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On November 04 2010 20:44 Seraph.yongweihua wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2010 20:34 abrasion wrote: Marines in the hands of a capable player seems incredible - I would like to see Foxer vs a Protoss player and see what options they have. I think I know his solution to templar storm already. Marines. I have no idea how he would pull it off but I'm sure it would work when he starts micro'ing.
Protoss would never make it to HT.
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On November 04 2010 20:50 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2010 20:45 Moragon wrote:On November 04 2010 20:38 necmon wrote: what's wrong with tier1 units if you have a lot of them and micro them like crazy? Nothing at all ^^ Um, that you are supposed to use different strategies for playing against different races, different opponents, different units, and different maps, and not just use the same unit to win in every situation? You're supposed ? You're supposed to win first of all. At least, winning with a basic unit takes class. =D
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On November 04 2010 20:48 taintmachine wrote: i think the venom towards foxer is unfortunate because it tells me that people have to be absolutely retarded to not appreciate his builds and micro. for instance, foxer vs. kyrix is one of the best series, if not the best, we've had throughout both GSLs from a spectator PoV, and it was because of this darkhorse "abusing" tier 1 aggression like a maniac.
and then they think blink stalker all-in is amazing. "omg he blinks them 1 by 1 when they get low!"
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On November 04 2010 20:50 Douillos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2010 20:46 JinDesu wrote:On November 04 2010 20:45 Douillos wrote: Did foxer play a protoss in this gsl? Yes, he beat SangHo/BabyByeBye ok ill have to check the games out... Did he do the same stuff? what was the p's response?
Yes http://www.gomtv.net/2010gslopens2/vod/1255 He lost due to a single missed forcefield.
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On November 04 2010 20:18 Thurokiir wrote: Yea its Fauxer btw, Foxer is for people that don't know the english language.
And Fauxer is for people that don't know how to pronounce the English language.
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On November 04 2010 20:55 Deadlyfish wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2010 20:52 MrCon wrote:On November 04 2010 20:48 taintmachine wrote: i think the venom towards foxer is unfortunate because it tells me that people have to be absolutely retarded to not appreciate his builds and micro. for instance, foxer vs. kyrix is one of the best series, if not the best, we've had throughout both GSLs from a spectator PoV, and it was because of this darkhorse "abusing" tier 1 aggression like a maniac. This. It's sad how people don't understand starcraft...I'm sad for people who can't appreciate the games foxer gives to us  I do think people appreciate them, i know i do. But that doesnt mean that i wouldnt like to see something besides mass marine. A 45 min game with Foxer would be much better than a game that ends in 7mins with only marines. Blame ITR for going for bad strats that died quick rather than Foxer's playstyle tbh. The series vs Kyrix showed that Foxer has pretty solid lategame play too.
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On November 04 2010 20:53 nam nam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2010 20:48 taintmachine wrote: i think the venom towards foxer is unfortunate because it tells me that people have to be absolutely retarded to not appreciate his builds and micro. for instance, foxer vs. kyrix is one of the best series, if not the best, we've had throughout both GSLs from a spectator PoV, and it was because of this darkhorse "abusing" tier 1 aggression like a maniac. It's always been like this. The same happened with Morrow in beta and after release. It didn't really matter if he played eco or not, just because he massed reapers he was apparently bad no matter what.
Very true indeed. People ignored how good Morrow's micro was, I especially liked the Xel'Naga Caverns game vs. IdrA i think, in the Zotac cup long time ago. I didn't care whether or not reapers were OP, I was just amazed how he got so much damage in, from a very fragile unit, and he pushed it into his favor.
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Foxer is just one step ahead of the game. I always thought that SC2 would evolve into micro wars once players get good enough to perfect the far easier (compared to BW) macro mechanics. Foxer simplified macro even further by concentrating on mostly marines and spending probably ungodly hours in perfecting his usage of them. I'm not saying his macro is perfect, but it's near perfect enough into the early/mid game to support his strategy. DPS-wise, nothing is as cost effective. They're just really fragile. He solves this weakness with superior micro play.
