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Kage
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
India788 Posts
October 16 2010 21:01 GMT
#4061
SeleCT has incredible control over his stamina. That in itself is the most interesting thing to observe and note. Every game he has around 250 apm played over what 7 opponents in best of 3's? And then Tyler? Definitely commendable.

He would my hero if he could do that without just the mmm bio ball, but nevertheless very very impressive.
Arkedo
Profile Joined September 2010
United States95 Posts
October 16 2010 21:01 GMT
#4062
dam you huk fashion trend!!!!!
sleepingdog
Profile Joined August 2008
Austria6145 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-16 21:03:12
October 16 2010 21:01 GMT
#4063
On October 17 2010 05:53 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2010 05:49 sleepingdog wrote:
On October 17 2010 05:45 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
way to completely ignore select's incredible micro and decision-making!


I just don't get why you can't complain about boring MMM-tactics AND appreciate selects play at the same time?

I mean, I think select is one of the very best terrans in the western hemisphere when it comes down to micro....but still I find his gamestyle/overall-concept very predictable and boring; why does everything has to be black and white? why must it always come to either be 100% in favour or 100% against a player? there are aspects I admire about select's play and aspects I don't like; same goes for pretty much every player; what's wrong with that?


if those games weren't interesting to you simply because they featured a bio ball (reading this post of yours i don't think that's the case for you, but certainly for others here) then you (using the term "you" loosely here!) are missing out on incredibly important aspects of this game and simply seeing 'well he made some marauders', that makes you a bad player and "you" should keep quiet!


hmmm...I get your point, but I'm probably "biased" on this aspect because I come from warcraft 3; in warcraft 3 it was ALWAYS the same, there was no variety at all; there was one BO in each MU, you did it, and if you were better at micro you won, if not...duh...

watching MMM being effective vs basicly everything brings back bad memories of watching mass-casters in warcraft 3 (vanilla), be it either from orc or from human; I guess I just don't get excited over great micro that easily anymore lol, I simply love watching versatile players who often do kinky stuff to catch their opponents off guard; like fruitseller vs poor inca in GSL

but I never meant to discredit select in any way
"You see....YOU SEE..." © 2010 Sen
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
October 16 2010 21:01 GMT
#4064
btw anyone know how this series will start?

they havent met before so i assume its 0-0 and not an extended series?

Sramota
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden183 Posts
October 16 2010 21:01 GMT
#4065
The gaylord national?
FUMP!
dbddbddb
Profile Joined April 2010
Singapore969 Posts
October 16 2010 21:01 GMT
#4066
prediction:

mm every game. coupled with either medivacs or 2-4 vikings.
TheWoodLeagueAllstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom617 Posts
October 16 2010 21:02 GMT
#4067
On October 17 2010 05:58 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2010 05:56 Frack wrote:
On October 17 2010 05:53 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
On October 17 2010 05:49 sleepingdog wrote:
On October 17 2010 05:45 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
way to completely ignore select's incredible micro and decision-making!


I just don't get why you can't complain about boring MMM-tactics AND appreciate selects play at the same time?

I mean, I think select is one of the very best terrans in the western hemisphere when it comes down to micro....but still I find his gamestyle/overall-concept very predictable and boring; why does everything has to be black and white? why must it always come to either be 100% in favour or 100% against a player? there are aspects I admire about select's play and aspects I don't like; same goes for pretty much every player; what's wrong with that?


if those games weren't interesting to you simply because they featured a bio ball (reading this post of yours i don't think that's the case for you, but certainly for others here) then you (using the term "you" loosely here!) are missing out on incredibly important aspects of this game and simply seeing 'well he made some marauders', that makes you a bad player and "you" should keep quiet!

