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Lovedrop
Profile Joined April 2010
2629 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-29 10:35:59
September 29 2010 10:35 GMT
#981
On September 29 2010 19:33 Devolved wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2010 19:28 Lovedrop wrote:
On September 29 2010 19:25 Devolved wrote:
On September 29 2010 19:21 Lovedrop wrote:
On September 29 2010 19:20 Tonyoh wrote:
OMG, I just noticed the final four all have their first name spelling "Kim" xD


That's a quite popular Korean LAST name.

It's not a last name if it is first. Just because the family name comes first does not change the definition of first and last.


...What ? Kim is a SURNAME, not a first name like Dan or Dario. Kim is to Wünsch as Won Ki is to Dario.

I didn't say that it wasn't his surname. I said it wasn't his last name. Kim comes first in the order you say/write his name, which makes it impossible to be his last name.


Surname = last name = family name. Only in a Western context your first (given) name comes first...Surname (family name) is written first in Asian countries...If it's not his last name, and it's not his first name, then what is it ? For example, in the U.S, it would be written as Kyle Kim. I'm astounded that I had to explain that.
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adeezy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1428 Posts
September 29 2010 10:35 GMT
#982
Also props to fruit dealer to showing roach muta one base is very viable. =P
I asked my friend how the ratio at a party was, he replied. "Let's just say for every guy there was two dudes."
evilsaint
Profile Joined August 2010
United States309 Posts
September 29 2010 10:36 GMT
#983
On September 29 2010 19:32 JinDesu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2010 19:30 Avaclon wrote:
On September 29 2010 19:27 ThemAcorns wrote:
Slightly off-topic but the interviews seem to have disappeared from the VOD's. >.>


All the interviews are now under the GomCam section to avoid spoilers on the front page (which shows all the VODs).


Ah ok. I was on the GomCam going "huh? I see them here"

Good to know their techs are listening to the feedback!


Mind linking that? I can't seem to find the link from the GOM page...
clusen
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany8702 Posts
September 29 2010 10:36 GMT
#984
On September 29 2010 19:33 Devolved wrote:
I didn't say that it wasn't his surname. I said it wasn't his last name. Kim comes first in the order you say/write his name, which makes it impossible to be his last name.

Afaik it is usual in asian cultures to atleast write the last name first, my asian friends do it and have it even on their doorbell that way.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
September 29 2010 10:37 GMT
#985
On September 29 2010 19:33 JinDesu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2010 19:32 Zholistic wrote:
On September 29 2010 19:30 adeezy wrote:
I think game 1 needs to be noted on how to deal with everything that the terran abuses against terran. Cool had impeccable timing to deal with bancheese and reaper harass.


Yes, fortunate it was cross-map.


This was so critical. If it wasn't for cross map, he would have lost so much more. Additionally, that marine marauder push was delayed JUST enough.


Just so you know he scouted the close positions before hatching first. If you saw his drone go to the other base while he overlord saw the other he knew it was cross positions and then did hatch first. I guarantee if it wasn't cross he wouldn't have hatch first and that game might have gone better for cool in the early game.

We'll never know and nor does it matter as Cool played soo good :D
When I think of something else, something will go here
hydraden
Profile Joined April 2010
United States719 Posts
September 29 2010 10:37 GMT
#986
On September 29 2010 19:20 Tonyoh wrote:
OMG, I just noticed the final four all have their first name spelling "Kim" xD


Those are their last name(family name).
Galleon.frigate
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada721 Posts
September 29 2010 10:38 GMT
#987
On September 29 2010 19:35 Lovedrop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2010 19:33 Devolved wrote:
On September 29 2010 19:28 Lovedrop wrote:
On September 29 2010 19:25 Devolved wrote:
On September 29 2010 19:21 Lovedrop wrote:
On September 29 2010 19:20 Tonyoh wrote:
OMG, I just noticed the final four all have their first name spelling "Kim" xD


That's a quite popular Korean LAST name.

It's not a last name if it is first. Just because the family name comes first does not change the definition of first and last.


...What ? Kim is a SURNAME, not a first name like Dan or Dario. Kim is to Wünsch as Won Ki is to Dario.

I didn't say that it wasn't his surname. I said it wasn't his last name. Kim comes first in the order you say/write his name, which makes it impossible to be his last name.


Surname = last name = family name. Only in a Western context your first (given) name comes first...Surname (family name) is written first in Asian countries...If it's not his last name, and it's not his first name, then what is it ? For example, in the U.S, it would be written as Kyle Kim. I'm astounded that I had to explain that.


hahah no no he's easternized his use of the word first!

He is saying first name (name that is written first) and you are hearing first name (given name)

love the internets
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
September 29 2010 10:39 GMT
#988
On September 29 2010 19:37 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2010 19:33 JinDesu wrote:
On September 29 2010 19:32 Zholistic wrote:
On September 29 2010 19:30 adeezy wrote:
I think game 1 needs to be noted on how to deal with everything that the terran abuses against terran. Cool had impeccable timing to deal with bancheese and reaper harass.


Yes, fortunate it was cross-map.


