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AbsentLover
Profile Joined July 2009
Romania84 Posts
November 04 2010 13:51 GMT
#1461
On November 04 2010 22:50 Gescom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2010 22:37 AbsentLover wrote:
Hey, i just woke up. What was the score between foxer - itr?

+ Show Spoiler +
3-1 foxer


Thanks, but wasnt it bo7?
fishey
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada24 Posts
November 04 2010 13:53 GMT
#1462
foxer won because he is a snake, watch how many times he sticks his tongue out.
alan25
Profile Joined September 2010
United States379 Posts
November 04 2010 13:54 GMT
#1463
anyone know a restream or vod link already up for this?
AbsentLover
Profile Joined July 2009
Romania84 Posts
November 04 2010 13:57 GMT
#1464
On November 04 2010 22:53 fishey wrote:
foxer won because he is a snake, watch how many times he sticks his tongue out.


He's the Pete Sampras of Starcraft :D
udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-04 14:02:07
November 04 2010 13:59 GMT
#1465
in retrospect, Foxer's poor RO64 showing was probably due to a combination of nerves and not being used to the new post-patch TvZ

I find it hilarious though that people are still trying to discount Foxer's road to the GSL 2 finals and not giving him the respect he deserves.
E-Sports is competitive video gaming with a spectator fan base. Do not take the word "Sports" literally.
timmyfred
Profile Joined April 2010
United States302 Posts
November 04 2010 14:04 GMT
#1466
On November 04 2010 22:51 AbsentLover wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2010 22:50 Gescom wrote:
On November 04 2010 22:37 AbsentLover wrote:
Hey, i just woke up. What was the score between foxer - itr?

+ Show Spoiler +
3-1 foxer


Thanks, but wasnt it bo7?


He was beating ITR so badly, they mercy ruled it at 3-1.

+ Show Spoiler +
Nah, you're right, it was 4-1

Chance favors the prepared mind. | Winners don't make excuses when the other side plays the game.
Zingerac
Profile Joined July 2010
United States138 Posts
November 04 2010 14:20 GMT
#1467
On November 04 2010 22:59 udgnim wrote:

I find it hilarious though that people are still trying to discount Foxer's road to the GSL 2 finals and not giving him the respect he deserves.

Its more of the fact that that making nothing but marines and beating an opponent who absolutely refuses to adapt isn't impressive.

The fact that he is going to the finals is awesome he's playing good and all of his wins are well deserved. However, he hardly looks like one of the best players in the world.
So basically the difference between me and deezer is that I don't need to look at his stream to know what hes doing- Liquid'Ret
johanngrunt
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Hong Kong1555 Posts
November 04 2010 14:26 GMT
#1468
Holy Bananas Batman, this thread is growing really really fast!!!

But props to BoxerPrime, even Lim Yo Hwan respects his skills. (check out his previous interview)

And I think that arguing over whether he is a "good" or "mediocre" player is kinda pointless, the kid delivers results, and on top of that, does it in style.

Who cares if he doesn't win GSL3, this is his time to shine, give credit where credit is due.

He wouldn't have beaten all those big name pros over so many games if he didn't have the skills, talent, and guts to do it.
HeIios
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2523 Posts
November 04 2010 14:27 GMT
#1469
When I first heard about this "fakenicker" (pre watching his games) I was such a sceptic, but now...
Just blowing my mind how powerful he is with basic units! Infinity respect!

Foxer fighting!!
Sixes
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1123 Posts
November 04 2010 14:41 GMT
#1470
Foxer is Gooooooood ... and ITR got owned lol.

IT was pretty 1 sided, he stole a game with a proxy banshee and that's it, Foxer's marines seem to have picked up the shot on the run from the phoenixes.

So we may have Foxy Boxing in Finals.
teacash
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada494 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-04 14:48:20
November 04 2010 14:47 GMT
#1471
while any strategy that wins consistently can be considered as legit as any other, fakeboxer is really taking the enjoyment out of watching this GSL..
Sure he is talented in ways (bio micro etc), and is demonstrating the potential power of mass tier1 units.. I give him credit in that regard.

But let's call a spade a spade. this guy is almost cheesing without making it look like cheese..
Can you blame him? no. he wins.
But I sure as hell can say that I don't enjoy watching his style of play one bit.. And I feel he is taking away from what could have been a much better GSL season..

NOTE: ITR deserved to lose completely through his inability to catch on or deal with sucha strategy. That's also quite clear. Fuck both ITR and fakeBoxeR
roosten
Profile Joined August 2010
125 Posts
November 04 2010 14:47 GMT
#1472
Some longer games might have been nice, but I do think ITR's inflexibility was a real hindrance here. Clearly BoxeR is someone who needs to be scouted early and often.
awesomoecalypse
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2235 Posts
November 04 2010 14:53 GMT
#1473
Its more of the fact that that making nothing but marines and beating an opponent who absolutely refuses to adapt isn't impressive.

