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On October 10 2010 18:03 motbob wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2010 18:01 thesighter wrote:
The last 2 days of qualifiers will be STACKED with the succesful players from season 1.
Putting on my tin foil hat, the players/brackets seem non-random. eg I think this is rigged.
I think that gomTV is looking to find new players to test this season, hence the experienced players from season 1 have mostly been placed in the last two days.
If the season1 r64 players were evenly spread out among the 4 days, there wouldn't be as many new faces. That makes zero sense. GOM has every incentive to rig the competition in the other direction; that is, to try to put successful players from last season against the least power competition possible.
Remember, this is GSL pre-season. The first season proper starts in the new year. These are ranking tournaments. Sure they could rank them but that is not the purpose of these events. These are to get the rankings to use in season one.
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On October 10 2010 18:01 thesighter wrote:
The last 2 days of qualifiers will be STACKED with the succesful players from season 1.
Putting on my tin foil hat, the players/brackets seem non-random. eg I think this is rigged.
I think that gomTV is looking to find new players to test this season, hence the experienced players from season 1 have mostly been placed in the last two days.
If the season1 r64 players were evenly spread out among the 4 days, there wouldn't be as many new faces.
Exactly the imperfection of the spread is what I think proof that its random. Besides, GomTV has no intrest in finding new players.
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I havent read the whole thread, but does anyone know when my favourite fruitdealer qualifies? Cuz, il start punching my screen if he doesnt qualify.
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On October 10 2010 18:04 Niick wrote:
@Thesighter, maybe a crap load of the ones from season 1 just didn't try out? maybe they have other things going on.. who knows! we'll find out!
I find that hard to believe, given the potential prize pool. If a significant number of them don't try out,
I'd say that the tourney organizers probably passed word on down for not all of the season 1 folks to show up.
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motbob
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On October 10 2010 18:09 Ascorius wrote:
I havent read the whole thread, but does anyone know when my favourite fruitdealer qualifies? Cuz, il start punching my screen if he doesnt qualify.
Look at the bold lines that top the OP.
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On October 10 2010 17:46 motbob wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2010 17:43 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 10 2010 17:40 Pervect wrote:On October 10 2010 17:35 bRuTaL!! wrote:
It aint looking pretty for the Zerg. Weird. Balance or a statistical anomaly? I haven't noticed any of the bigger names in qualifications yet like Cool, Check, Sopia, Junwi, Cezanne, Zenio, NesTea, TheWinD, jookTo, etc... I think it's clear Zerg still struggles the most, but I think the number being really, really low is a product of a lot of the bigger names not playing yet. is this sarcasm? Cause i cant help but notice a #1099 kr ladder terran guy. The #1099 Terran beat a zerg who's been only playing team games in his last 25 games -_- The good zergs are yet to come.
fine, ill spell it out, my point is that random terrans and protoss are qualifying while people somehow find it that only big named zergs are worthy of passing qualification.
unless someone can collect the entire statistics for qualification players that would show that the zerg players are far inferior to T/P ones(and on the race percentile basis not server percentile) the conclusions are what they are.
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Ro8 for C-1:
oGsCezanne vs Zeratul
JiTaeHoon (Guy Idra defeated last season) vs UFOMercy
MythPrime vs 변길섭
Foris vs 김태영 (aka Protoss?)
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On October 10 2010 18:13 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2010 17:46 motbob wrote:On October 10 2010 17:43 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 10 2010 17:40 Pervect wrote:On October 10 2010 17:35 bRuTaL!! wrote:
It aint looking pretty for the Zerg. Weird. Balance or a statistical anomaly? I haven't noticed any of the bigger names in qualifications yet like Cool, Check, Sopia, Junwi, Cezanne, Zenio, NesTea, TheWinD, jookTo, etc... I think it's clear Zerg still struggles the most, but I think the number being really, really low is a product of a lot of the bigger names not playing yet. is this sarcasm? Cause i cant help but notice a #1099 kr ladder terran guy. The #1099 Terran beat a zerg who's been only playing team games in his last 25 games -_- The good zergs are yet to come. fine, ill spell it out, my point is that random terrans and protoss are qualifying while people somehow find it that only big named zergs are worthy of passing qualification.
Look at the "notable eliminated players" section. How many zergs are there? How many Terrans and Protosses are there? More "known" tosses and terrans are getting eliminated by unknowns than zergs are.
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I lied, Looks like 류재현 aka 시아 will play 김수호 in the top semis of C-2.
