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Smackzilla
United States539 Posts
On November 01 2010 23:43 RoieTRS wrote: Because GOM's streams are really, really bad. Please don't be unnecessarily mean. You can try to rationalize it any way you want, but he was dead on. He wasn't being mean, he was telling it like it is. | ||
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hagon
United Kingdom556 Posts
On November 01 2010 23:43 RoieTRS wrote: Because GOM's streams are really, really bad. Please don't be unnecessarily mean. Even if this were true, which in my opinion it is not (HQ stream very occasionally lags slightly for me, twice I have been unable to connect to the stream, but pulling the link to VLC enabled me to watch), you seem to be under the mistaken belief that people have some automatic right to watch. They don't. If your not happy with the free stream or want the VOD's, buy the the premium service. If you don't want to spend $20, tough you'll have to put up with the free stream (how in hell is $20 any amount of money to anyone, even a 13-14yr old, in anything but a highly underdeveloped country?). | ||
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teacash
Canada494 Posts
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st3roids
Greece538 Posts
And streaming or re-streaming is illegal. Actually there is no definite law prohibiting restreaming esp for e games so its just bs from gom. im not saying thats right or not im just saying its not illegal. also anyone with some clue with statistics will tell you thats like 99.999 certain that toss are severly underpowered compare to terran and zerg in a lesser degree. the probability that a toss player wont be in the final 4 twice in a row consider that some rly good players exist (tester - genius are far superior and well known through beta than fauxer ffs ) is nearly 0. Fadct is that with patches we had 75% less toss in the final 8 than last gsl. So statistically speaking tthat toss is major screwed up as it is in bw. | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
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Yaotzin
South Africa4280 Posts
On November 02 2010 00:02 st3roids wrote: Actually there is no definite law prohibiting restreaming esp for e games so its just bs from gom. im not saying thats right or not im just saying its not illegal. Er, what? Of course it's illegal. A restream is reproducing their video stream without permission. That video stream is automatically copyrighted to GOM. e-sports or whatever has nothing at all to do with it. It's no different to restreaming football or baseball or whatever, which the respective organisations hate and shut down regularly. | ||
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Endorsed
Netherlands1221 Posts
On November 01 2010 22:51 jimmydic wrote: TBH if Terrans start to realize what 1 or 2 ghosts will do against Protoss we aren't going to see Protoss in the late stages of tourneys. Obviously EMP is much less useful against Zerg and Terran but against Protoss it becomes the most powerful AoE in the game. Unlike storm you can stack it one right after the other. 3-4 Ghosts or 450-450/600-600 in the late game to take half of the health of entire armies even units like Collossi? Stop Guardian Shield and Forcefields? And ghosts actually do great damage on their own against light units like Sentries, Zealots, and HTs. The BW comparisons are also irrelevent, EMP was a missile attack with a travel time in BW. hahahaha. The difference between EMP and Storm is this. WIth 4 storms the army of Terran is dead, with 4 EMP's the army of toss just lost all his shields. Ofcourse you have warpgate's with pylons all around the map spawning HT's+amulet. Late game TvP is rediculously P favored.(early game T) | ||
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fxSolo
United States42 Posts
On November 02 2010 00:02 st3roids wrote: Actually there is no definite law prohibiting restreaming esp for e games so its just bs from gom. im not saying thats right or not im just saying its not illegal. also anyone with some clue with statistics will tell you thats like 99.999 certain that toss are severly underpowered compare to terran and zerg in a lesser degree. the probability that a toss player wont be in the final 4 twice in a row consider that some rly good players exist (tester - genius are far superior and well known through beta than fauxer ffs ) is nearly 0. Fadct is that with patches we had 75% less toss in the final 8 than last gsl. So statistically speaking tthat toss is major screwed up as it is in bw. I'm not sure you can say statistically speaking they're underpowered when you make up the statistics for it. Blizzard's own numbers, flawed as they may be, show protoss in an advantage or close to 50% in most of the their match-ups, and a lot of pros feel like protoss is an extremely strong race so I'm sure there must be other factors. I am a toss player myself, but I feel like at this point we can't outright say "oh toss is underpowered" based on 2 tournaments - as a sample the amount of games played in GSL1 and 2 is small enough in the overarching scheme of things as to be insignificant - and you have to take into account player skill and performance at any given time. I don't think many people thought zerg was OP during the first GSL but FruitDealer won that. And I'm not sure how you can say that Tester and Genius are far superior (and I'm not sure why you're talking about beta???) to Foxer. He had some pretty impressive play in the past 2 rounds against very respectable opponents, he's a pro gamer from BW, and he has a dominating ladder record on the most competitive ladder in the world. It's not like he's a scrub or that he lucked into the quarterfinals. | ||
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
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kickazs
Norway540 Posts
 heads up for anyone else that havent seen it. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
Hell, I'm not even sure that restreaming the free stream is legal. Anyway, as a paying customer I'm sad too about the 720p vods bandwidth. Most of the time you have to either preload or just switch to low quality. But the LQ stream and the recent test stream are working perfectly since the 4th day of GSL1 for me (and all the people I know). Most of the time people who want restreams are just being too lazy to open an account at GOM, simple as that. Or they use the old GOM. Or they don't know that refreshing the LVE page gives you a new stream url so they never can see the stream if they have the "maximum users" message. I should make a GOM faq  | ||
