Easy way to avoid the endless tiebreak situation: 3 player double elim bracket. Hang on here while I explain it. Players are randomly sorted as they would be into a four player bracket with one bye.

Player 1 and player 2 get matched up in round 1, player 3 gets a bye and waits in the next round.

Let's say player 2 loses he waits by the side while Player 1 plays player 3.

If player 1 wins then he's waiting while Player 2 and Player 3 play eachother and the winner of that plays Player 1 again for the top of the group and you have two players who are obviously the two winners who advance.

Telcontar

United Kingdom16710 Posts

September 07 2010 01:19 GMT

#542

On September 07 2010 09:34 iCCup.Raelcun wrote:
Easy way to avoid the endless tiebreak situation: 3 player double elim bracket. Hang on here while I explain it. Players are randomly sorted as they would be into a four player bracket with one bye.

Player 1 and player 2 get matched up in round 1, player 3 gets a bye and waits in the next round.

Let's say player 2 loses he waits by the side while Player 1 plays player 3.

If player 1 wins then he's waiting while Player 2 and Player 3 play eachother and the winner of that plays Player 1 again for the top of the group and you have two players who are obviously the two winners who advance.

yeah but that scenario depends on one player winning twice in a row. if they all start winning one and losing one, it'll still be an endless loop.

Raelcun

United States3747 Posts

September 07 2010 01:19 GMT

#543

No it's a bracket even if Player 1 wins then Player 3 beats him then it would be player 1 vs player 2 in the lower half of the bracket in order to play Player 3 again. You still wind up with a final result no matter what.


Player 1----
            |Player 1--
Player 2----           |
                       |Player 3
Player 3----           |
            |Player 3--
Bye---------

Losers Bracket

Player 2----
            |Winner
Player 1----

Each player will have to lose twice in order to be eliminated completely, and then Player 3 plays the winner of the bottom bracket for the top spot in group standings and the top seed #

edit: some luck involved in who draws the bye but not possible to have repeated tiebreak situations. You could even give the bye to the highest seeded of the three in the group anyway as another added advantage

GenoZStriker

United States2914 Posts

September 07 2010 01:23 GMT

#544

Problem with your 3wt is that player 3 could possibly not face one player at all which beats the point of the three way tie.

A bit of a mistake to not send teammates first in a three-way-tie. You probably know why.

FuriousJodo

United States212 Posts

September 07 2010 01:31 GMT

#545

Obviously they should do a 3-way FFA, whoever wins that gets Seeded according to Raelcun's system and then we continue on in that bracket.

Ackman

Sweden2 Posts

September 07 2010 01:56 GMT

#546

Did Idra just get pounded? Or is Bubba a replacement for him?

G2Wolf

United States261 Posts

September 07 2010 03:03 GMT

#547

On September 07 2010 10:56 Ackman wrote:
Did Idra just get pounded? Or is Bubba a replacement for him?

Bubba was a replacement since IdrA dropped out.

Gescom

Canada3484 Posts

September 07 2010 03:47 GMT

#548

IdrA was playing GSL.

dapierow

Serbia1316 Posts

September 07 2010 04:45 GMT

#549

So? who is advancing in group D? Didnt say on results page...

Telcontar

United Kingdom16710 Posts

September 07 2010 08:30 GMT

#550

On September 07 2010 13:45 dapierow wrote:
So? who is advancing in group D? Didnt say on results page...

yeah i left after cauthonluck beat drewbie. what happened afterwards?

AskJoshy

United States1625 Posts

September 07 2010 17:01 GMT

#551

They played the tiebreaker bo3's last night. I heard that drewbie and CauthonLuck are advancing, and I -think- these were the tiebreaker scores:
+ Show Spoiler +

drewbie 2-0 PainUser
PainUser 2-1 CauthonLuck
CauthonLuck 2-1 drewbie

Which would make the tiebreak standings look like this:
drewbie 3-2
CauthonLuck 3-3
PainUser 2-3

DamageInq

United States283 Posts

September 07 2010 17:29 GMT

#552

It crazy that the winner of each series was completely reversed when it was in OT.
+ Show Spoiler +

First playthrough:
drewbie 2-1 CauthonLuck
CauthonLuck 2-1 PainUser
PainUser 2-1 drewbie

Tiebreaker:
CauthonLuck 2-1 drewbie
PainUser 2-1 CauthonLuck
drewbie 2-0 PainUser

Boundless

Canada588 Posts

September 07 2010 22:46 GMT

#553

On September 07 2010 08:55 Bhaalgorn wrote:

Show nested quote +

They're obviously using black magic and voodoo to achieve this kind of stream quality.

It is stuttering a bit though

It's too bad that their commentary is garbage, because their stream quality is the best out there, bar none.

FrostNixon

Bulgaria215 Posts

September 07 2010 22:49 GMT

#554

In EU we saw 5 terran 3 zerg i believe and here we see 5 terran 3 protoss... kinda disappointed tbh.

Dionyseus

United States2068 Posts

September 07 2010 23:04 GMT

#555

On September 07 2010 10:31 FuriousJodo wrote:
Obviously they should do a 3-way FFA, whoever wins that gets Seeded according to Raelcun's system and then we continue on in that bracket.

That'd be so awesome. FIGHT

teko

Canada1197 Posts

September 07 2010 23:34 GMT

#556

I think round-robin will be easier (reduce the need of tie-breaks) if players are required to play all their games in the series. Example: in a best of 3, players will still need to play their 3rd game in case of 2:0. This way it's easier to tell the score difference (just like in football leagues).

fantomex

United States313 Posts

September 08 2010 01:01 GMT

#557

FFA tie break would be ridiculous, but also awesome.

Why isn't the ESL World site updated with the latest results? I want to watch the replays of the tie break games.