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On October 10 2010 18:13 motbob wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2010 18:09 Ascorius wrote:
I havent read the whole thread, but does anyone know when my favourite fruitdealer qualifies? Cuz, il start punching my screen if he doesnt qualify. Look at the bold lines that top the OP.
Sorry just had to ask. GSL is so damn exciting.
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On October 10 2010 18:16 motbob wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2010 18:13 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 10 2010 17:46 motbob wrote:On October 10 2010 17:43 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 10 2010 17:40 Pervect wrote:On October 10 2010 17:35 bRuTaL!! wrote:
It aint looking pretty for the Zerg. Weird. Balance or a statistical anomaly? I haven't noticed any of the bigger names in qualifications yet like Cool, Check, Sopia, Junwi, Cezanne, Zenio, NesTea, TheWinD, jookTo, etc... I think it's clear Zerg still struggles the most, but I think the number being really, really low is a product of a lot of the bigger names not playing yet. is this sarcasm? Cause i cant help but notice a #1099 kr ladder terran guy. The #1099 Terran beat a zerg who's been only playing team games in his last 25 games -_- The good zergs are yet to come. fine, ill spell it out, my point is that random terrans and protoss are qualifying while people somehow find it that only big named zergs are worthy of passing qualification. Look at the "notable eliminated players" section. How many zergs are there? How many Terrans and Protosses are there? More "known" tosses and terrans are getting eliminated by unknowns than zergs are.
what about day1 failed to qualify? That seemed heavily dominated by the red fellows.
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변길섭 is the former OSL winner  Sync.
Wouldn't be surprised if he just 3 raxed every game.
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Roffles
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Anypro's opponent in the Ro8 is BlueJung.
Rain vs 이건길
Anypro vs BlueJung
Bottom part of C-2 bracket. Top part already in semis between 류재현 aka 시아 and 김수호 aka 수호신.
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On October 10 2010 17:54 bRuTaL!! wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2010 17:40 Pervect wrote:On October 10 2010 17:35 bRuTaL!! wrote:
It aint looking pretty for the Zerg. Weird. Balance or a statistical anomaly? I haven't noticed any of the bigger names in qualifications yet like Cool, Check, Sopia, Junwi, Cezanne, Zenio, NesTea, TheWinD, jookTo, etc... I think it's clear Zerg still struggles the most, but I think the number being really, really low is a product of a lot of the bigger names not playing yet. I agree, to a point. Losira failed to qualify, but he did lose to good player TankboyPrime. But it still does look like we are going to see less Zergs than in GSL1. Althought the average quality of the zergs will probably be higher.
Yeah, agreed. As HolydaKing said though, that means they might be in potentially stacked brackets overall or just plain be forced to eliminate each other to get the round of 64. Cezanne going on now, so gogo Cezanne ;D
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From a marketing standpoint it would benefit gsl to have a lot of new faces each season in the ro64.
They are trying to perpetuate the image that GSL and SC2 are open to everyone, and that everyone has a shot at 85k. They can't perpetuate that image if the same pros are in the ro64 every month.
Do I think it is rigged? Who knows, not particularly...
Do I think blizzard/gretech would go so far as to set their brackets up in a way that helps to market their league and game the way they want it to be marketed? Yes I think they are capable of it.
If you aren't biased you can see how gimmicky and transparent the approach to sc2 has been.
Whether it be asking tasteless early on to make sure he does zoom-ins on units and structures to advertise the graphics and pretty lights in sc2 (i thought this was about the competition and esports, not about highlighting the games graphics) or whether it be making sure tasteless talks about how packed the studio is when there are only a few rows of people.
I don't agree with that kind of tacky marketing strategy myself, I say if you are going to market sc2 as an esport let it stand on it's own merits, and if it is incapable of standing on it's own merits then you shouldn't be pushing it as an esport.
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On October 10 2010 18:18 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2010 18:16 motbob wrote:On October 10 2010 18:13 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 10 2010 17:46 motbob wrote:On October 10 2010 17:43 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 10 2010 17:40 Pervect wrote:On October 10 2010 17:35 bRuTaL!! wrote:
It aint looking pretty for the Zerg. Weird. Balance or a statistical anomaly? I haven't noticed any of the bigger names in qualifications yet like Cool, Check, Sopia, Junwi, Cezanne, Zenio, NesTea, TheWinD, jookTo, etc... I think it's clear Zerg still struggles the most, but I think the number being really, really low is a product of a lot of the bigger names not playing yet. is this sarcasm? Cause i cant help but notice a #1099 kr ladder terran guy. The #1099 Terran beat a zerg who's been only playing team games in his last 25 games -_- The good zergs are yet to come. fine, ill spell it out, my point is that random terrans and protoss are qualifying while people somehow find it that only big named zergs are worthy of passing qualification. Look at the "notable eliminated players" section. How many zergs are there? How many Terrans and Protosses are there? More "known" tosses and terrans are getting eliminated by unknowns than zergs are. what about day1 failed to qualify? That seemed heavily dominated by the red fellows.
