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catamorphist
Profile Joined May 2010
United States297 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-01 15:30:05
November 01 2010 15:27 GMT
#3021
I use a restream because GOM wants me to register for their site and download and use some oddball shitty GOM video player to watch theirs. Not a big mystery.
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/281144/1/catamorphist/
Ocedic
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1808 Posts
November 01 2010 15:28 GMT
#3022
I watch the official GOM stream because I've never had issues with it, but I have a friend who watches restreams because he didn't want to install the GOM player. Just curious, what is inherently wrong with restream of the free stream? I can understand restream of the HQ stream being frowned upon, since that is a service they are selling, but the free stream is, well, free anyways.
dcemuser
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3248 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-01 15:33:18
November 01 2010 15:28 GMT
#3023
On November 02 2010 00:23 st3roids wrote:
tournament wise they are and ladder wise as well last i checked.

About blizzard statistics , you should know that many times blizzard simply goes into outrageous claims than admit their failing with balance.

Since early realease there was no major tournament that toss did anything special apart the latest blizzcon but statistically is more of a blanck swan than anything else.


About restreams find me tha definetely law that legalise restreams or stop pulling claims out of your a$$.

Last i check law in these matters - aka restreaming egames that are carried by a third party - aka bnet - doesnt not exist. Why is this cause is freaking hard to legalised a low quality restream from a game in bnet - which is supposevely free for all account holders and easy becomes a mess .

so there is no law for that - least a definetely one and outside u.s there nothing - not to mention originall streams are from japan who are free to watch there so...


MLG Raleigh as well as Blizzcon, but you mentioned that.

Restreaming games is made illegal by just about every country's IP law on the planet. GOMTV owns the rights to SC2 and Battle.net. Therefore, they own the rights to every broadcast of the game.

Therefore, restreams are illegal. There is no question as to whether or not they are illegal.

Edit: Look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Related_rights#Broadcasting_organisations
100% illegal.
zemiron
Profile Joined August 2010
United States481 Posts
November 01 2010 15:29 GMT
#3024
On November 01 2010 23:14 Ocedic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2010 23:07 kojinshugi wrote:
On November 01 2010 22:45 zemiron wrote:
On November 01 2010 22:38 Squeegy wrote:
On November 01 2010 22:22 zemiron wrote:
On November 01 2010 22:12 Kraznaya wrote:
On November 01 2010 22:10 zemiron wrote:
Wow, it's looking like a pretty boring semifinals. Three Terrans and a Zerg. Ugh... I'll watch, but I'm not really that excited.


if you're not excited about Boxer or Nada, you're not excited about Starcraft


Or I have a different opinion than everyone else. I didn't come to Starcraft 2 from Brood War, so Boxer and Nada don't mean much to me. I prefer mixed matchups instead of mirror matchups regardless of who is playing. And please don't flame me because I'm a "noob" fan or whatever.


You're not excited about Starcraft.


Thank you for assuming incorrect things about me. Fortunately for you, I don't do the same thing.


I didn't come from Brood War either and I for one am still excited to see two amazing players do a bo5 mirror match.

I can understand disliking ZvZ because it's so often such a retarded bling vs bling back and forth that never ever gets to a late game, but TvT is nearly a guaranteed 3+ base game.

I guess TvT is boring if you prefer the paper/rock/scissors BO vs BO games to long strategic games where people fight for control of territory instead of having a "can he build 5 colossi before the other guy makes 6 vikings?" contest.


Just because you don't understand the matchups doesn't mean they aren't good for people who do. I play random so I enjoy watching ALL matchups, yes including the 'dreaded mirror matches.' There are those who would say PvX is boring, and you would probably disagree. Thus, it's all a matter of opinion, and when it comes to the final 4, there's a fairly decent chance 1 race will be missing. If it happens to be the race you want to see, tough luck, but no one owes you anything.


I'm not sure how you infer that I don't understand the matchups when I say that I don't think that some are as interesting. That's a pretty big logical leap that you are taking there. Again with the assuming.

I actually don't mind playing mirror matchups at all, but when I am watching pro matches, I would much rather watch non-mirror matches because I find them much more interesting than non-mirror matches. Nothing more, nothing less. I do take other factors into account though and will be pleasantly surprised if the mirror matches we have coming up are, in fact, incredibly. I'm just not as excited as I was. I don't see anything wrong with that.

