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The_Dark
Profile Joined October 2010
South Africa222 Posts
November 04 2010 12:52 GMT
#1441
On November 04 2010 21:26 smegged wrote:
The amazing thing is that Foxer has had such an incredibly difficult run to the finals, but made his opponents look like scrubs every single time.

Let's not forget who he has taken out here:

Fruitdealer (winner GSL1)
Sangho (one of the top 4 protoss players around alongside Genius, Tester and Inca)
ITR (runner up GSL1)

3 of the best players of their respective races have all been made to look bad against him.

Not only that but he beat Kyrix as well, who has a totally different zerg playstyle to Fruitdealer.

This kid is such a baller and probably deserves to win the tournament based on what we have seen of him so far. I really don't see a zerg player beating him and I think his play is more solid than SlayerS_Boxer at the moment.



agreed x 10
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-04 12:53:17
November 04 2010 12:52 GMT
#1442
On November 04 2010 21:40 Airship wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2010 21:36 kojinshugi wrote:

Did you really just say Foxer's weakness would be a zerg like Kyrix?

Lol?


You perhaps didn't notice that Foxer was within an inch of being eliminated by Kyrix then, who is a relatively mediocre zerg player by GSL standards. He was also nearly eliminated in the Ro64 by another really mediocre zerg. In that series Foxer played AWFULLY. His other TvZ, against fruit dealer, he rock paper scissor'd Fruit Dealer twice when FD decided to FE and drone up greedily. You'd have to assume newcomers won't attempt that against Foxer knowing what they know now. So yeah, I don't think it's unreasonable to put serious question marks over Foxer's TvZ.

Nearly every word of your post makes my brain hurt.
Yeah, Kyrix is a mediocre zerg. Hell, everyone who doesn't play macro NR20 game is a mediocre player.
Every one who does thing other people don't do is mediocre. That's why kyrix is in ro8 and nearly ro4, and that's why boxer is in finals. Those 2 mediocre players.
Why don't everyone play a macro game like idra, so they could win it all.
And he "rock paper scissor'd dealer"...I would love you elaborate on this one. I'm sure you think foxer is a player who went allin in each of his games, hey. Those fucking 16cc alliners.
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
November 04 2010 12:55 GMT
#1443
Foxer has proven that he's an absolute monster the way he's been defeating all the big names like ITR, fruitdealer, sangho etc. His marine control and banshee defense is nothing short of spectacular.. the way he predicts the banshee routes vs ITR reminds me of Flash .. so fucking crisp and smart player.
"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
Magnamus
Profile Joined September 2010
United States23 Posts
November 04 2010 12:56 GMT
#1444
On November 04 2010 21:52 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2010 21:40 Airship wrote:
On November 04 2010 21:36 kojinshugi wrote:

Did you really just say Foxer's weakness would be a zerg like Kyrix?

Lol?


You perhaps didn't notice that Foxer was within an inch of being eliminated by Kyrix then, who is a relatively mediocre zerg player by GSL standards. He was also nearly eliminated in the Ro64 by another really mediocre zerg. In that series Foxer played AWFULLY. His other TvZ, against fruit dealer, he rock paper scissor'd Fruit Dealer twice when FD decided to FE and drone up greedily. You'd have to assume newcomers won't attempt that against Foxer knowing what they know now. So yeah, I don't think it's unreasonable to put serious question marks over Foxer's TvZ.

Nearly every word of your post makes my brain hurt.
Yeah, Kyrix is a mediocre zerg. Hell, everyone who doesn't play macro NR20 game is a mediocre player.
Every one who does thing other people don't do is mediocre. That's why kyrix is in ro8 and nearly ro4, and that's why boxer is in finals. Those 2 mediocre players.
Why don't everyone play a macro game like idra, so they could win it all.
And he "rock paper scissor'd dealer"...I would love you elaborate on this one. I'm sure you think foxer is a player who went allin in each of his games, hey. Those fucking 16cc alliners.

don't feed the troll ಠ_ಠ
omg carriers alt-f4
Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
November 04 2010 12:59 GMT
#1445
On November 04 2010 21:52 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2010 21:40 Airship wrote:
On November 04 2010 21:36 kojinshugi wrote:

Did you really just say Foxer's weakness would be a zerg like Kyrix?

Lol?


You perhaps didn't notice that Foxer was within an inch of being eliminated by Kyrix then, who is a relatively mediocre zerg player by GSL standards. He was also nearly eliminated in the Ro64 by another really mediocre zerg. In that series Foxer played AWFULLY. His other TvZ, against fruit dealer, he rock paper scissor'd Fruit Dealer twice when FD decided to FE and drone up greedily. You'd have to assume newcomers won't attempt that against Foxer knowing what they know now. So yeah, I don't think it's unreasonable to put serious question marks over Foxer's TvZ.

