless? Did he qualify or not? I'm unable to find an answer
Same, I saw his name on the list of people to still tryout but now he's not on the qualified list or the fail to qualified. I really want to know what happened with him, was he even really trying out?
On November 17 2010 04:54 Retsukage wrote: seriously, these numbers are ridiculous the only hope of a protoss making it NEAR the finals is Genius.
Look at the increase in performance by NesTea from season 1 and season 2. I don't see why a Protoss player couldn't pull off a similar feat.
Yeah but the reason that NesTea was so good in season 2 though is because the game lagged and he looked at Demuslim's screen and then restarted the game.
On November 17 2010 04:00 Samim wrote: Haha it's pretty funny to see all of the top NA players get stomped out of the GSL. Anyway, it's pretty clear Protoss is the weakest race and anyone who doesn't think so is simply blind. All of this "protoss aren't doing the right strategy blah blah" is hilarious. Can't wait for patches.
Look at the stats that blizzard released. It shows that Protoss stomp Terrans on Diamond ladder.
Btw, I've done some counting...and come up with roughly the following..; Prime 10 fOu 6 Liquid 3 ST 6 oGs 5 IM 3 TSL 3 ZENEX 7 (NEX and Zenith combined aye?) EG 1
On November 17 2010 04:54 Retsukage wrote: seriously, these numbers are ridiculous the only hope of a protoss making it NEAR the finals is Genius.
Look at the increase in performance by NesTea from season 1 and season 2. I don't see why a Protoss player couldn't pull off a similar feat.
Yeah but the reason that NesTea was so good in season 2 though is because the game lagged and he looked at Demuslim's screen and then restarted the game.
Umm what? Demuslim wasn't at GSL2. All the games seemed pretty smooth to me, and even if there was lag it would effect both players equally.
If someone should Nestea GSL 3 it should be the random guy.
On November 17 2010 05:14 DennyR wrote: so basically just Genius, MinChul and HongUn left to keep up the Protospride? 0o
don't sleep on choya, the guy is good
for all the questions on Tasteless -- he's an awesome caster, but he's not a great sc2 player (yet) so either he lost early or didn't even try to qualify
On November 17 2010 04:00 Samim wrote: Haha it's pretty funny to see all of the top NA players get stomped out of the GSL. Anyway, it's pretty clear Protoss is the weakest race and anyone who doesn't think so is simply blind. All of this "protoss aren't doing the right strategy blah blah" is hilarious. Can't wait for patches.
Look at the stats that blizzard released. It shows that Protoss stomp Terrans on Diamond ladder.
Yeah because Diamond players are really good.. Right? All the < 2000 players (99% of them) are really good players and we should be using those statistics. Cool story, bro.
On November 17 2010 06:00 dRaW wrote: wow tester FAILED AGAIN? we need a good protoss leader-_- just like sc:bw we got no good Protoss (other than a re-energized bisu as of late)
also, I am feeling bad for huk, is he the only foreigner who failed ... oh loner too
Actually, MOST foreigners failed. Check the people who didn't qualify. Also, you can't have a "protoss leader" if the race is broken. The logic in this thread is terrible.
On November 17 2010 06:08 Rawenkeke wrote: Ohmy Testerauuuuuu! Now he won't get S rank etc! Anyone knows when his military service is gonna be? 2011 /2012?
Don't worry, he already got S rank from GSL 1 for making it into top 8. Still sad that he didn't qualify this time.
On November 17 2010 04:10 AlBundy wrote: Tester is not overrated. He failed to qualify, so what? A lot of EXTREMELY good players failed too, that doesn't mean they are overrated.
"Protoss is the weakest race". Come on, this is not your average mmorpg here. Sc2 is still very new. You can't make such assumptions.
Every time I heard his name come up the phrase "best protoss in the world" is lurking somewhere in the sentence. If you say he is one of the top then yea I can live with that. However, best in the world? Failing to qualify twice? Now that is overrated. After Artosis and Idra hyped him up certainly his reputation exceeded his skills in the foreign community I guess Idra did that because he got beaten by Tester.
The hype isn't just based on people spewing out words though. Believe it or not there are tournaments in Korea besides the GSL and Tester has repeatedly performed very well in them. He won the last GomTV event before GSL (Star2Siege) beating a field of players like Ensnare/Maka/Cool pretty convincingly.
The most recent broadcast games (TSL's games from the GomTV special) he looked very good which is why its such a shock he didn't qualify again. He beat Rain (GSL qualifier), Fruitdealer, and then beat Sangho playing as Terran.
Throughout the beta he was considered to be the best player on the Korean server. Now, you can argue that the competition has gotten better - and it has. There are many more A-teamers and ex-A-teamers playing SC2 now.
But when you watch his games the skill is there. His mechanics/army control just seem a little better than the all the other protoss. I'm assuming he lost to something similar to last time - Terran timing pushes. Either way though losing two Bo3 series doesn't make you overrated.
Despite the two qualifying losses he still has the best GSL performance of any protoss (reaching Ro8 along with Genius).
I still believe Tester is on of the best protoss in the world, because, as of right now, no protoss are doing shit in the GSL. Inca, Tester, and SangHo all 3 failed to qualify (that's 3 of the top 4 protoss in Korea...)
On November 17 2010 05:22 blae000 wrote: Did tasteless try to qualify?
This. ?
His name was on the list for "waiting to qualify" But i havent seen his name pop up anywhere since. Anyone help maybe? Give Artosis a shout and find out?
On November 17 2010 06:17 TeMiL wrote: jinro and haypro 1sto round??? T_T [Link edited out](copy paste into browser don't click, otherwise it rickrolls?? wtf?)