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zemiron
United States481 Posts
On November 01 2010 23:07 kojinshugi wrote: I didn't come from Brood War either and I for one am still excited to see two amazing players do a bo5 mirror match. I can understand disliking ZvZ because it's so often such a retarded bling vs bling back and forth that never ever gets to a late game, but TvT is nearly a guaranteed 3+ base game. I guess TvT is boring if you prefer the paper/rock/scissors BO vs BO games to long strategic games where people fight for control of territory instead of having a "can he build 5 colossi before the other guy makes 6 vikings?" contest. I'm actually decently excited about seeing the Nada vs Boxer match because I've heard so much about those players. Hopefully it'll be a good match and not come down to tank/viking vs tank/viking because that is usually pretty boring no matter how many bases there are. But after that match, the semifinals just don't have the same excitement with three Terrans and a Zerg as they would if there were at least one Protoss involved. That's my opinion. I will admit that TvT is the most interesting of the mirror matchups, but I'd still rather see a non-mirror than TvT. Also you can have an RPS BO vs BO games in any matchup, so that's not really an argument for mirror matchups. | ||
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TheBB
Switzerland5133 Posts
On November 01 2010 23:59 Smackzilla wrote: You can try to rationalize it any way you want, but he was dead on. He wasn't being mean, he was telling it like it is. Some of us are stuck on Linux and we really need restreams. I have paid for a live ticket, believe it or not. I could even watch, back when the VLC link still worked. But now it doesn't. Thanks to restreams I can still watch the tournament, and Gretech still gets my money. If they want my number in their viewer count, they better cough up the technology that would allow me to watch. It's not like it would be hard, I could watch S1 just fine. My conscience is clear, anyhow. | ||
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dcemuser
United States3248 Posts
On November 02 2010 00:02 st3roids wrote: Actually there is no definite law prohibiting restreaming esp for e games so its just bs from gom. im not saying thats right or not im just saying its not illegal. also anyone with some clue with statistics will tell you thats like 99.999 certain that toss are severly underpowered compare to terran and zerg in a lesser degree. the probability that a toss player wont be in the final 4 twice in a row consider that some rly good players exist (tester - genius are far superior and well known through beta than fauxer ffs ) is nearly 0. Fadct is that with patches we had 75% less toss in the final 8 than last gsl. So statistically speaking tthat toss is major screwed up as it is in bw. This entire post is dead wrong, especially the first part, but also the balance section. TvP is very lopsided, but not in either side's favor. From BlizzCon 2010 Blizzard summary: Terran wins early game. Toss wins late game. Blizzard possible action: We may nerf stimpack, particularly on Marauders. We may also nerf Psi Storm. | ||
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zemiron
United States481 Posts
On November 01 2010 23:12 mindspike wrote: Maybe you should catch up on your SC then because Boxer vs Nada is like Jordan vs Magic. They are legends. I know they are legends and I said that I'm looking forward to seeing them play because I've heard so much about them. But only one of them can go on after that, and I would rather see one of them vs a Protoss or Zerg than against another Terran. I would find that much more interesting. | ||
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AmishNukes
United States98 Posts
On November 02 2010 00:12 Endorsed wrote: hahahaha. The difference between EMP and Storm is this. WIth 4 storms the army of Terran is dead, with 4 EMP's the army of toss just lost all his shields. Ofcourse you have warpgate's with pylons all around the map spawning HT's+amulet. Late game TvP is rediculously P favored.(early game T) Do you not like building units with your ghosts? Maybe that's your problem. | ||
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dcemuser
United States3248 Posts
On November 02 2010 00:19 TheBB wrote: Some of us are stuck on Linux and we really need restreams. I have paid for a live ticket, believe it or not. I could even watch, back when the VLC link still worked. But now it doesn't. Thanks to restreams I can still watch the tournament, and Gretech still gets my money. If they want my number in their viewer count, they better cough up the technology that would allow me to watch. It's not like it would be hard, I could watch S1 just fine. My conscience is clear, anyhow. You can still get VLC links, it is just a lot harder than before. | ||
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st3roids
Greece538 Posts
About blizzard statistics , you should know that many times blizzard simply goes into outrageous claims than admit their failing with balance. Since early realease there was no major tournament that toss did anything special apart the latest blizzcon but statistically is more of a black swan than anything else. About restreams find me tha definetely law that legalise restreams or stop pulling claims out of your a$$. Last i check law in these matters - aka restreaming egames that are carried by a third party - aka bnet - doesnt not exist. Why is this cause is freaking hard to legalised a low quality restream from a game in bnet - which is supposevely free for all account holders and easy becomes a mess . so there is no law for that - least a definetely one and outside u.s there nothing - not to mention originall streams are from japan who are free to watch there so... | ||
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iMox
Ukraine33 Posts
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TheBB
Switzerland5133 Posts
On November 02 2010 00:22 dcemuser wrote: You can still get VLC links, it is just a lot harder than before. Well, do enlighten me, if you know the way. I haven't seen a single post about it. I asked around during the first few days, no response. I still think it's pretty dipshit to prevent me from using VLC though. I don't think I've seen a single good reason for why that should be disallowed. I still need an account, I still need to pay, and they can still show me off to their sponsors. | ||
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