Nearly every word of your post makes my brain hurt.
Yeah, Kyrix is a mediocre zerg. Hell, everyone who doesn't play macro NR20 game is a mediocre player.
Every one who does thing other people don't do is mediocre. That's why kyrix is in ro8 and nearly ro4, and that's why boxer is in finals. Those 2 mediocre players.
Why don't everyone play a macro game like idra, so they could win it all.
And he "rock paper scissor'd dealer"...I would love you elaborate on this one. I'm sure you think foxer is a player who went allin in each of his games, hey. Those fucking 16cc alliners.


You don't get the point at all.

I also think that if Foxer were to face Zergbong in the final he would probably lose (with his current playstyle). Almost each games against kyrix he went for the same mass marines medivac and sometimes some tanks. Kyrix didnt abused it well enough (yes he had banelings, but no infestors to support them). It seems like Foxer is relying purely on his micro to win the game, and it was very close and Kyrix overcommitted numerous time. If Zergbong studies Foxer's playstyle he can come with something that will crush Foxer imo.
Airship
Profile Joined August 2010
United States465 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-04 13:01:22
November 04 2010 12:59 GMT
#1446
On November 04 2010 21:52 MrCon wrote:
Nearly every word of your post makes my brain hurt.
Yeah, Kyrix is a mediocre zerg. Hell, everyone who doesn't play macro NR20 game is a mediocre player.
Every one who does thing other people don't do is mediocre. That's why kyrix is in ro8 and nearly ro4, and that's why boxer is in finals. Those 2 mediocre players.
Why don't everyone play a macro game like idra, so they could win it all.
And he "rock paper scissor'd dealer"...I would love you elaborate on this one. I'm sure you think foxer is a player who went allin in each of his games, hey. Those fucking 16cc alliners.


Sorry to tell you that you've made a few incorrect assumptions about me there. For the record, I think Foxer would definitely beat Idra, it's well known Idra's biggest weakness is early aggression. I say he rock paper scissor'd Fruit Dealer because Fruit Dealer's build little early defense, while Foxer's build was heavy early aggression. You accuse me of thinking it was all in or cheese because you're mad I criticised Foxer, but I actually think they were just good effective early pressure that Fruit Dealer wasn't ready for. His build beat Fruit Dealer like Rock beats Scissors. All the same, my point about nobody trying a greedy FE against Foxer again any time soon stands. And my point about him nearly being defeated by Kyrix and BabyWeRRa also stand.

As an addendum I'd like to point out that NesTea's practice partner is IMmvp and he gets a week to prepare for the final with him if he beats SlayerSBoxeR. Think about it.
frucisky
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore2170 Posts
November 04 2010 12:59 GMT
#1447
Foxer has a Heath Ledger like reptilian tongue aaction O.O
<3 DongRaeGu <3
Art_of_Kill
Profile Joined September 2003
Zaire1232 Posts
November 04 2010 13:03 GMT
#1448
just watching the vods, wow gsl 2 vods are in great quality
TLT07 ===> *winner* <===TLT08
Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
November 04 2010 13:06 GMT
#1449
On November 04 2010 22:03 Art_of_Kill wrote:
just watching the vods, wow gsl 2 vods are in great quality


And they are uploaded super fast, it's great.
Ayush_SCtoss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
India3051 Posts
November 04 2010 13:06 GMT
#1450
FoxeR vs BoxeR!
Make it happen.
End my suffering
Burban
Profile Joined August 2010
48 Posts
November 04 2010 13:10 GMT
#1451
The former name of the fake boxer is Clare isnt it ?
The_Dark
Profile Joined October 2010
South Africa222 Posts
November 04 2010 13:12 GMT
#1452
On November 04 2010 21:59 frucisky wrote:
Foxer has a Heath Ledger like reptilian tongue aaction O.O



noticed that as well, instead of foxer, should call himself Reptile

ReptilePrime
Draconicfire
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2562 Posts
November 04 2010 13:32 GMT
#1453
On November 04 2010 21:40 Airship wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2010 21:36 kojinshugi wrote:

Did you really just say Foxer's weakness would be a zerg like Kyrix?

Lol?


You perhaps didn't notice that Foxer was within an inch of being eliminated by Kyrix then, who is a relatively mediocre zerg player by GSL standards. He was also nearly eliminated in the Ro64 by another really mediocre zerg. In that series Foxer played AWFULLY. His other TvZ, against fruit dealer, he rock paper scissor'd Fruit Dealer twice when FD decided to FE and drone up greedily. You'd have to assume newcomers won't attempt that against Foxer knowing what they know now. So yeah, I don't think it's unreasonable to put serious question marks over Foxer's TvZ.