On November 17 2010 06:43 HolyArrow wrote: I notice that Genius no longer has the NEX tag. Did he leave? And if so, why?
I believe he is still a part of the NEX team line-up. He just recently joined a 'clan' called NsP
this is correct! for those who don't know, in korea there are clans which are largely unsponsored groups that practice together and put their clan IDs in their names, and then there are teams which have sponsors, usually houses where they live together, compete together in team events, and so forth. nexgenius was one of the founders of NsP's sc2 clan, they have a pretty well-known scbw clan. he's still a part of the ZeNEX team (as an additional note, Nex and zenith are still clans and zenex was a team formed out of players from both)
On November 14 2010 10:49 Acecool wrote: Will be there getting destroyed Monday night, 6pm. I know I won't make the Ro64 or even probably win a game, but, teaching in Korea this year, and when in Rome....
On November 16 2010 17:31 YellowNRed wrote: Is ST.Monster=JulyZerg? It said July was playing, but doesn't say what his I.D., he is no longer FantaPrime, he is on team ST, and Monster is the only other player besides ST.Superstar who we know is NOT July.
st.superstar IS july from what I remember at the gomtv clan wars.
I was confused by the other name (veal steak?) that the op said was july. Did he recently change his id?
On November 17 2010 07:45 shinogi wrote: Why are there not many protoss :/ 12P 27Z and 25T
why is that, do koreans just not like playing them?
Protoss dominated NA server but yeh thats a question i want to find an answer too The result is kinda surprising since last patch didn't affect toss much I would like to see more korean protoss though Korean Zerg players are so good not because of race but because how they play (most known Wc3 players are zerg players)
On November 17 2010 07:45 shinogi wrote: Why are there not many protoss :/ 12P 27Z and 25T
why is that, do koreans just not like playing them?
Protoss dominated NA server but yeh thats a question i want to find an answer too The result is kinda surprising since last patch didn't affect toss much I would like to see more korean protoss though Korean Zerg players are so good not because of race but because how they play (most known Wc3 players are zerg players)
that doesnt make sense to me tho. Arent wc3 pros known for their micro? And terrain and especially toss need way more micro the zerg so you'd thinl they would go to the more micro intensive races and not zerg who is mostly about hitting your injects and spreading creep.
On November 16 2010 17:31 YellowNRed wrote: Is ST.Monster=JulyZerg? It said July was playing, but doesn't say what his I.D., he is no longer FantaPrime, he is on team ST, and Monster is the only other player besides ST.Superstar who we know is NOT July.
st.superstar IS july from what I remember at the gomtv clan wars.
I was confused by the other name (veal steak?) that the op said was july. Did he recently change his id?
You can see in the interview Superstar is a completely different guy (in the GSL3 interviews in Community News). Superstar and July are both big guys, but superstar is a lot taller and his face looks a lot different.
Koreans seem to think that Protoss is the most UP race atm, most of the patch changes were nerfs to the Toss race, such as VR and zlot timing.
Also, Scrap Station was the 3rd map that Toss players had a tough time on (Incontrol, HuK) where they got eliminated, easy naturals for other races and colossus easily get picked off by vikings.
July qualified this season?! Yes! Finally, and about time he did! One more to root for... As long as he ain't paired with a foreigner, that is... Or a legend.
On November 17 2010 10:02 Zavi_ wrote: July qualified this season?! Yes! Finally, and about time he did! One more to root for... As long as he ain't paired with a foreigner, that is... Or a legend.
who is more legendary than july zerg, besides maybe boxer? Doesn't july have a golden mouse?
On November 17 2010 10:02 Zavi_ wrote: July qualified this season?! Yes! Finally, and about time he did! One more to root for... As long as he ain't paired with a foreigner, that is... Or a legend.
who is more legendary than july zerg, besides maybe boxer? Doesn't july have a golden mouse?
On November 17 2010 10:02 Zavi_ wrote: July qualified this season?! Yes! Finally, and about time he did! One more to root for... As long as he ain't paired with a foreigner, that is... Or a legend.
who is more legendary than july zerg, besides maybe boxer? Doesn't july have a golden mouse?
I'd say BoxeR and maybe Nada. That's about it.
I would say definitely instead of maybe for NaDa since he was more decorated (titanic list of career accomplishments) and was considered a bonjwa. But of course since he didn't qualify, BoxeR and July are the two main BW legends to look out for. People might want to look out for Moon too since from what I understand he was essentially the bonjwa in the WC3 scene for a number of years.
I personally would root for BoxeR, the foreign Zergs, and any Protoss over July, but I'm a silly, biased Protoss fan.
On November 16 2010 21:59 TheRabidDeer wrote: 2 rains? Which is which?!
if you look at GSL 2, you see 2 rains. one beat choya, then lost to ensnare. and one lost to genius. I believe the one that made it, TSL (The SCV Life) rain is much more well known, while the other guy is some random player on fOu.
On November 17 2010 14:20 Deindar wrote: Anyone know when the ro64 starts? also, i'm thinking about buying the gomtv package for hd live and unlimited vods. anyone know how much it is?
I don't know when it starts but previously the cost has been $20. ($15 if you purchased the previous season)
wow. I just looked over the protoss list, gawd, wtf is up with our race. jeez. 2 S-ranks, and a bunch of new comers/ people I didn't find important enough to mention. we freakin' lost tester and inca. someone who studies detailed aspects of the game needs to complain about this.
rofl, anyone else find it ironic that protoss is "Victory after Victory" despite having the least out of the 3 races/highest percentage of named players not qualify.