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On November 04 2010 20:55 Deadlyfish wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2010 20:52 MrCon wrote:On November 04 2010 20:48 taintmachine wrote: i think the venom towards foxer is unfortunate because it tells me that people have to be absolutely retarded to not appreciate his builds and micro. for instance, foxer vs. kyrix is one of the best series, if not the best, we've had throughout both GSLs from a spectator PoV, and it was because of this darkhorse "abusing" tier 1 aggression like a maniac. This. It's sad how people don't understand starcraft...I'm sad for people who can't appreciate the games foxer gives to us  I do think people appreciate them, i know i do. But that doesnt mean that i wouldnt like to see something besides mass marine. A 45 min game with Foxer would be much better than a game that ends in 7mins with only marines.
Can't really blame foxer... his opponents are the ones to blame for not being able to stop him.
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Junkka, you're doing a great job. Much faster at translating and more confidence as well. Good job so far!
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There's actually a debate on which name is more appropriate?? fauxer or foxer wtf?
How gives a fuck really?
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On November 04 2010 20:43 Mellotron wrote: Hate to say it but both players made it into a boring, ugly series in my opinion. Im afraid i just really dont care if somebody can get a bunch of marines in a hurry. If Fake Boxer can show something other that his 1 trick then ill be impressed. Once his gimmick is figured out no one is going to fall for that anymore and hell be just another player. I hope for his sake he works some other elements into his style, because some of his decision making is dog shit. Once players have the time to take apart his gimmick all that hell have left is nothing. So hopefully he can improve further and expand his play and not be just some guy we barely remember in 5 years. He seems like a decent guy so i wish him luck.
Did you watched Nada vs Boxer? Nada tried cutesy builds while Boxer did the EXACT same thing 4 times. Boxer won 3vs1.
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On November 04 2010 20:59 Douillos wrote: There's actually a debate on which name is more appropriate?? fauxer or foxer wtf?
How gives a fuck really?
it also makes 0 difference. calling Kim Won Ki FruitDealer or FruitSeller or FruitsMerchant or xXxGokuxSellsxFruitxToxNarutoxXx has 0 impact.
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On November 04 2010 20:35 JunkkaGom wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2010 20:26 Tobberoth wrote: Such a stupid translator.
Congratz to Foxer, awesome games. Wasn't really a fail. Artosis skipped a question cuz he felt it wasn't a good one. I just thought he read wrong ID. Don't listen to him, ty very much for translating.
We love u!
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The problem is really the size of the maps. It's like putting a T and a Z spawn 50yds from each other in BW and the zerg going 4pool every game.
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People claiming he only marines clearly didn't watch g5.
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there will always be people who trying to express their hate towards the "class-card" its pretty same as the racism card...
for first place, they playing for win the prizes and not to entertain you. if you enjoy the games be welcomed, otherwise gtfo. if they have a very fat chance to win by an abusive strategy really what they should do? might just toss up thousand of dollars in equity, to entertain that prick on the other side of the planet, and lose with dignity? get a brain pls
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On November 04 2010 20:55 Deadlyfish wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2010 20:52 MrCon wrote:On November 04 2010 20:48 taintmachine wrote: i think the venom towards foxer is unfortunate because it tells me that people have to be absolutely retarded to not appreciate his builds and micro. for instance, foxer vs. kyrix is one of the best series, if not the best, we've had throughout both GSLs from a spectator PoV, and it was because of this darkhorse "abusing" tier 1 aggression like a maniac. This. It's sad how people don't understand starcraft...I'm sad for people who can't appreciate the games foxer gives to us  I do think people appreciate them, i know i do. But that doesnt mean that i wouldnt like to see something besides mass marine. A 45 min game with Foxer would be much better than a game that ends in 7mins with only marines.
you did see things besides mass marines. you saw FE leading into raxes, leading into tanks and medis/vikings. there were even marauders and SCVs in the pushes. timing pushes! adjustments to builds based on scouting (i assume refineries came when he scouted starport on steppes)! and upgrades! and drops! and good economy! in the kyrix match on xel'naga, you saw a hero banshee, marauders and siege tanks involved in a macro game that lasted a good while.
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On November 04 2010 21:00 mierin wrote: People claiming he only marines clearly didn't watch g5.
Yeah, he went marines, siege marines, and flying marines.
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