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Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7593 Posts
November 07 2010 02:26 GMT
#8461
On November 07 2010 11:09 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2010 11:07 hugman wrote:
On November 07 2010 11:06 Pudge_172 wrote:
Any updates on this?

WB

Jinro VsPainuser
Machine Vs TT1



Don't think anyone predicted this, even as a joke


lolol so true

awesome though

shows how competitive the scene is

and tbh machine and painuser played so much better than im used to seeing from them

they must be koreans smurfing

probably fruitdealer and ITR


Hahahah. Hell yeah gogo team Underdog!
Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
November 07 2010 02:26 GMT
#8462
Liquid guaranteed 5 of the top 12 spots. Great showing by the team.
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LittLeD
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden7973 Posts
November 07 2010 02:26 GMT
#8463
On November 07 2010 11:25 b_unnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2010 11:18 kNyTTyM wrote:
On November 07 2010 11:17 b_unnies wrote:
On November 07 2010 11:15 kNyTTyM wrote:

On November 07 2010 11:12 b_unnies wrote:
how much can storms do against that composition? Thors tanks storms relatively well


Storm the vikings and bio. Vikings don't actually have much HP.
Teeler lost because he probably hasn't seen that composition before and was just a little confused.



Whole point of thors is that it counters storms so that P can't storm bio/vikings


explain. That statement doesn't make sense to me


thors soak up all the storm damage. kinda like the role ultras function in ultra/ling in sc1 zvp


Why even bother storming a Thor in the first place?
☆Grubby ☆| Tod|DeMusliM|ThorZaiN|SaSe|Moon|Mana| ☆HerO ☆
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
November 07 2010 02:27 GMT
#8464
On November 07 2010 11:22 KiNGxXx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2010 11:17 Azarkon wrote:
On November 07 2010 11:14 KiNGxXx wrote:

Yeah no one predicted this Looks like people all underestimated the talent that exists in the US/Canada, since 3/4 are American/Canadian.

So, how many American/Canadian take part in this tournament?


Don't pull the numbers game, please. European tournaments have more EU players as well...

LOL What? YOU pulled the numbers game with your "3/4" comment. And it's pretty normal that you have more NA players in the top 4 when there are more players of them in the tournament.


I said there was a lot of underestimated American/Canadian talent, partly in response to the people stating that "there's only Idra, and he's practically Korean" that you saw from some posters. You went in with the "oh but so many North Americans in the tournament" BS. Besides, numbers aren't everything. You could have a few hundred NA BW players in Korea playing in the MSL and they'd probably all be knocked out in the first two rounds.

Point is, NA players other than Idra and Huk are doing better than many people predicted they would.
Bru
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden184 Posts
November 07 2010 02:27 GMT
#8465
Goto say its been a great day, no stream hickups some really nice games and major upsets
Kamille
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Monaco1035 Posts
November 07 2010 02:27 GMT
#8466
Machine is the only EG player left. I hope he takes the whole thing.
Priphea
b_unnies
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
3579 Posts
November 07 2010 02:27 GMT
#8467
On November 07 2010 11:26 LittleeD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2010 11:25 b_unnies wrote:
On November 07 2010 11:18 kNyTTyM wrote:
On November 07 2010 11:17 b_unnies wrote:
On November 07 2010 11:15 kNyTTyM wrote:

On November 07 2010 11:12 b_unnies wrote:
how much can storms do against that composition? Thors tanks storms relatively well


Storm the vikings and bio. Vikings don't actually have much HP.
Teeler lost because he probably hasn't seen that composition before and was just a little confused.



Whole point of thors is that it counters storms so that P can't storm bio/vikings


explain. That statement doesn't make sense to me


thors soak up all the storm damage. kinda like the role ultras function in ultra/ling in sc1 zvp


Why even bother storming a Thor in the first place?


exactly. which is why going temps is useless against thor/banshee/marines
kojinshugi
Profile Joined August 2010
Estonia2559 Posts
November 07 2010 02:28 GMT
#8468
Anyone else have all the bracket results vanish from the MLG site?
whatsgrackalackin420
Fa1nT
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3423 Posts
November 07 2010 02:28 GMT
#8469
On November 07 2010 11:25 QuantumTheory wrote:
IdrA was pissed after losing to Select.
You could see how infuriated he was.
His loss though, he should have been prepared for that.