The people on GTR's Day 1 list got on that list for reasons other than the quality of their play. Artosis, Luffy, GoStop, and Haypro are on that list because they're special in some way. GTR didn't keep a "these guys were high on ladder but lost anyway" list. The list that he posted was an afterthought and is pretty irrelevant when discussing balance.
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On October 10 2010 18:22 motbob wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2010 18:18 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 10 2010 18:16 motbob wrote:On October 10 2010 18:13 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 10 2010 17:46 motbob wrote:On October 10 2010 17:43 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 10 2010 17:40 Pervect wrote:On October 10 2010 17:35 bRuTaL!! wrote:
It aint looking pretty for the Zerg. Weird. Balance or a statistical anomaly? I haven't noticed any of the bigger names in qualifications yet like Cool, Check, Sopia, Junwi, Cezanne, Zenio, NesTea, TheWinD, jookTo, etc... I think it's clear Zerg still struggles the most, but I think the number being really, really low is a product of a lot of the bigger names not playing yet. is this sarcasm? Cause i cant help but notice a #1099 kr ladder terran guy. The #1099 Terran beat a zerg who's been only playing team games in his last 25 games -_- The good zergs are yet to come. fine, ill spell it out, my point is that random terrans and protoss are qualifying while people somehow find it that only big named zergs are worthy of passing qualification. Look at the "notable eliminated players" section. How many zergs are there? How many Terrans and Protosses are there? More "known" tosses and terrans are getting eliminated by unknowns than zergs are. what about day1 failed to qualify? That seemed heavily dominated by the red fellows. GTR's Day 1 list is based on things other than on quality. Artosis, Luffy, GoStop, and Haypro are on that list because they're special in some way. GTR didn't keep a "these guys were high on ladder but lost anyway" list. His list is pretty irrelevant when discussing balance; mine is not.
All those players +losira are pretty notable and highly ranked on the ladder(aside from gostop i dont know his account and artosis, but he makes up for it by being a gsl 1 qualifier). But allright, will just have to reserve judgement till the qualifiers are over.
However, on a personal level, do you think we will see improvement over next two days?
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He arrived here. The Emperor is in the waiting room. All his fans are waiting for his appearance. They are excited!!
From Gom's twitter feed.
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On October 10 2010 18:26 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2010 18:22 motbob wrote:On October 10 2010 18:18 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 10 2010 18:16 motbob wrote:On October 10 2010 18:13 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 10 2010 17:46 motbob wrote:On October 10 2010 17:43 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 10 2010 17:40 Pervect wrote:On October 10 2010 17:35 bRuTaL!! wrote:
It aint looking pretty for the Zerg. Weird. Balance or a statistical anomaly? I haven't noticed any of the bigger names in qualifications yet like Cool, Check, Sopia, Junwi, Cezanne, Zenio, NesTea, TheWinD, jookTo, etc... I think it's clear Zerg still struggles the most, but I think the number being really, really low is a product of a lot of the bigger names not playing yet. is this sarcasm? Cause i cant help but notice a #1099 kr ladder terran guy. The #1099 Terran beat a zerg who's been only playing team games in his last 25 games -_- The good zergs are yet to come. fine, ill spell it out, my point is that random terrans and protoss are qualifying while people somehow find it that only big named zergs are worthy of passing qualification. Look at the "notable eliminated players" section. How many zergs are there? How many Terrans and Protosses are there? More "known" tosses and terrans are getting eliminated by unknowns than zergs are. what about day1 failed to qualify? That seemed heavily dominated by the red fellows. GTR's Day 1 list is based on things other than on quality. Artosis, Luffy, GoStop, and Haypro are on that list because they're special in some way. GTR didn't keep a "these guys were high on ladder but lost anyway" list. His list is pretty irrelevant when discussing balance; mine is not. All those players +losira are pretty notable and highly ranked on the ladder(aside from gostop i dont know his account and artosis, but he makes up for it by being a gsl 1 qualifier). But allright, will just have to reserve judgement till the qualifiers are over. However, on a personal level, do you think we will see improvement over next two days?
Of course. Otherwise I wouldn't be arguing with you.
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