I never said that anyone owed anything. I just stated my opinion and got flamed for it. Everyone has their own preferred matchups and that's fine. I was just stating mine.
"Fractal alligators. Like a normal alligator, but instead of arms, there are more alligators." -Day9
catamorphist
Profile Joined May 2010
United States297 Posts
November 01 2010 15:29 GMT
#3025
On November 02 2010 00:28 Ocedic wrote:
I watch the official GOM stream because I've never had issues with it, but I have a friend who watches restreams because he didn't want to install the GOM player. Just curious, what is inherently wrong with restream of the free stream? I can understand restream of the HQ stream being frowned upon, since that is a service they are selling, but the free stream is, well, free anyways.


I guess GOM doesn't like it since they can't track viewer activity on restreams.
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/281144/1/catamorphist/
TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
November 01 2010 15:29 GMT
#3026
On November 02 2010 00:28 Ocedic wrote:
Just curious, what is inherently wrong with restream of the free stream?

The official story (which makes sense anyway) is that Gretech wants to track the viewer numbers to make the tournament more appealing to sponsors.
http://aligulac.com || Barcraft Switzerland! || Zerg best race. || Stats-poster extraordinaire.
st3roids
Profile Joined June 2010
Greece538 Posts
November 01 2010 15:37 GMT
#3027
o well guess im wrong still consider that broadcast is free to watch in japan but pay to in other countries , can with the same sense , applied under descrimination laws as well ;p

and frankly is a f$ bs for us europeans.

also the fact that is carried by a third party - bnet - that gives all acount holders free acess is soemthign to consider as well.
AmishNukes
Profile Joined May 2010
United States98 Posts
November 01 2010 15:44 GMT
#3028
please don't feed the troll, he doesn't even know what country the GSL is in, or apparently that the standard stream is free.
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
November 01 2010 15:45 GMT
#3029
On November 02 2010 00:29 catamorphist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2010 00:28 Ocedic wrote:
I watch the official GOM stream because I've never had issues with it, but I have a friend who watches restreams because he didn't want to install the GOM player. Just curious, what is inherently wrong with restream of the free stream? I can understand restream of the HQ stream being frowned upon, since that is a service they are selling, but the free stream is, well, free anyways.


I guess GOM doesn't like it since they can't track viewer activity on restreams.


so they do track all the people that aren't able to watch their streams when they're full (always.)


haven't been able to watch the free stream on their site a single damn time so far :/
Kevmeister @ Dota2
ghostsquall
Profile Joined September 2010
United States187 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-01 15:48:18
November 01 2010 15:47 GMT
#3030
Wait, so are the rest of the matches in GSL TvT only?

edit: nvm, checked the site myself. would've been pretty lame. i really hope to see foxervsboxer finals. :D
i pwn n00bs
Slakter
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden1947 Posts
November 01 2010 15:47 GMT
#3031
On November 02 2010 00:45 FliedLice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2010 00:29 catamorphist wrote:
On November 02 2010 00:28 Ocedic wrote:
I watch the official GOM stream because I've never had issues with it, but I have a friend who watches restreams because he didn't want to install the GOM player. Just curious, what is inherently wrong with restream of the free stream? I can understand restream of the HQ stream being frowned upon, since that is a service they are selling, but the free stream is, well, free anyways.


I guess GOM doesn't like it since they can't track viewer activity on restreams.


so they do track all the people that aren't able to watch their streams when they're full (always.)


haven't been able to watch the free stream on their site a single damn time so far :/

Check the Live Test Stream instead. It´s a little more unstable but always works.
Protoss, can't live with em', can't kill em'.
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-01 15:51:06
November 01 2010 15:50 GMT
#3032
Why do people white knight Gom so hard? People post links to UFC streams in the threads here, I've yet to see someone talk about how those people disgust them for not buying the ppv. I don't know a single person who doesn't torrent movies and TV shows, should I be going out of my way to inform them that their actions make me sick to my stomach?

If Gom wants to enforce ownership of their tournament by stopping rebroadcasts let them by all means. That's their responsibility, not yours.

Personally if it wasn't for restreams I wouldn't have seen a single live game, whereas TV shows and movies are purely torrented out of convenience. So which sickens you more, and would you like a link to the Dexter thread so that you can let them know too?
neoenigma
Profile Joined October 2010
United States243 Posts
November 01 2010 15:51 GMT
#3033
On November 02 2010 00:29 TheBB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2010 00:28 Ocedic wrote:
Just curious, what is inherently wrong with restream of the free stream?

The official story (which makes sense anyway) is that Gretech wants to track the viewer numbers to make the tournament more appealing to sponsors.

That's all well and good... but if they don't like restreamers, they REALLY need to fix their issues.

During the match of FruitDealer vs Fake Boxer, my stream cut out when Fake Boxer first attacked. I couldn't reconnect via LQ or the LQ test stream. A LOT of people in the live chat had the exact same problem.