I think that FoxeR was just screwing around the first game. His play was definitely wasn't as solid, and he tried fun things like nuking hatches. It would make sense that he would mask his own skill to trick Fruitdealer into underestimating him, which worked.
@Drayxs | Drayxs.221 | Drayxs#1802
pedduck
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Thailand468 Posts
November 04 2010 13:33 GMT
#1454
This is like watching Italian Calcio Serie A. It is, indeed, full of tactics, intense, highlevel metagame.
Unfortunately, sometimes it is also boring.

To an expert eye, these games could be very interesting and show good micro and timing.
But i am afraid not everybody is an expert.

So we don't have to argue if these series is good or not, it is just depend on each person point of view.
frucisky
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore2170 Posts
November 04 2010 13:35 GMT
#1455
On November 04 2010 21:59 Roggay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2010 21:52 MrCon wrote:
On November 04 2010 21:40 Airship wrote:
On November 04 2010 21:36 kojinshugi wrote:

Did you really just say Foxer's weakness would be a zerg like Kyrix?

Lol?


You perhaps didn't notice that Foxer was within an inch of being eliminated by Kyrix then, who is a relatively mediocre zerg player by GSL standards. He was also nearly eliminated in the Ro64 by another really mediocre zerg. In that series Foxer played AWFULLY. His other TvZ, against fruit dealer, he rock paper scissor'd Fruit Dealer twice when FD decided to FE and drone up greedily. You'd have to assume newcomers won't attempt that against Foxer knowing what they know now. So yeah, I don't think it's unreasonable to put serious question marks over Foxer's TvZ.

Nearly every word of your post makes my brain hurt.
Yeah, Kyrix is a mediocre zerg. Hell, everyone who doesn't play macro NR20 game is a mediocre player.
Every one who does thing other people don't do is mediocre. That's why kyrix is in ro8 and nearly ro4, and that's why boxer is in finals. Those 2 mediocre players.
Why don't everyone play a macro game like idra, so they could win it all.
And he "rock paper scissor'd dealer"...I would love you elaborate on this one. I'm sure you think foxer is a player who went allin in each of his games, hey. Those fucking 16cc alliners.


You don't get the point at all.

I also think that if Foxer were to face Zergbong in the final he would probably lose (with his current playstyle). Almost each games against kyrix he went for the same mass marines medivac and sometimes some tanks. Kyrix didnt abused it well enough (yes he had banelings, but no infestors to support them). It seems like Foxer is relying purely on his micro to win the game, and it was very close and Kyrix overcommitted numerous time. If Zergbong studies Foxer's playstyle he can come with something that will crush Foxer imo.


Actually, the only thing that will stop FoxeR's strat is good ovi drops as FD demonstrated in game 2 (but still lost )

How is zerg supposed to get infestors. They're so gas heavy, need energy and with FoxeR splitting marines so well, even infestors won't be useful unless he is caught completely off guard. What kyrix did was probably one of the better counters to FoxeR's strat and it almost beat him. Even FoxeR admitted that had he gone infestors, his marine ball would have steamrolled him during the transition.

Kyrix would have beaten him if he cut the aggression off creep and expanded whenever foxer's army was dead rather than trying to finish it.
<3 DongRaeGu <3
Benshin88
Profile Joined September 2010
United States183 Posts
November 04 2010 13:36 GMT
#1456
why is boxer soooo good? a couple month ago he wasn't nearly as impressive in the replays I've watched.
AbsentLover
Profile Joined July 2009
Romania84 Posts
November 04 2010 13:37 GMT
#1457
Hey, i just woke up. What was the score between foxer - itr?
Airship
Profile Joined August 2010
United States465 Posts
November 04 2010 13:37 GMT
#1458
On November 04 2010 22:32 Draconicfire wrote:
I think that FoxeR was just screwing around the first game. His play was definitely wasn't as solid, and he tried fun things like nuking hatches. It would make sense that he would mask his own skill to trick Fruitdealer into underestimating him, which worked.


Are you serious? He most likely lacked confidence in that game, in my opinion. However, I think it does provide some insight regarding discussion on his TvZ.
Gescom
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada3513 Posts
November 04 2010 13:50 GMT
#1459
On November 04 2010 22:37 AbsentLover wrote:
Hey, i just woke up. What was the score between foxer - itr?

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thoradycus
Profile Joined August 2010
Malaysia3262 Posts
November 04 2010 13:51 GMT
#1460
its 4-1, a best of 7.
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