Looks like a bunch of good named protoss players made it through! I also wish that the random guy gets protoss 100% of the time, even if thats not the case, I think those will make for the most interesting games. I can't wait to see the brackets, I will feel all warm inside watching one of the Liquid guys knock out Idra ZvZ style!
Goodluck to all the foreigners. My hunch though is that only 1 of them will advance to ro16 and probably 3 already get knocked out at ro64. Really sad to see protoss doing so bad.. I am starting to think it's a balance issue now in combination with the maps (maps which used to favor P in PvZ now favor Z because of roach aggresion).
Thats a lot of zerg's. I think nesttea has a good chance of reaching the r04 and poss. the final., his zvz is really good as he's shown in gsl2 and with all these zerg's anyone looking to make a deep run will have to have good zvz. probably won't be a toss in the r04 maybe even not the r08.
Can't believe I'm saying this, but too many zergs. Just gonna be too many possible mirrors. Maybe race distribution will even out after r64 and 32 though.
I think with so many ZvZ's theres a high probability that one of the Zerg favorites (NesTea, FD, etc) will be knocked out. Its pretty much a crapshoot once banelings are in play, and just one mismicro can mean the game...
I wonder how many people in this thread have actually seen those race titles before this week (clearly not many from reading the posts).
Really happy that so many foreigners made it through (all of them being very strong players too). Great chances to see a few make it far in i'm hoping.
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Also, who is responsible for posting this garbage on fomos (IdrA's interview)?
'what this madafucker saying? all you can say is fuckin non sense excuse. everybody knows your rotten mentality. its very easy to see from what you say, did. you never gonna placed in best 8 furthermore you will fail to everythug ni matter what you gonna do with you motherless motherfucking attitude you fucking son of bitch motherfuking cocsucker. if jesus exists, you will be burned and torched in da deepest down of the hell of despair. i pray for you every sec, min, hour,day.'
Like really, you had to go to some website you can't even navigate through, and leave the biggest trash reply I've ever seen. Get a grip.
On November 17 2010 18:29 CanucksJC wrote: Also, who is responsible for posting this garbage on fomos (IdrA's interview)?
'what this madafucker saying? all you can say is fuckin non sense excuse. everybody knows your rotten mentality. its very easy to see from what you say, did. you never gonna placed in best 8 furthermore you will fail to everythug ni matter what you gonna do with you motherless motherfucking attitude you fucking son of bitch motherfuking cocsucker. if jesus exists, you will be burned and torched in da deepest down of the hell of despair. i pray for you every sec, min, hour,day.'
Like really, you had to go to some website you can't even navigate through, and leave the biggest trash reply I've ever seen. Get a grip.
herp a derp, not like he gives a crap about your opinion... idra is as idra has always been, thats why we watch him.
On November 17 2010 18:29 CanucksJC wrote: Also, who is responsible for posting this garbage on fomos (IdrA's interview)?
'what this madafucker saying? all you can say is fuckin non sense excuse. everybody knows your rotten mentality. its very easy to see from what you say, did. you never gonna placed in best 8 furthermore you will fail to everythug ni matter what you gonna do with you motherless motherfucking attitude you fucking son of bitch motherfuking cocsucker. if jesus exists, you will be burned and torched in da deepest down of the hell of despair. i pray for you every sec, min, hour,day.'
Like really, you had to go to some website you can't even navigate through, and leave the biggest trash reply I've ever seen. Get a grip.
lol wtf am i reading?
but besides that im so excited for this season im totally buying a ticket so i dont miss i single thing! after reading interviews and checking the updates on who did and did not make it im so ready for this. people who did qualify i cant wait to see while at the same time so many people who i wanted to see didnt qualify this gsl3 is goin to be the best yet!
Meh, congratulations Teamliquid!!!! It went as I expected ^^ I didn't expected for huk to qualify... protoss ain't having too many chances in Korea and huk playstyle isn't as strong as other protoss players in America or Europe.
So many zergs, jesus christ.
I really wanted to know who kicked out NaDa, babyByebye & Loner. Poor tester man, he's not being able to play at the GSL at all!
I can't believe Gom will be releasing Vods, I guess I know what I am doing every night this week. And no charge for these, it is almost Like GOM is listening and cares about the fans.
On November 18 2010 00:46 SovSov wrote: Just remember how few Zergs there were in GSL 1... Good luck Protoss!
I wouldn't worry about it if we had Tester but....we don't :/
It is ok, Suicide Toss will make the finals this time. Also HongUnPrime will take the whole thing with carriers ushering in a new age of SC2 Toss dominance.
On November 18 2010 00:46 SovSov wrote: Just remember how few Zergs there were in GSL 1... Good luck Protoss!
I wouldn't worry about it if we had Tester but....we don't :/
It is ok, Suicide Toss will make the finals this time. Also HongUnPrime will take the whole thing with carriers ushering in a new age of SC2 Toss dominance.
On November 18 2010 00:46 SovSov wrote: Just remember how few Zergs there were in GSL 1... Good luck Protoss!
I wouldn't worry about it if we had Tester but....we don't :/
It is ok, Suicide Toss will make the finals this time. Also HongUnPrime will take the whole thing with carriers ushering in a new age of SC2 Toss dominance.
On November 18 2010 00:46 SovSov wrote: Just remember how few Zergs there were in GSL 1... Good luck Protoss!
I wouldn't worry about it if we had Tester but....we don't :/
It is ok, Suicide Toss will make the finals this time. Also HongUnPrime will take the whole thing with carriers ushering in a new age of SC2 Toss dominance.
And then you woke up.
Wet dream lol
I want to believe!
Really though, I hope Toss can finally get its fruit dealer. Tester out 2 seasons in a row has made it hard to find a consistent Toss to root for.