IdrA needs to understand that he is better than everyone playing straight up most games.
So he's gotta think, yea, most of the people I'm going to face is going to cheese me at some point.
He really needs to change his attitude about his ZvT and it is actually a dangerous matchup for him.


No, it's not.

Close positions, maps like delta, and cheeses are dangerous for him.

One is luck, one is veto'ed, and the last he is extremely good at handling.

When 95% of IdrA's opponents either cheese or 1/2-base all in, one will eventually beat him with it. IdrA is probably the pro player with the most cheeses against him in the WORLD.
positron.
Profile Joined May 2010
634 Posts
November 07 2010 02:29 GMT
#8470
On November 07 2010 11:22 Shifft wrote:
I think the point of the thors is that you absolutely cannot go phoenix against thors, so the banshees are super hard to deal with.


Thors fire so slow that I don't think that is the main reason he get thors. I guess thors tank storm better and hit stalkers well.
Shika
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden1711 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-07 02:31:27
November 07 2010 02:29 GMT
#8471
On November 07 2010 11:22 KiNGxXx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2010 11:17 Azarkon wrote:
On November 07 2010 11:14 KiNGxXx wrote:

Yeah no one predicted this Looks like people all underestimated the talent that exists in the US/Canada, since 3/4 are American/Canadian.

So, how many American/Canadian take part in this tournament?


Don't pull the numbers game, please. European tournaments have more EU players as well...

LOL What? YOU pulled the numbers game with your "3/4" comment. And it's pretty normal that you have more NA players in the top 4 when there are more players of them in the tournament.


Look through the bracket Azarkon.. None of the americans in the winner bracket top 4 has had to face europeans on their way there (except Painuser, but Nazgul hasn't really practiced as much as everyone else). Europeans has mostly knocked each other down to the loser bracket.

edit: said machine instead of painuser.
Glam
Profile Joined September 2010
United States325 Posts
November 07 2010 02:29 GMT
#8472
I'm still boggling over Tyler's switch to VR after he knew painuser had a bunch of vikings. Can anyone explain this?
Firereaver
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
India1701 Posts
November 07 2010 02:30 GMT
#8473
On November 07 2010 11:24 HuskyHawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2010 11:17 iggyfisk wrote:
On November 07 2010 11:16 TheGrimace wrote:
I feel pathetic. I think the regame for Tyler is affecting me more than him. I don't know why I'm so upset that it happened, but it is really bothering me. I know MLG_Lee has clarified their position and asked for feedback, but I can't help but feel upset by this. I almost think I need to go watch Day[9]'s dealing with a loss to hear about the chemicals going on again. I guess it's a good sign I'm this invested in the events of MLG, but I'm kinda pissed at myself for feeling this strongly. Like I said, this is pathetic how I'm feeling. Anyone have words (good or bad) for me?

Go to bed, see you tomorrow.


If you don't follow any college/pro athletics, just talk to someone that does. What you're talking about is a pretty standard reaction for a fan who endures a tough loss. Maybe the regame affected him a lot, maybe it didn't. In either case, the games went late, like Tyler prefers, and he still lost. I think he'll still have a strong showing in the losers bracket and probably come away from this loss with a better understanding of his weaknesses.

All you gotta do is step back and see the bigger picture! For me, after Nada lost in OSL in 2007, I literally cried. But then I realised that I watched something that 99.9% of people are missing worldwide. And that somehow bucked me up. Couldnt handle Ivanesevic repeatedly losing Wimbledon finals too.
"They drone drone drone , me win" - JangMinChul(Iron/oGsMC)
Pudge_172
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1378 Posts
November 07 2010 02:30 GMT
#8474
When the bracket looks empty just scroll it.....
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Djeez
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
543 Posts
November 07 2010 02:30 GMT
#8475
On November 07 2010 11:29 Glam wrote:
I'm still boggling over Tyler's switch to VR after he knew painuser had a bunch of vikings. Can anyone explain this?