I fail to see how me having a supposedly "Greater understanding" of the game would change my opinion of the games i saw, i think its an elitist argument on a base level and on a greater level its not really a counter at all to what im saying, its sitting in the camp of "well you just wouldnt understand, its a bit over your head". I have said again and again that just because i thought the game was boring doesnt mean intrinsically it was to anyone else, but im allowed to have my opinion regardless. I appreciate his micro and i think he deserved the victory, but so far as being a spectator is concerned if the whole tournament was like that then id be sorely dissapointed.


i don't understand how you can completely seperate yourself into two entities like that. the 'spectator' who is easily bored by seeing the same units over and over, and the 'player' who appreciates the tremendous display of skill that was select vs nony. i don't understand how ANY competitive player can be bored of a sc2 match simply because he's seen marauders before.

Why not? I play football, i played semi pro football before an injury and i feel i can say a football game is boring despite clinical things happening and despite appreciating that a team uses a tactic that is effective. For example, a football team over here used route one goal kick to the opponents area every game, they rely on tall players to knock the ball on and fast players in behind to score. They do this every game, every free kick, every corner, tall players knock on quick players get in behind. I have played football to an ok standard, i have used this tactic and had it used against me, it is very simple in practice and works well against most teams but that doesnt mean the tactic itself is not horrendously boring to watch and, although effective is dispiriting to play in.

The same way i can use mmm, i can use it successfully and i can win with it, that doesnt mean the tactic isnt boring, doesnt mean i havent seen it hundreds of times and doesnt mean, like football, that though i can appreciate the tactic that i dont find it extremely boring to watch and play.

So there, hope that clarifies :/
Bunker rushing is the way to a mans heart <3
Piy
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Scotland3152 Posts
October 16 2010 21:02 GMT
#4068
On October 17 2010 05:58 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2010 05:56 Frack wrote:
On October 17 2010 05:53 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
On October 17 2010 05:49 sleepingdog wrote:
On October 17 2010 05:45 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
way to completely ignore select's incredible micro and decision-making!


I just don't get why you can't complain about boring MMM-tactics AND appreciate selects play at the same time?

I mean, I think select is one of the very best terrans in the western hemisphere when it comes down to micro....but still I find his gamestyle/overall-concept very predictable and boring; why does everything has to be black and white? why must it always come to either be 100% in favour or 100% against a player? there are aspects I admire about select's play and aspects I don't like; same goes for pretty much every player; what's wrong with that?


if those games weren't interesting to you simply because they featured a bio ball (reading this post of yours i don't think that's the case for you, but certainly for others here) then you (using the term "you" loosely here!) are missing out on incredibly important aspects of this game and simply seeing 'well he made some marauders', that makes you a bad player and "you" should keep quiet!

I fail to see how me having a supposedly "Greater understanding" of the game would change my opinion of the games i saw, i think its an elitist argument on a base level and on a greater level its not really a counter at all to what im saying, its sitting in the camp of "well you just wouldnt understand, its a bit over your head". I have said again and again that just because i thought the game was boring doesnt mean intrinsically it was to anyone else, but im allowed to have my opinion regardless. I appreciate his micro and i think he deserved the victory, but so far as being a spectator is concerned if the whole tournament was like that then id be sorely dissapointed.


i don't understand how you can completely seperate yourself into two entities like that. the 'spectator' who is easily bored by seeing the same units over and over, and the 'player' who appreciates the tremendous display of skill that was select vs nony. i don't understand how ANY competitive player can be bored of a sc2 match simply because he's seen marauders before.


I think his argument is that the games aren't particularly varied and that the unit mixes from Terran have been very similar in every TvP mu today, yet that doesn't prevent good players from appreciating good play. Seems like a reasonable observation right now from a spectator standpoint, the other mu's have been a lot more enjoyable to watch from a casual spectator standpoint.
My. Copy. Is. Here.
SavX
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom51 Posts
October 16 2010 21:02 GMT
#4069
On October 17 2010 06:01 Sramota wrote:
The gaylord national?


