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taintmachine
Profile Joined May 2010
United States431 Posts
November 04 2010 11:48 GMT
#1341
i think the venom towards foxer is unfortunate because it tells me that people have to be absolutely retarded to not appreciate his builds and micro. for instance, foxer vs. kyrix is one of the best series, if not the best, we've had throughout both GSLs from a spectator PoV, and it was because of this darkhorse "abusing" tier 1 aggression like a maniac.
nedamise
Profile Joined August 2010
169 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-04 11:48:52
November 04 2010 11:48 GMT
#1342
On November 04 2010 20:45 Moragon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2010 20:38 necmon wrote:
what's wrong with tier1 units if you have a lot of them and micro them like crazy? Nothing at all ^^


Um, that you are supposed to use different strategies for playing against different races, different opponents, different units, and different maps, and not just use the same unit to win in every situation?


What you are supposed to do is use a strategy that gives you incredible results consistently while you are in the god damn 87k $ tournament and not try to cater to random people on TL that call you bad just because they don't like your style.
worosei
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia198 Posts
November 04 2010 11:48 GMT
#1343
On November 04 2010 20:45 zemiron wrote:
As much as I dislike Foxer (and it's a sports fan things, sometimes you just don't like players), I'm glad he's in the finals because I think he'll make it more competitive than ITR would. I have a feeling that ITR would have choked again in the Finals.

Here's hoping that NesTea gets through, so we can have a TvZ finals instead of a TvT.


i really want the real boxer in, cause foxer v boxer will be epic,

but foxer v kyrix i say was the best series of this tournament yet, and zergbong has been ripping it up pretty well, and with some clever builds..

it'll be curious to see whether boxer uses banshees still, because banshees just didnt seem that effective against foxer...

either way they'll be epic epic games with lots of terrible terrible damage
_KiM_
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada498 Posts
November 04 2010 11:48 GMT
#1344
I laugh at the people who think Foxer is a 1 trick pony. What he accomplishes by just using marines is nearly impossible to do,as it requires uber micro as well as perfect timing.

No, not everyone will be able to copy that style.
Douillos
Profile Joined May 2010
France3195 Posts
November 04 2010 11:49 GMT
#1345
On November 04 2010 20:44 gogogadgetflow wrote:
If Foxer vs Nestea, I think Nestea will have to 1base tech to infestors, or just turtle with spines on 2 bases and find a midgame push.


im not sure if larva wise that could do the trick...

Look a giraffe! Look a fist!!
thr0ttle
Profile Joined October 2010
Japan3 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-04 11:50:04
November 04 2010 11:49 GMT
#1346
Korean's age means "-th year" since they were born.
We are at full power.
Douillos
Profile Joined May 2010
France3195 Posts
November 04 2010 11:50 GMT
#1347
On November 04 2010 20:46 JinDesu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2010 20:45 Douillos wrote:
Did foxer play a protoss in this gsl?


Yes, he beat SangHo/BabyByeBye


ok ill have to check the games out... Did he do the same stuff? what was the p's response?
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noD
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
November 04 2010 11:50 GMT
#1348
cant believe ppl are bashing a guy that is so calm and humble ...
and anyone trying doing mass marine will probably get roflstomped ...
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
November 04 2010 11:50 GMT
#1349
On November 04 2010 20:45 Moragon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2010 20:38 necmon wrote:
what's wrong with tier1 units if you have a lot of them and micro them like crazy? Nothing at all ^^


Um, that you are supposed to use different strategies for playing against different races, different opponents, different units, and different maps, and not just use the same unit to win in every situation?

You're supposed ?
You're supposed to win first of all.
zemiron
Profile Joined August 2010
United States481 Posts
November 04 2010 11:50 GMT
#1350
On November 04 2010 20:35 JunkkaGom wrote:
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On November 04 2010 20:26 Tobberoth wrote:
Such a stupid translator.

Congratz to Foxer, awesome games.


Wasn't really a fail. Artosis skipped a question cuz he felt it wasn't a good one. I just thought he read wrong ID.


Thank you for your translation work. Don't let the jerks in this forum get you down.
"Fractal alligators. Like a normal alligator, but instead of arms, there are more alligators." -Day9
~GhoSt
Profile Joined October 2010
145 Posts
November 04 2010 11:50 GMT
#1351
On November 04 2010 20:40 locJ wrote:
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On November 04 2010 20:36 makgong wrote:
On November 04 2010 20:31 Psyclon wrote:
How old is Fake Boxer?