This was so critical. If it wasn't for cross map, he would have lost so much more. Additionally, that marine marauder push was delayed JUST enough.


Just so you know he scouted the close positions before hatching first. If you saw his drone go to the other base while he overlord saw the other he knew it was cross positions and then did hatch first. I guarantee if it wasn't cross he wouldn't have hatch first and that game might have gone better for cool in the early game.

We'll never know and nor does it matter as Cool played soo good :D


Yep, that gave him a lot more advantage.

On September 29 2010 19:36 evilsaint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2010 19:32 JinDesu wrote:
On September 29 2010 19:30 Avaclon wrote:
On September 29 2010 19:27 ThemAcorns wrote:
Slightly off-topic but the interviews seem to have disappeared from the VOD's. >.>


All the interviews are now under the GomCam section to avoid spoilers on the front page (which shows all the VODs).


Ah ok. I was on the GomCam going "huh? I see them here"

Good to know their techs are listening to the feedback!


Mind linking that? I can't seem to find the link from the GOM page...


GomCam: http://www.gomtv.net/2010gslopens1/gomcam/
Yargh
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
September 29 2010 10:39 GMT
#989
On September 29 2010 19:38 Galleon.frigate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2010 19:35 Lovedrop wrote:
On September 29 2010 19:33 Devolved wrote:
On September 29 2010 19:28 Lovedrop wrote:
On September 29 2010 19:25 Devolved wrote:
On September 29 2010 19:21 Lovedrop wrote:
On September 29 2010 19:20 Tonyoh wrote:
OMG, I just noticed the final four all have their first name spelling "Kim" xD


That's a quite popular Korean LAST name.

It's not a last name if it is first. Just because the family name comes first does not change the definition of first and last.


...What ? Kim is a SURNAME, not a first name like Dan or Dario. Kim is to Wünsch as Won Ki is to Dario.

I didn't say that it wasn't his surname. I said it wasn't his last name. Kim comes first in the order you say/write his name, which makes it impossible to be his last name.


Surname = last name = family name. Only in a Western context your first (given) name comes first...Surname (family name) is written first in Asian countries...If it's not his last name, and it's not his first name, then what is it ? For example, in the U.S, it would be written as Kyle Kim. I'm astounded that I had to explain that.


hahah no no he's easternized his use of the word first!

He is saying first name (name that is written first) and you are hearing first name (given name)

love the internets


I don't even think it is "easternizing," he is just being overly nitpicky about semantics.
Ascorius
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway275 Posts
September 29 2010 10:40 GMT
#990
Up until now, I have always had the epic games from IEM cologne in the back of my head as the most epic tournament games. But this.... this was so god damn epic. Seeing a terran doing so well placed harass and killing off expos but still being way behind because Cool is a friggin macro machine. And his attacks... I friggin jumped out of my chair and spilled beer... Cool my god damn hero. Deal that fruit man!
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
September 29 2010 10:40 GMT
#991
On September 29 2010 19:27 dbddbddb wrote:
Seriously the GSL winner needs to buy translator guy a god damn chair for GSL2.


lmao this
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Blind
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States2529 Posts
September 29 2010 10:41 GMT
#992
On September 29 2010 19:35 waxypants wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2010 19:33 Devolved wrote:
On September 29 2010 19:28 Lovedrop wrote:
On September 29 2010 19:25 Devolved wrote:
On September 29 2010 19:21 Lovedrop wrote:
On September 29 2010 19:20 Tonyoh wrote:
OMG, I just noticed the final four all have their first name spelling "Kim" xD


That's a quite popular Korean LAST name.

It's not a last name if it is first. Just because the family name comes first does not change the definition of first and last.


...What ? Kim is a SURNAME, not a first name like Dan or Dario. Kim is to Wünsch as Won Ki is to Dario.

I didn't say that it wasn't his surname. I said it wasn't his last name. Kim comes first in the order you say/write his name, which makes it impossible to be his last name.


Except that in the English language, the phrase "last name" means "surname" regardless of the location.

Exactly. The phrases "first name" and "last name" have a specific meaning that isn't meant to be broken up into the meaning of its parts. It would not be correct in an application to put "Kim" for the "first name" field if it's your surname.
Khalum
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria831 Posts
September 29 2010 10:42 GMT
#993
Semi-OT:

In the OP, the tlpd-link for cool leads to his bw entry, not the sc2 entry.

It should lead there: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/players/97_Cool
Goobus
Profile Joined May 2010
Hong Kong587 Posts
September 29 2010 10:45 GMT
#994
On September 29 2010 19:39 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2010 19:38 Galleon.frigate wrote:
On September 29 2010 19:35 Lovedrop wrote:
On September 29 2010 19:33 Devolved wrote:
On September 29 2010 19:28 Lovedrop wrote:
On September 29 2010 19:25 Devolved wrote:
On September 29 2010 19:21 Lovedrop wrote:
On September 29 2010 19:20 Tonyoh wrote:
OMG, I just noticed the final four all have their first name spelling "Kim" xD


That's a quite popular Korean LAST name.

It's not a last name if it is first. Just because the family name comes first does not change the definition of first and last.