The fact that he is going to the finals is awesome he's playing good and all of his wins are well deserved. However, he hardly looks like one of the best players in the world.


ITR did a crap job of adapting. But its not like thats the only opponent he's played. He also beat Sangho, Kyrix and Fruit, all of whom have *very* different playstyles. Kyrix in particular played a style that seems tailor-made to give Foxer fits, highly aggressive baneling pushes. It didn't matter, Foxer still beat him, albeit barely.

When you win by doing what your opponent doesn't expect, that can be skill or luck.
But when you win by doing *exactly* what your opponent expects, but just outplay him, then that can only be skill.

Its amazing how everyone just says, "oh, you need to make [X] unit and then you'll easily beat Foxer." But in fact before this GSL people would have said units like speed banelings are a hard counter to marines, and Foxer handled those easily.

If you micro them perfectly, Marines are basically the best unit in the game. They're incredibly cost efficient, have the range and anti-air to hit anything, have some of the best upgrades in the game (stim is outrageous, but combat shield is also great, and even normal weapons and armor upgrades benefit them enormously because you make so many of them...3/3 upgrades that apply to a hundred marines is a massive jump in dps and survivability). When they clump, they're vulnerable to splash and aoe...but Foxer never clumps them, in fact he spreads them on a nearly individual basis in many different directions at once. If you are that good with them, they can be cost efficient against almost any unit your opponent can build.
He drone drone drone. Me win. - ogsMC
Heimatloser
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany1494 Posts
November 04 2010 14:54 GMT
#1474
fakeboxer is the kwanro of sc2
All what KT currently needs is a Zerg and a second Terran
TehForce
Profile Joined July 2010
1072 Posts
November 04 2010 14:55 GMT
#1475
Its not like boxer was doing the same thing all the time. In his matches vs kynix he was mixing it up and the games vs itr had really macro potentisl. Its just itr defending poorly what prevented an epic series.
NesTea <3
teacash
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada494 Posts
November 04 2010 14:59 GMT
#1476
On November 04 2010 23:53 awesomoecalypse wrote:
If you micro them perfectly, Marines are basically the best unit in the game.

That's why there's gonna be a small marine nerf (either attack dmg or attack speed or stim) in one of the next two patches.


you're really good at maeking marines.
very useful talent toi have
DaemonX
Profile Joined September 2010
545 Posts
November 04 2010 15:01 GMT
#1477
Why is game 3 2 stars?
That was a fantastic god damn game.

We are seeing the dawn of a new style here with the slow-gas from Boxer.
ZeNd0kUn
Profile Joined October 2010
United States331 Posts
November 04 2010 15:03 GMT
#1478
Thank God it was a TvT. And yet still I heard faint cries of Marine imbalance. Lol!

Foxer's got his work cut out for him when he faces either NesTea or SlayerSBoxeR. Foxer mentioned himself that he's weaker against Zerg and even if he faces a Terran, it's a real BoxeR Terran so I am sure he will have his work cut out for him.

He makes odd decisions at certains points in the game which is his weakness. ( Nuking hatcheries, Dropping into enemy forces etc. ) And the predictablity of his Timing Marine Aggression, however effective it is, will be his own weakness if the opposing player actually comes up with an idea to counter it or exploit it.

But nevertheless, I find it spiteful of people to disregard his skill and not give him credit where it is due. As many have mentioned before, you've got be a tad bit clueless about SC2 if you aren't impressed at what kind of skills he has displayed so far.

Yeah I'm one of those rooting for a Foxer vs Boxer final. But I hope NesTea's game is closer than HopeTorture's. Still, I respect them for doing whatever it takes for them to win. It's a guaranteed 20+k$ for goodnesss sake if they win. And a potential 85+k$.
"Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment." - Jesus
LostDevil
Profile Joined March 2005
Fiji283 Posts
November 04 2010 15:03 GMT
#1479
To everyone that is hating on him for "cheesing"? by just using marines.

Should he be blamed because he is so good he only needs to use marines to beat his opponents? After he wins this season he will only be allowed to use SCV's next season because he is too OP with marines. Reports were flooding in from bnet that he was too OP before the season started so they asked him to only use marines to make it fair to the other players. Looks like they failed so far. We will see in the finals.
roosten
Profile Joined August 2010
125 Posts
November 04 2010 15:04 GMT
#1480
On November 05 2010 00:03 LostDevil wrote:
To everyone that is hating on him for "cheesing"? by just using marines.

Should he be blamed because he is so good he only needs to use marines to beat his opponents? After he wins this season he will only be allowed to use SCV's next season because he is too OP with marines. Reports were flooding in from bnet that he was too OP before the season started so they asked him to only use marines to make it fair to the other players. Looks like they failed so far. We will see in the finals.


Who are 'they' and do you have any cite for these 'reports'?
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