18 in korea


do people age differently in korea ?


In korea they judge your age the day you were concieved + Show Spoiler +
(egg + sperm)
,not when you came out the + Show Spoiler +
vajayjay
.

To get back on topic: I think Ellenpage is playing like how SC2 should be transitioning into. Early expanding, while having great timing attacks, kind of like + Show Spoiler +
broodwar
. And to be honest, there's not alot protoss can do about that marine timing push, as 5 rax mass rines can only be repelled with cannons + units, or stalled with sentries.

Either way, great play Ellenpage, goodjob making it to the finals.
BISU HWAITING!!
Kishkumen
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States650 Posts
November 04 2010 11:50 GMT
#1352
On November 04 2010 20:45 JinDesu wrote:
I think it's more that you start as at 1 (for a whole year) than from 0 to that 1.

Show nested quote +
On November 04 2010 20:43 Kishkumen wrote:
On November 04 2010 20:36 Moragon wrote:
we've already seen what he does about the counter to marines. he counters it with better controlled marines


This. To everyone who says to hard counter his marines the zergs have used baneling infestor on him, I cant think of a much harder counter, but he still wins making more marines and splitting them everywhere. As revolutionary as his play has been in this tournament people are going to copy it and something will have to be done, you cant have a strategy game boil down to just make a lot of your tier 1 unit.

According to IdrA, his strategy is countered pretty heavily by infestors. IdrA seemed pretty confident that a good Zerg with infestor/baneling could take Foxer's strategy down pretty easily.
you cant have a strategy game boil down to just make a lot of your tier 1 unit.

Day9 would beg to differ, since he's done several dailies on how good tier 1 macro builds are. People get too obsessed with this idea of tiers. Personally, marines are way more fun to watch than thors. And emerging strategies<>imba.


I dunno, Foxer said he's pretty confident against Infestor play, most likely because zerg would just get overwhelmed in trying to get to infestors.

I'm not a top level Zerg so I'm just repeating what I heard. IdrA sounded very confident infestors would counter it. I believe he said Kyrix was "retarded" for not going infestors.
Weird, last time I checked the UN said you need to have at least 200 APM and be rainbow league to be called human. —Liquid`TLO
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
November 04 2010 11:51 GMT
#1353
On November 04 2010 20:50 Douillos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2010 20:46 JinDesu wrote:
On November 04 2010 20:45 Douillos wrote:
Did foxer play a protoss in this gsl?


Yes, he beat SangHo/BabyByeBye


ok ill have to check the games out... Did he do the same stuff? what was the p's response?


He marine rushed the first game, but SangHo's lack of forcefields (he had 4 sentries out) lost him the game. Don't remember second game, but it was closer.
Yargh
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
November 04 2010 11:52 GMT
#1354
On November 04 2010 20:48 taintmachine wrote:
i think the venom towards foxer is unfortunate because it tells me that people have to be absolutely retarded to not appreciate his builds and micro. for instance, foxer vs. kyrix is one of the best series, if not the best, we've had throughout both GSLs from a spectator PoV, and it was because of this darkhorse "abusing" tier 1 aggression like a maniac.

This.
It's sad how people don't understand starcraft...I'm sad for people who can't appreciate the games foxer gives to us
Douillos
Profile Joined May 2010
France3195 Posts
November 04 2010 11:53 GMT
#1355
On November 04 2010 20:50 Kishkumen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2010 20:45 JinDesu wrote:
I think it's more that you start as at 1 (for a whole year) than from 0 to that 1.

On November 04 2010 20:43 Kishkumen wrote:
On November 04 2010 20:36 Moragon wrote:
we've already seen what he does about the counter to marines. he counters it with better controlled marines


This. To everyone who says to hard counter his marines the zergs have used baneling infestor on him, I cant think of a much harder counter, but he still wins making more marines and splitting them everywhere. As revolutionary as his play has been in this tournament people are going to copy it and something will have to be done, you cant have a strategy game boil down to just make a lot of your tier 1 unit.

According to IdrA, his strategy is countered pretty heavily by infestors. IdrA seemed pretty confident that a good Zerg with infestor/baneling could take Foxer's strategy down pretty easily.
you cant have a strategy game boil down to just make a lot of your tier 1 unit.

Day9 would beg to differ, since he's done several dailies on how good tier 1 macro builds are. People get too obsessed with this idea of tiers. Personally, marines are way more fun to watch than thors. And emerging strategies<>imba.