When the stream finally let me in, game 1 was over. The same thing happened in game 2. Stream lagged and died. I couldn't watch the game.

I paid for season 1 and season 2. Sometimes I watch VODs but I prefer LIVE. I have a 30/25 Fios connection. I can download at 3.9 MB/s sometimes. That is enough to watch 2 1080p streams side by side. So to you jerks that say "get a better connection..." please STFU.

When I actually discovered that people were restreaming, I was sooooo happy. I realize that some people have better luck connecting to GOM's streams than others... regardless of connection speeds. Even though I always load up Gom's HQ stream first because it looks better... the second it dies or lags to the point of being unwatchable, I head over to a restream so I can actually watch it.

I will continue to support GOM by paying for each season of the GSL... but I will also switch to a restream if the service fails to provide what I paid for.
TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
November 01 2010 15:52 GMT
#3034
On November 02 2010 00:51 neoenigma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2010 00:29 TheBB wrote:
On November 02 2010 00:28 Ocedic wrote:
Just curious, what is inherently wrong with restream of the free stream?

The official story (which makes sense anyway) is that Gretech wants to track the viewer numbers to make the tournament more appealing to sponsors.

That's all well and good... but if they don't like restreamers, they REALLY need to fix their issues.

(...)

I will continue to support GOM by paying for each season of the GSL... but I will also switch to a restream if the service fails to provide what I paid for.

I agree, and I will do the same.

And, by the way, since someone said it is possible to get a VLC link, I'll ask again: please, let me know how.
http://aligulac.com || Barcraft Switzerland! || Zerg best race. || Stats-poster extraordinaire.
wristuzi
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom1168 Posts
November 01 2010 16:00 GMT
#3035
Man, I find it interesting that TvT and TvZ have been the most exciting matches to watch in both of the GSLs so far.

PvT looks like it needs some work to make it more exciting. Shame it's 3T & 1Z again in the semis, HopeTorture is the killer of all our protoss hopes
MarineKingPrime ¯\_(シ)_/¯ // Naniwa ¯\_(シ)_/¯ // Morrow
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-01 16:01:44
November 01 2010 16:01 GMT
#3036
I can't believe I'm a Zerg player but I'm a FoxeR fan. I wasn't even a fan of TLO (terran), but FoxeR makes me all warm and fuzzy inside. I don't understand.
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
RushBoxer!
Profile Joined September 2010
United States173 Posts
November 01 2010 16:02 GMT
#3037
Kyrix and Foxer OMG!!!! that was such an insane match!
spoons and forks
McDonalds
Profile Joined March 2010
Liechtenstein2244 Posts
November 01 2010 16:03 GMT
#3038
On November 02 2010 00:50 floor exercise wrote:
Why do people white knight Gom so hard? People post links to UFC streams in the threads here, I've yet to see someone talk about how those people disgust them for not buying the ppv. I don't know a single person who doesn't torrent movies and TV shows, should I be going out of my way to inform them that their actions make me sick to my stomach?

Wait, what? This is a Starcraft forum. A lot of people here are emotionally invested in the success of "e-sports". I'm pretty sure that goes without saying.

If you want you can give me your friends' e-mail addresses. I'll call them buttholes for you.
High five :---)
AmstAff
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Germany949 Posts
November 01 2010 16:03 GMT
#3039
On November 02 2010 00:01 hagon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2010 23:43 RoieTRS wrote:
Because GOM's streams are really, really bad. Please don't be unnecessarily mean.


Even if this were true, which in my opinion it is not (HQ stream very occasionally lags slightly for me, twice I have been unable to connect to the stream, but pulling the link to VLC enabled me to watch), you seem to be under the mistaken belief that people have some automatic right to watch. They don't. If your not happy with the free stream or want the VOD's, buy the the premium service. If you don't want to spend $20, tough you'll have to put up with the free stream (how in hell is $20 any amount of money to anyone, even a 13-14yr old, in anything but a highly underdeveloped country?).


he just asked for a re-stream (I did it too) and with re-stream I asked for a re-stream of the free-stream. Its like the ESL stream, I dont get the octoshape thing to work and so I cant watch even the free-stream. Re-streams are great, especially because you just turn on ustream/livestream and dont have to install anything and some people are not always at home and can install every player on the world (its really strange that every site has his own players).
Its not about getting better quality for free, its about seeing the free-stream, so plz stop crying no one is stealing your 20$.
after 2 years i reached it = marine icon
vectorix108
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4633 Posts
November 01 2010 16:06 GMT
#3040
wow foxer! good for him. are we gonna see a foxer v. boxer finals!?
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