Despite all the crying about how an unlucky draw in the qualifiers may cause a favored player to be out too early, there's actually a good number of players who have stayed consistent. 14 people appearing in a 64-person bracket with >1000 in the qualifiers three times in a row is quite impressive.
hopetorture. zernio, check are 3 out of the top of my head that made all 3. Hyperdub, clide, fruitdealer 3 more. Polt prime i think made all 3, hongun also, genius too. So yea, idra and 9 more made all 3 gsl
late edit: way to be late on the reply, but yay me , got 10/14 out of the top of my head. Was thinking bout thewind but couldnt remember if he made gsl1. /slap for forgeting nestea tho
On November 17 2010 14:26 thekibk wrote: wow. I just looked over the protoss list, gawd, wtf is up with our race. jeez. 2 S-ranks, and a bunch of new comers/ people I didn't find important enough to mention. we freakin' lost tester and inca. someone who studies detailed aspects of the game needs to complain about this.
Just because you don't know some of the toss names doesn't mean that they are bad or won't show us as as much or more skill than some of the other toss players. Look at Foxer. Nobody thought he was any good and nobody knew who he was. He impressed us all.
On November 18 2010 00:46 SovSov wrote: Just remember how few Zergs there were in GSL 1... Good luck Protoss!
I wouldn't worry about it if we had Tester but....we don't :/
I still don't understand why everybody is obsessed with Tester. Yes, he was really good in beta(when tons of other really good players weren't even playing the game yet), but did you see how he went out of GSL1? It was pretty weak play. Everybody else is clearly surpassing him in skill. Haven't you seen how the level of play increased by leaps and bounds between season 1 and 2? He can't just maintain his current skill level to be in the run, but he has to keep improving along with everybody else. He'll have to prove me wrong to change my mind on that.
Could someone answer a question of mine? I want to know if me and 2 local friends share a GSL pass, can we all be logged in and watching at the same time?
On November 17 2010 18:29 CanucksJC wrote: Also, who is responsible for posting this garbage on fomos (IdrA's interview)?
what this madafucker saying? all you can say is fuckin non sense excuse. everybody knows your rotten mentality. its very easy to see from what you say, did. you never gonna placed in best 8 furthermore you will fail to everythug ni matter what you gonna do with you motherless motherfucking attitude you fucking son of bitch motherfuking cocsucker. if jesus exists, you will be burned and torched in da deepest down of the hell of despair. i pray for you every sec, min, hour,day.
Like really, you had to go to some website you can't even navigate through, and leave the biggest trash reply I've ever seen. Get a grip.
herp a derp, not like he gives a crap about your opinion... idra is as idra has always been, thats why we watch him.
Just to clarify, I was browsing through fomos and saw a random english speaking user has posted that comment. It wasn't my own comment, I was just saying that even though ppl might not like IdrA, we shouldn't go over to a korean website just to swear at some guy and be rude.
On November 18 2010 03:38 RobPG wrote: Could someone answer a question of mine? I want to know if me and 2 local friends share a GSL pass, can we all be logged in and watching at the same time?
On November 18 2010 03:38 RobPG wrote: Could someone answer a question of mine? I want to know if me and 2 local friends share a GSL pass, can we all be logged in and watching at the same time?
On November 18 2010 00:46 SovSov wrote: Just remember how few Zergs there were in GSL 1... Good luck Protoss!
I wouldn't worry about it if we had Tester but....we don't :/
I still don't understand why everybody is obsessed with Tester. Yes, he was really good in beta(when tons of other really good players weren't even playing the game yet), but did you see how he went out of GSL1? It was pretty weak play. Everybody else is clearly surpassing him in skill. Haven't you seen how the level of play increased by leaps and bounds between season 1 and 2? He can't just maintain his current skill level to be in the run, but he has to keep improving along with everybody else. He'll have to prove me wrong to change my mind on that.
lol I love when some scrub chimes in with skill analysis based on the results of a tournament, so clueless :x
On November 18 2010 00:46 SovSov wrote: Just remember how few Zergs there were in GSL 1... Good luck Protoss!
I wouldn't worry about it if we had Tester but....we don't :/
I still don't understand why everybody is obsessed with Tester. Yes, he was really good in beta(when tons of other really good players weren't even playing the game yet), but did you see how he went out of GSL1? It was pretty weak play. Everybody else is clearly surpassing him in skill. Haven't you seen how the level of play increased by leaps and bounds between season 1 and 2? He can't just maintain his current skill level to be in the run, but he has to keep improving along with everybody else. He'll have to prove me wrong to change my mind on that.
lol I love when some scrub chimes in with skill analysis based on the results of a tournament, so clueless :x
He, and many others, are asking for Testers results that warrant many calling him the best Protoss, and so far, nobody has posted anything relevant to the last 2-4 months.
On November 18 2010 03:46 Roffles wrote: No. Already tried this. I believe it tracks IPs.
So if I want to watch the VODs at work and at home, I have to choose one or the other? Or does it allow me to access it from multiple locations as long as I'm not logged in from two locations at the same time? I'm considering signing up for the first time ever (even though some players missing from the line-up is disappointing), but if I can only watch them from one place ever that's pretty inconvenient since I can stream them over lunch instead of sitting here doing nothing .
On November 18 2010 04:35 Antoine wrote: You can't stream the livestream at the same time from 2 different places, you won't have a problem watching the vods at home and at work.
Here's a challenge for whoever is up to it: Make a list of Clan success in the qualifiers. Not just number of each clan represented in the Ro64 (ZeNex or fOu seem to be near the top from a glance), but the number of clan members who played qualifiers and the % who made it to the Ro64..