I dunno, Foxer said he's pretty confident against Infestor play, most likely because zerg would just get overwhelmed in trying to get to infestors.

I'm not a top level Zerg so I'm just repeating what I heard. IdrA sounded very confident infestors would counter it. I believe he said Kyrix was "retarded" for not going infestors.



I thought zenio taught idra not to go around talking shit about people. Guess he deserves another humiliation in the next gsl.
Look a giraffe! Look a fist!!
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
November 04 2010 11:53 GMT
#1356
On November 04 2010 20:48 taintmachine wrote:
i think the venom towards foxer is unfortunate because it tells me that people have to be absolutely retarded to not appreciate his builds and micro. for instance, foxer vs. kyrix is one of the best series, if not the best, we've had throughout both GSLs from a spectator PoV, and it was because of this darkhorse "abusing" tier 1 aggression like a maniac.


It's always been like this. The same happened with Morrow in beta and after release. It didn't really matter if he played eco or not, just because he massed reapers he was apparently bad no matter what.
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
November 04 2010 11:53 GMT
#1357
I find Foxer's games fucking amazing because I love seeing how much mileage he gets out of his units and how well he uses them throughout the game. His play is really exciting to watch both as a spectator and a player.
eggs
Profile Joined August 2010
1011 Posts
November 04 2010 11:53 GMT
#1358
On November 04 2010 20:50 Kishkumen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2010 20:45 JinDesu wrote:
I think it's more that you start as at 1 (for a whole year) than from 0 to that 1.

On November 04 2010 20:43 Kishkumen wrote:
On November 04 2010 20:36 Moragon wrote:
we've already seen what he does about the counter to marines. he counters it with better controlled marines


This. To everyone who says to hard counter his marines the zergs have used baneling infestor on him, I cant think of a much harder counter, but he still wins making more marines and splitting them everywhere. As revolutionary as his play has been in this tournament people are going to copy it and something will have to be done, you cant have a strategy game boil down to just make a lot of your tier 1 unit.

According to IdrA, his strategy is countered pretty heavily by infestors. IdrA seemed pretty confident that a good Zerg with infestor/baneling could take Foxer's strategy down pretty easily.
you cant have a strategy game boil down to just make a lot of your tier 1 unit.

Day9 would beg to differ, since he's done several dailies on how good tier 1 macro builds are. People get too obsessed with this idea of tiers. Personally, marines are way more fun to watch than thors. And emerging strategies<>imba.


I dunno, Foxer said he's pretty confident against Infestor play, most likely because zerg would just get overwhelmed in trying to get to infestors.

I'm not a top level Zerg so I'm just repeating what I heard. IdrA sounded very confident infestors would counter it. I believe he said Kyrix was "retarded" for not going infestors.


infestors come in a little late, and don't have that much energy. each infestor also costs as much gas as 6 banelings. by the time they come out, Foxer has so many reactor'd barracks with a steady stream of marines that 1 or 2 fungals won't really be that different from having 6 more banelings.
Douillos
Profile Joined May 2010
France3195 Posts
November 04 2010 11:54 GMT
#1359
On November 04 2010 20:51 JinDesu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2010 20:50 Douillos wrote:
On November 04 2010 20:46 JinDesu wrote:
On November 04 2010 20:45 Douillos wrote:
Did foxer play a protoss in this gsl?


Yes, he beat SangHo/BabyByeBye


ok ill have to check the games out... Did he do the same stuff? what was the p's response?


He marine rushed the first game, but SangHo's lack of forcefields (he had 4 sentries out) lost him the game. Don't remember second game, but it was closer.


ok thx for info
Look a giraffe! Look a fist!!
Deadlyfish
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1980 Posts
November 04 2010 11:55 GMT
#1360
On November 04 2010 20:52 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2010 20:48 taintmachine wrote:
i think the venom towards foxer is unfortunate because it tells me that people have to be absolutely retarded to not appreciate his builds and micro. for instance, foxer vs. kyrix is one of the best series, if not the best, we've had throughout both GSLs from a spectator PoV, and it was because of this darkhorse "abusing" tier 1 aggression like a maniac.

This.
It's sad how people don't understand starcraft...I'm sad for people who can't appreciate the games foxer gives to us



I do think people appreciate them, i know i do. But that doesnt mean that i wouldnt like to see something besides mass marine. A 45 min game with Foxer would be much better than a game that ends in 7mins with only marines.
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