I heard it
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
October 16 2010 21:02 GMT
#4070
On October 17 2010 06:01 sleepingdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2010 05:53 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
On October 17 2010 05:49 sleepingdog wrote:
On October 17 2010 05:45 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
way to completely ignore select's incredible micro and decision-making!


I just don't get why you can't complain about boring MMM-tactics AND appreciate selects play at the same time?

I mean, I think select is one of the very best terrans in the western hemisphere when it comes down to micro....but still I find his gamestyle/overall-concept very predictable and boring; why does everything has to be black and white? why must it always come to either be 100% in favour or 100% against a player? there are aspects I admire about select's play and aspects I don't like; same goes for pretty much every player; what's wrong with that?


if those games weren't interesting to you simply because they featured a bio ball (reading this post of yours i don't think that's the case for you, but certainly for others here) then you (using the term "you" loosely here!) are missing out on incredibly important aspects of this game and simply seeing 'well he made some marauders', that makes you a bad player and "you" should keep quiet!


hmmm...I get your point, but I'm probably "biased" on this aspect because I come from warcraft 3; in warcraft 3 it was ALWAYS the same, there was no variety at all; there was one BO in each MU, you did it, and if you were better at micro you won, if not...duh...

watching MMM being effective vs basicly everything brings back bad memories of watching mass-casters in warcraft 3 (vanilla), be it either from orc or from human; I guess I just don't get excited over great micro that easily anymore lol, I simply love watching versatile players who often do kinky stuff to catch their opponents off guard; like fruitseller vs poor inca in GSL

MMM is a composition, not a BO.

You can open a variety of ways in TvP while making MMM.
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
October 16 2010 21:02 GMT
#4071
So the brAckets are wrong and select beat nony? Sorry I'm out of town following on phone with brackets. Also why isn't jp casting anymore?
http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png | Fighting games are great
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
October 16 2010 21:03 GMT
#4072
On October 17 2010 06:02 crms wrote:
So the brAckets are wrong and select beat nony? Sorry I'm out of town following on phone with brackets. Also why isn't jp casting anymore?

Correct, and DJWheat/JP seem to be alternating.
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
October 16 2010 21:03 GMT
#4073
ohgod, more backdoor
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
October 16 2010 21:03 GMT
#4074
Again with that backdoor lol
@113candlemagic Office lady by day, lonely woman at night. | Official lolicon of thread 94273
Goggalor
Profile Joined August 2010
United States310 Posts
October 16 2010 21:03 GMT
#4075
We ALLLL love the back door!
We are a way for the cosmos to know itself - Carl Sagan
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
October 16 2010 21:03 GMT
#4076
Trying to boil down my thoughts that came from this series.

1.) It is too easy for a terran to take an early game advantage.
2.) Too easy for a terran to overcome a protoss advantage.
3.) Too difficult for a protoss to rip an advantage from the terran.

I don't dislike select but his effective abuse of these three facts made me cringe. Reason 1 not too big a deal but combination of 2 and 3 are painful. Definitely waiting to see how kiwi plays PvT but that is how the series looked.
Sramota
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden183 Posts
October 16 2010 21:04 GMT
#4077
On October 17 2010 06:02 SavX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2010 06:01 Sramota wrote:
The gaylord national?


I heard it

Mixed with Wheat repeating what he wants the units to do with the backdoor..
I dunno, but there's something going on here..
FUMP!
IntoTheBush
Profile Joined July 2010
United States552 Posts
October 16 2010 21:04 GMT
#4078
not hating but I think they could get a better co-commentator than DjWheat. Studders too much lol
beetoo
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden92 Posts
October 16 2010 21:04 GMT
#4079
On October 17 2010 06:02 crms wrote:
So the brAckets are wrong and select beat nony? Sorry I'm out of town following on phone with brackets. Also why isn't jp casting anymore?


Yup, select beat tyler. JP and DJ are switching in between games.
Swirlyball!
Synche
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1345 Posts
October 16 2010 21:04 GMT
#4080
I like JP, DJ isn't as polished.
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