Kill thors, make room for pheonixes to take out the vikings.
''Watching steppes of war in the gsl would be like watching the dreamhack 1.6 finals start out on fy_iceworld. '' -red_b
TheGrimace
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States929 Posts
November 07 2010 02:31 GMT
#8476
On November 07 2010 11:24 HuskyHawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2010 11:17 iggyfisk wrote:
On November 07 2010 11:16 TheGrimace wrote:
I feel pathetic. I think the regame for Tyler is affecting me more than him. I don't know why I'm so upset that it happened, but it is really bothering me. I know MLG_Lee has clarified their position and asked for feedback, but I can't help but feel upset by this. I almost think I need to go watch Day[9]'s dealing with a loss to hear about the chemicals going on again. I guess it's a good sign I'm this invested in the events of MLG, but I'm kinda pissed at myself for feeling this strongly. Like I said, this is pathetic how I'm feeling. Anyone have words (good or bad) for me?

Go to bed, see you tomorrow.


If you don't follow any college/pro athletics, just talk to someone that does. What you're talking about is a pretty standard reaction for a fan who endures a tough loss. Maybe the regame affected him a lot, maybe it didn't. In either case, the games went late, like Tyler prefers, and he still lost. I think he'll still have a strong showing in the losers bracket and probably come away from this loss with a better understanding of his weaknesses.


Good points, both of you. I did a lot of cheering for my college basketball team and they always eventually failed, I guess this isn't really a new feeling for me. I'm probably just more invested here since this is a game I play. I'll sleep on it and be back up for the stream tomorrow. Thanks guys, TL is a pretty cool place.
kojinshugi
Profile Joined August 2010
Estonia2559 Posts
November 07 2010 02:31 GMT
#8477
On November 07 2010 11:28 Fa1nT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2010 11:25 QuantumTheory wrote:
IdrA was pissed after losing to Select.
You could see how infuriated he was.
His loss though, he should have been prepared for that.

IdrA needs to understand that he is better than everyone playing straight up most games.
So he's gotta think, yea, most of the people I'm going to face is going to cheese me at some point.
He really needs to change his attitude about his ZvT and it is actually a dangerous matchup for him.


No, it's not.

Close positions, maps like delta, and cheeses are dangerous for him.

One is luck, one is veto'ed, and the last he is extremely good at handling.

When 95% of IdrA's opponents either cheese or 1/2-base all in, one will eventually beat him with it. IdrA is probably the pro player with the most cheeses against him in the WORLD.


To be fair a lot of tournament games are 1/2-base all ins. He shouldn't bank on his opponents executing the cheese/allins poorly, he should play safe, especially when losing could drop him out of the tournament. 14 hatch on DQ against Select in game 3 just seemed like poor judgement.
whatsgrackalackin420
Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
November 07 2010 02:31 GMT
#8478
On November 07 2010 11:25 b_unnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2010 11:18 kNyTTyM wrote:
On November 07 2010 11:17 b_unnies wrote:
On November 07 2010 11:15 kNyTTyM wrote:

On November 07 2010 11:12 b_unnies wrote:
how much can storms do against that composition? Thors tanks storms relatively well


Storm the vikings and bio. Vikings don't actually have much HP.
Teeler lost because he probably hasn't seen that composition before and was just a little confused.



Whole point of thors is that it counters storms so that P can't storm bio/vikings


explain. That statement doesn't make sense to me


thors soak up all the storm damage. kinda like the role ultras function in ultra/ling in sc1 zvp

Not really, since I hope no one is really trying to storm those thors the HTs kill banshees, marines, marauders and to lesser extend hellions. zlots kill thors well.

Being 4 gas geysers up is probably a lot bigger reason for how the game went, than we are taking into account, but I'd def say transitioning into VR was not smart after he lost his core colossi army(phoenix with colossi is decent since they waste the vikings time away from the colossi). In any case, if they were getting similar gas income, PU wouldn't really have threatening amount of banshees _and_ thors, a mix of both or all of either, which the toss has units that can handle.
ChThoniC
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States536 Posts
November 07 2010 02:32 GMT
#8479
Any way I get watch reps/VODs of some of the better games from today?
Couldn't commit the whole day to watching and missed the best matchups.
i c u
kojinshugi
Profile Joined August 2010
Estonia2559 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-07 02:33:18
November 07 2010 02:32 GMT
#8480
On November 07 2010 11:30 Pudge_172 wrote:
When the bracket looks empty just scroll it.....


I'm scrolling it shows the rounds but there's no players in them. Everything is TBD.

NVM: works now.
whatsgrackalackin420
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