This would give a nice little picture of which clans apparently have the highest average skill level (It's obviously Liquid , but who's 2nd? )
I'm super excited for GSL to start up again. I'm still not over HuK losing though. I'm happy for the Liquid guys but it felt like since HuK was last and arguably the most favorited to qualify, it felt like all the undercards won but the main event lost, leaving a bittersweet aftertaste.
On November 18 2010 05:09 theherder2 wrote: I'm super excited for GSL to start up again. I'm still not over HuK losing though. I'm happy for the Liquid guys but it felt like since HuK was last and arguably the most favorited to qualify, it felt like all the undercards won but the main event lost, leaving a bittersweet aftertaste.
I wouldn't have considered HuK the favored to qualify... all of the other TL guys have way more experience in this setting that HuK. I would actually have been surprised if HuK had made it.
On November 18 2010 05:09 theherder2 wrote: I'm super excited for GSL to start up again. I'm still not over HuK losing though. I'm happy for the Liquid guys but it felt like since HuK was last and arguably the most favorited to qualify, it felt like all the undercards won but the main event lost, leaving a bittersweet aftertaste.
IMO HuK was the least favored to qualify.. for a couple of reasons.. first of all, he plays protoss, which is really the underdog here.. second.. of all of liquid's players this season, HuK seems to have the least "mature" playing style, he's good, but he needs to be way more solid to compete against koreans.. third.. and related to him being protoss and so many zerg players being around.. I believe the last map in the qualy pool was scrap station.. really tough times.
I think that by staying in korea for a while he can make HUGE progress though, in his games there's lots of talent, he just needs to clear the rough edges in his play and he'll become better. Ret, Jinro and Haypro look more "seasoned" than Huk, and I believe this has been true for some time now.
On November 18 2010 05:09 theherder2 wrote: I'm super excited for GSL to start up again. I'm still not over HuK losing though. I'm happy for the Liquid guys but it felt like since HuK was last and arguably the most favorited to qualify, it felt like all the undercards won but the main event lost, leaving a bittersweet aftertaste.
I wouldn't have considered HuK the favored to qualify... all of the other TL guys have way more experience in this setting that HuK. I would actually have been surprised if HuK had made it.
Gotta agree with this. I felt Jinro and Haypro were the two most likely to qualify.
On November 18 2010 05:09 theherder2 wrote: I'm super excited for GSL to start up again. I'm still not over HuK losing though. I'm happy for the Liquid guys but it felt like since HuK was last and arguably the most favorited to qualify, it felt like all the undercards won but the main event lost, leaving a bittersweet aftertaste.
How was HuK "arguably the most favorited to qualify"? That were Ret, due to his experience, and Jinro, because of his recent success. HuK certainly is an exceptional gamer and a community favorite, but one shouldn't forget the proportions there. I also hoped he'd qualify, because 4/4 TL in the RO64 would have been super awesome ... but well. Next time.
i am so excited for this gsl!!! mainly because zvt is my favourite matchup to watch but i really feel sorry for all the protoss fans.. it would be nice to have almost even race distribution..
On November 18 2010 04:47 teacash wrote: This would give a nice little picture of which clans apparently have the highest average skill level
It would give a picture of clans with highest peak skill level. Not average. If hypothetical clan A has 5000 members and gets 5 players into the GSL, they clearly have a lower average skill level than hypothetical clan B, which only has 5 members, all of whom qualified.
On November 18 2010 04:47 teacash wrote: This would give a nice little picture of which clans apparently have the highest average skill level
It would give a picture of clans with highest peak skill level. Not average. If hypothetical clan A has 5000 members and gets 5 players into the GSL, they clearly have a lower average skill level than hypothetical clan B, which only has 5 members, all of whom qualified.
yes this is quite obvious.. which is why i asked for the ratio of #Ro64's to #Played In Qualifiers for each clan..
I don't really get your point.. And I didn't mean its literally a measure of average skill level.. i just meant it would give a little tiny indication, as good as we're going to get without looking at ladder rankings..
On November 18 2010 07:03 TheBB wrote: Sorry, I missed that sentence.
no worries.
I'd love if somebody could do this.. It'd be pretty tricky I imagine, since a lot of people may not have the right clan tags on. I presume that fOu and ZeNex are very large clans, which is why they got so much representation in the ro64, despite not being stacked with only the most skilled players (as far as i can gather)
On November 18 2010 08:28 Logros wrote: Does anyone else find the "Victory After Victory" Protoss tagline painfully ironic?
It's been used for a long time (I think) in BW, where things are hardly better. Also Terran are the Pride of War, when everyone knows that they have no self-respect.
I have a question for TLers. Do you actually think foreigners have a chance of winning GSL or is it just fanboyism? Cuz everyone inside korea kinda shrugs off guys like IdrA, Huk, TLO as being more of a sideshow attraction than actual title contender. (I have friends in Korea who told me this)
On November 18 2010 08:52 riverkim09 wrote: I have a question for TLers. Do you actually think foreigners have a chance of winning GSL or is it just fanboyism? Cuz everyone inside korea kinda shrugs off guys like IdrA, Huk, TLO as being more of a sideshow attraction than actual title contender. (I have friends in Korea who told me this)
what a provocative post it is!
actually it goes like this: it is less likely that a foreigner wins a gsl tournament, because there are less foreigners.
but there is absolutely no difference between american/chinese/korean/swedish/whatever players besides practice and talent. so calling guys like Idra/Huk/TLO or every well known foreigner "sideshow attractions" is simply retarded. especially Idra who almost certainly will be seeded in the 2011 gls which is a badass achievement. also other guys like jinro who are in shape right now are fucking scary players.