...What ? Kim is a SURNAME, not a first name like Dan or Dario. Kim is to Wünsch as Won Ki is to Dario.

I didn't say that it wasn't his surname. I said it wasn't his last name. Kim comes first in the order you say/write his name, which makes it impossible to be his last name.


Surname = last name = family name. Only in a Western context your first (given) name comes first...Surname (family name) is written first in Asian countries...If it's not his last name, and it's not his first name, then what is it ? For example, in the U.S, it would be written as Kyle Kim. I'm astounded that I had to explain that.


hahah no no he's easternized his use of the word first!

He is saying first name (name that is written first) and you are hearing first name (given name)

love the internets


I don't even think it is "easternizing," he is just being overly nitpicky about semantics.


If I'm speaking in a Western context, then my first name = my given name and my last name = my family name. Whether my family name comes first or second doesn't matter. So even if "Kim" comes first, it is a last name when we are speaking out of a Western perspective. As far as I'm concerned, the use of the term "last name" in the West means "family name."

So yeah, calling "Kim" a first name is pretty wrong.
boesthius
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States11637 Posts
September 29 2010 10:49 GMT
#995
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pikapika
Profile Joined September 2010
Korea (South)74 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-29 10:52:41
September 29 2010 10:52 GMT
#996
And this is why Cool is known as the #1 enemy of Zergs worldwide in Korea, he makes ZvT look unbalanced in favor of Zergs. :D


Not trying to talk balance here, just delivering a (not very serious) popular opinion.
Coo coo ca chu, everything's gonna work out just fine
Ascorius
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway275 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-29 11:05:14
September 29 2010 11:00 GMT
#997
On September 29 2010 19:52 pikapika wrote:
And this is why Cool is known as the #1 enemy of Zergs worldwide in Korea, he makes ZvT look unbalanced in favor of Zergs. :D


Not trying to talk balance here, just delivering a (not very serious) popular opinion.


Seriously that did not look easy. Several flanks, perfect timing, perfect fungalgs, perfect baneling bomb drops. So many factors in one attack. Plays like that is what makes e-sports wonderful to watch. Watching some terran turtle and kick ass with mech doesnt look impressive at all, neither does some simple click-s micro with reapers which for some reason only a few terrans know how to do (not saying that there arent impressive T's, but T seldom need to show skill sadly).

So my point is that Cools wins cant be used as weight for balance discussions. Especially since Top literally gave Cool the win against him for free.
waxypants
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States479 Posts
September 29 2010 11:01 GMT
#998
On September 29 2010 19:52 pikapika wrote:
And this is why Cool is known as the #1 enemy of Zergs worldwide in Korea, he makes ZvT look unbalanced in favor of Zergs. :D


Not trying to talk balance here, just delivering a (not very serious) popular opinion.


Yes, expect to hear Terrans saying "but Cool won the first GSL with Zerg" for the next few months
smegged
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia213 Posts
September 29 2010 11:04 GMT
#999
I am in absolute awe of (Z)Fruit Dealer. His play is Just so flawless and spectacular and he manages to use every Tiny possible advantage to TurN the Game to his favour. I Really am speechless after how well he played tonight. He won by the slimmest of margins at times but turned those Tiny margins Into crushing victories.

I can't wait to see the grand final now. So epic.
"I'm usually happy when I can see Dark Templar, Its when I can't see them that I get angry." - Altar
evilsaint
Profile Joined August 2010
United States309 Posts
September 29 2010 11:14 GMT
#1000
On September 29 2010 19:39 JinDesu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2010 19:37 blade55555 wrote:
On September 29 2010 19:33 JinDesu wrote:
On September 29 2010 19:32 Zholistic wrote:
On September 29 2010 19:30 adeezy wrote:
I think game 1 needs to be noted on how to deal with everything that the terran abuses against terran. Cool had impeccable timing to deal with bancheese and reaper harass.


Yes, fortunate it was cross-map.


This was so critical. If it wasn't for cross map, he would have lost so much more. Additionally, that marine marauder push was delayed JUST enough.


Just so you know he scouted the close positions before hatching first. If you saw his drone go to the other base while he overlord saw the other he knew it was cross positions and then did hatch first. I guarantee if it wasn't cross he wouldn't have hatch first and that game might have gone better for cool in the early game.

We'll never know and nor does it matter as Cool played soo good :D


Yep, that gave him a lot more advantage.

Show nested quote +
On September 29 2010 19:36 evilsaint wrote:
On September 29 2010 19:32 JinDesu wrote:
On September 29 2010 19:30 Avaclon wrote:
On September 29 2010 19:27 ThemAcorns wrote:
Slightly off-topic but the interviews seem to have disappeared from the VOD's. >.>


All the interviews are now under the GomCam section to avoid spoilers on the front page (which shows all the VODs).


Ah ok. I was on the GomCam going "huh? I see them here"

Good to know their techs are listening to the feedback!


Mind linking that? I can't seem to find the link from the GOM page...


GomCam: http://www.gomtv.net/2010gslopens1/gomcam/


Thank you kindly!
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