On November 18 2010 08:52 riverkim09 wrote: I have a question for TLers. Do you actually think foreigners have a chance of winning GSL or is it just fanboyism? Cuz everyone inside korea kinda shrugs off guys like IdrA, Huk, TLO as being more of a sideshow attraction than actual title contender. (I have friends in Korea who told me this)
what a provocative post it is!
actually it goes like this: it is less likely that a foreigner wins a gsl tournament, because there are less foreigners.
but there is absolutely no difference between american/chinese/korean/swedish/whatever players besides practice and talent. so calling guys like Idra/Huk/TLO or every well known foreigner "sideshow attractions" is simply retarded. especially Idra who almost certainly will be seeded in the 2011 gls which is a badass achievement. also other guys like jinro who are in shape right now are fucking scary players.
Yeah I think calling those guys a sideshow attraction is a bit harsh. Obviously there haven't been as many foreigners in years past and they haven't done terribly great but they have a strong showing in this GSL it seems (anyone have an exact number?) and after watching Ret's showing in the qualifying matches he looked scary. I'm looking forward to seeing how he does in the tournament. Idra is of course a solid player too but it seems like despite his very strong macro game he always runs into someone with a cheese that he doesn't have an answer for. Best of lucky to him this time, God knows I'll be rooting for him. Go Zerg!
On November 18 2010 08:52 riverkim09 wrote: I have a question for TLers. Do you actually think foreigners have a chance of winning GSL or is it just fanboyism? Cuz everyone inside korea kinda shrugs off guys like IdrA, Huk, TLO as being more of a sideshow attraction than actual title contender. (I have friends in Korea who told me this)
Can't say much for the others, but IdrA is pretty feared in Korea. We know that in Season 1, a lot of the Korean players were getting together to help the opponent beat him.
On another note, SlayersBoxer said his favorite player was TLO. Doesn't really mean much, but that's pretty deng awesome.
But yea, I think that they have a great chance of winning, especially seeing how so many of them made it in this time.
On November 18 2010 08:52 riverkim09 wrote: I have a question for TLers. Do you actually think foreigners have a chance of winning GSL or is it just fanboyism? Cuz everyone inside korea kinda shrugs off guys like IdrA, Huk, TLO as being more of a sideshow attraction than actual title contender. (I have friends in Korea who told me this)
Can't say much for the others, but IdrA is pretty feared in Korea. We know that in Season 1, a lot of the Korean players were getting together to help the opponent beat him.
On another note, SlayersBoxer said his favorite player was TLO. Doesn't really mean much, but that's pretty deng awesome.
But yea, I think that they have a great chance of winning, especially seeing how so many of them made it in this time.
Okay first of all, ppl gathering up to beat idra wasn't because he was scary. It was bcuz they didn't like him and wanted to see him put in his place. Second, boxer said his favorite player was TLO to show no favoritism towards any korean player. He cleverly avoided any hostility by naming a player who was foreign. BTW the stuff about the foreigners being a joke is just what a lot of everyday korean gamer thinks. It may be unfair or wrong but that is just what they think. You can't argue that. Its a fact.
could be CinabroPrime, but should be BitbyBitPrime. 시나브로 is an adverb that means something along the lines of little by little. Hear this, casters? the guy's name is BitbyBitPrime.
and all hearts to the randomer who qualified. what a baller. he will be the first ever exception to my Yim Yo Hwan auto-root.
On November 18 2010 08:52 riverkim09 wrote: I have a question for TLers. Do you actually think foreigners have a chance of winning GSL or is it just fanboyism? Cuz everyone inside korea kinda shrugs off guys like IdrA, Huk, TLO as being more of a sideshow attraction than actual title contender. (I have friends in Korea who told me this)
Very slim chance but not because of the number of participants in the GSL. I don't think there were that many koreans in blizzcon but NexGenius won the whole thing and he even said it was easier than qualifying for the GSL. Sure words come out of that arrogant guy can't be completely taken as truth but it is still some indication. I still think there is a gap between the best of the West and the best of Korea.
Ok, TL hate race balance tread, so i'll just post this in case none did:
Race Players % (ideal 33,33%) Difference Z 27 42,86% Z +9,86% (uhm ... something is wrong?) T 24 38,10% T +5,10% (... so so) P 12 19,05% P -13,95% (something defintely wrong)
On November 18 2010 17:50 toadstool wrote: man just watched Tester rip Nada in the GOM special invite games.
I'm so sad he's not in GSL
Yeah i miss tester quite a bit, he seemed like an awesome guy and just a sheer beast at starcraft 2. I guess korea found out his flaws and keep exploiting them unfortunately.
On November 18 2010 17:51 Xeln4g4 wrote: Ok, TL hate race balance tread, so i'll just post this in case none did:
Race Players % (ideal 33,33%) Difference Z 27 42,86% Z +9,86% (uhm ... something is wrong?) T 24 38,10% T +5,10% (... so so) P 12 19,05% P -13,95% (something defintely wrong)
Total 63 100,00%
And yes ... i have a P icon ...
The previous GSL's protoss and terrans have been overrepresented.
On November 18 2010 17:51 Xeln4g4 wrote: Ok, TL hate race balance tread, so i'll just post this in case none did:
Race Players % (ideal 33,33%) Difference Z 27 42,86% Z +9,86% (uhm ... something is wrong?) T 24 38,10% T +5,10% (... so so) P 12 19,05% P -13,95% (something defintely wrong)
Total 63 100,00%
And yes ... i have a P icon ...
The previous GSL's protoss and terrans have been overrepresented.
Terran has been overrepresented in every GSL and in every round besides champion, yes. Protoss was overrepresented before patch 1.1 and never since.
I have a question for TLers. Do you actually think foreigners have a chance of winning GSL or is it just fanboyism? Cuz everyone inside korea kinda shrugs off guys like IdrA, Huk, TLO as being more of a sideshow attraction than actual title contender. (I have friends in Korea who told me this)
Well, people don't consider IdrA, Huk and TLO as title contenders here neither. Maybe IdrA, but most people are pulling for a Ro16/8 showing for foreigners. In a somewhat related note, as a korean myself, and frequent visitor to korean sites and forums, I can tell you foreign players are very appreciated and cheered by koreans. They really want the scene to become truly international, with top players coming from every region (but again, who doesn't right?)
Pretty sure it's a mistake as he was playing Protoss during All-Stars today..
Also Ret is listed as Terran heh. TheBestfOu, ST.Monster, BitByBitPrime and Gumiho seem to be incorrect too :/
Edit: Also Junwi / GuineaPig, TSL.Rain / DreamizEr and Rache / BoggieBoy have their races mixed up as well.
The entire block of matchup data, including race and maps but not player name or ID, are identical between Nov. 24 1PM matches and Nov 25. 1 PM matches. Those for Nov 25 make sense, but not for Nov 24. My guess is that they simply got copied over. So we know that matchups but not the maps for Nov 24 afternoon matches, and everyone saying Ret got the best draw might have another opinion once GOM fixes this and we see the maps he'll actually be playing on.
What do you guys think about my prediction for the tournament? I didn't know all of the players so I couldn't properly judge all matches but whatever, it was fun. Bracket in the link with my choices. Click to enlarge it.
Pretty sure it's a mistake as he was playing Protoss during All-Stars today..
Also Ret is listed as Terran heh. TheBestfOu, ST.Monster, BitByBitPrime and Gumiho seem to be incorrect too :/
Edit: Also Junwi / GuineaPig, TSL.Rain / DreamizEr and Rache / BoggieBoy have their races mixed up as well.
The entire block of matchup data, including race and maps but not player name or ID, are identical between Nov. 24 1PM matches and Nov 25. 1 PM matches. Those for Nov 25 make sense, but not for Nov 24. My guess is that they simply got copied over. So we know that matchups but not the maps for Nov 24 afternoon matches, and everyone saying Ret got the best draw might have another opinion once GOM fixes this and we see the maps he'll actually be playing on.
I posted the correct maps in the other topic over here. Brackets are unchanged.
On November 19 2010 10:52 LeetGoose wrote: What do you guys think about my prediction for the tournament? I didn't know all of the players so I couldn't properly judge all matches but whatever, it was fun. Bracket in the link with my choices. Click to enlarge it.
On November 19 2010 10:52 LeetGoose wrote: What do you guys think about my prediction for the tournament? I didn't know all of the players so I couldn't properly judge all matches but whatever, it was fun. Bracket in the link with my choices. Click to enlarge it.
On November 19 2010 14:27 RmoteCntrld wrote: Idk if this is the right place to ask this, but is Artosis A-class? I saw that TorcH was and he only qualified for GSL 1 as did Artosis.
I'm unsure as well, but since the Ro64 qualifiers have a slight rank higher above those in proceeding seasons, it may mean that both Artosis and Cella might be considered A class players (which would be SWEET).
On November 19 2010 14:27 RmoteCntrld wrote: Idk if this is the right place to ask this, but is Artosis A-class? I saw that TorcH was and he only qualified for GSL 1 as did Artosis.
I'm unsure as well, but since the Ro64 qualifiers have a slight rank higher above those in proceeding seasons, it may mean that both Artosis and Cella might be considered A class players (which would be SWEET).
The military style ranks are not being used for Code S and Code A. See this thread for more details on how it actually works now that GomTV has finally released that information.
In regards to Code A, anyone who finished ro32 or better, or qualified for more than one GSL will be guaranteed at least Code A. Anyone who qualified for one GSL and lost in ro64 (such as TorcH, Artosis, and Cella), will be tied for the last few spots in Code A. Unfortunately, I don't think GomTV has released any information on how they will break the tie, but I'd imagine they'd have a tournament since there will likely be around 45-60 players tied for 5-20 Code A spots. Hopefully they'll at least have a chance to play for Code A and GomTV won't do some arbitrary ranking.
I was looking on Liquipedia 2 and noticed that 3rd place / bronze was being tracked for the GSL. I was just wondering how they determine which semi-finalist gets 3rd? Is it overall W/L?
On November 25 2010 23:19 shannn wrote: Ro64 we started with - 27 42.2% - 24 37.5% - 12 18.8% - 01 1.6%
Ro64 has finished now and the new race count standings are as followed for the Ro32: - 12 37.5% - 14 43.8% - 06 18.8% - 00 0%
Distribution stayed about equal with just T and Z switching their ratio's.
I'm not surprise since a lot of unnamed ZERGS qualified this season Tho Its disappointing that kyrix got eliminated Wonder how many will react to this lol for all the terran "QQ"
Protoss's only chance is guineapig now because genius is gone, these fOu guys are SICK though, they have been ripping apart the best players in the world and TSL is owning this year too. It seems like anyone in these teams is going to be super hard to stop
On November 28 2010 13:10 zalien wrote: Protoss's only chance is guineapig now because genius is gone, these fOu guys are SICK though, they have been ripping apart the best players in the world and TSL is owning this year too. It seems like anyone in these teams is going to be super hard to stop
Isn't MC still in it too? He can go pretty far I'd guess as well. So long as he doesn't do some silly crappy all-in or odd counters
why the hell there's steppes of war in every match -.- so unfair, i know its random but its annoying i think this map was used 70% Preventing a 3rd zerg champ i guess? :D Team distribution 6 PRIME 4 fOu 3 OGS 3 ST 3 TSL 2 IM 2 Liquid 1 EG
On November 28 2010 16:04 DarkRise wrote: why the hell there's steppes of war in every match -.- so unfair, i know its random but its annoying i think this map was used 70% Preventing a 3rd zerg champ i guess? :D Team distribution 6 PRIME 4 fOu 3 OGS 3 ST 3 TSL 2 IM 2 Liquid 1 EG
this will be the game for IdrA to prove his worth to the doubters of this community. IMmvp is very highly regarded among us foreigners and the korean players themselves as well. IMNesTea thinks he's the best TvZ'er out there too, so we'll see how grack fares. HYPED UP!
no chance idra will win but i really hope he does win MVP has Nestea and Fruitdealer to practice with -.- nuff said And the fact that the map is so bad against zerg
On November 30 2010 07:19 DarkRise wrote: no chance idra will win but i really hope he does win MVP has Nestea and Fruitdealer to practice with -.- nuff said And the fact that the map is so bad against zerg
I thought he got Scrap, Steppes and Metal, seems like a balanced ish pool (scrap for Z, Steppes for T and metal is fairly neutral unless its close spawns)
On November 30 2010 07:19 DarkRise wrote: no chance idra will win but i really hope he does win MVP has Nestea and Fruitdealer to practice with -.- nuff said And the fact that the map is so bad against zerg
I thought he got Scrap, Steppes and Metal, seems like a balanced ish pool (scrap for Z, Steppes for T and metal is fairly neutral unless its close spawns)
opposite spawns is just as imba for z as close spawns is for t vertical spawns is the only balanced one, really
8 TERRANS 4 ZERGS 4 PROTOSS Im happy for protoss but I'm sad that some of my favorite zergs got eliminated Nestea and Fruitdealer and July Zerg for a hat-trick
Anyone else having trouble with Gom's website? I've been looking forward to the Jinro game all day and it has yet to be spoiled for me, but there dang site won't load up the video.
On December 04 2010 10:19 Le BucheRON wrote: Anyone else having trouble with Gom's website? I've been looking forward to the Jinro game all day and it has yet to be spoiled for me, but there dang site won't load up the video.
On December 04 2010 10:19 Le BucheRON wrote: Anyone else having trouble with Gom's website? I've been looking forward to the Jinro game all day and it has yet to be spoiled for me, but there dang site won't load up the video.
Site is laggy, I concur.
For me it's not just laggy, but I can't watch at all. =/ Would really like to be able to see yesterday's matches before they go live tonight.
I'm stuck at Jinro's match as well. The site is indeed sloow but has anyone had any success watching other matches? or has gomtv put anything out stating they are working on this? never had this problem before, s1-s3.
On December 04 2010 12:34 wachnlurn wrote: I'm stuck at Jinro's match as well. The site is indeed sloow but has anyone had any success watching other matches? or has gomtv put anything out stating they are working on this? never had this problem before, s1-s3.
Same here on all points. I've been looking everywhere I can think for some official response, but I have found none.
A Protoss favorite? Wait what is this I dont even. Looking forward to the games, since I feel we are at the point with no more favorites, where everyone can take the whole tournament. Gogo Jinro fighting!
A Protoss favorite? Wait what is this I dont even. Looking forward to the games, since I feel we are at the point with no more favorites, where everyone can take the whole tournament. Gogo Jinro fighting!
The funny thing is if you add up the % for all of the Protoss players, it adds up to 38.17%, so based on the favored players, you'd think Protoss is the favored race. Yet the race protoss only has 31.89%, making it the lowest...
A Protoss favorite? Wait what is this I dont even. Looking forward to the games, since I feel we are at the point with no more favorites, where everyone can take the whole tournament. Gogo Jinro fighting!
The funny thing is if you add up the % for all of the Protoss players, it adds up to 38.17%, so based on the favored players, you'd think Protoss is the favored race. Yet the race protoss only has 31.89%, making it the lowest...
Well, 2 top tier players have a higher chance than 3 not quite as good players, it makes sense.
Woah, both fruit dealer and nestea are out? The sc2 scene is so inconsistent right now, can't wait to see one emerge consistently victorious over the rest for a reign of victory.
Single elimination tournaments turn out like that. It's hard to repeat because players get knocked out by other skilled players. Players of equal skill get knocked out at varying stages based on their draw. Consistency is better than brilliance for these formats.
Yup, that's what single elimination is about. A zerg with good ZvT and ZvP could get knocked out by a good ZvZ player, for example. Or a strong player with weakness can get knocked out by that one weakness. Typically, a macro player losing to an early aggression player. Whereas a balanced reactive player would lose to a macro player but beat an early aggression player.
Woah, both fruit dealer and nestea are out? The sc2 scene is so inconsistent right now, can't wait to see one emerge consistently victorious over the rest for a reign of victory.
What do you expect, SC2 is still a new game. Its still too early for one person to reign on top.
So awesome to see Jinro in the final four. Regardless of whether he wins or loses, making it this far in the tournament is a humongous accomplishment for himself and the other players. Its kind of neat seeing all these great players winning tournaments without 3 or 4 guys just absolutely crushing everyone...yet. Makes me want to get off my butt and improve my game.
EPT
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FruitDealer > 
HopeTorture
oGsMC > 
GuMihofOu
Best of luck to all foreigners, plus Tester and Fruitdealer!
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Zerg - 34.97%![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Ticon_small.png)
Terran - 33.14%![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Picon_small.png)
Protoss - 31.89%
