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Quint.april
Profile Joined April 2010
Greece26 Posts
September 06 2010 00:40 GMT
#501
On September 06 2010 08:25 dizzy101 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 08:13 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
We're streaming random replays from the Korean KOTH and than the ESL Divisional Cup starts at 8PM EST.


Is there a thread somewhere about this ESL divisional cup? With info about who's in it etc?


http://www.nationalesl.com/us/sc2/1on1/divisional_cup_1/rankings/
Voronoff
Profile Joined May 2010
United States302 Posts
September 06 2010 01:02 GMT
#502
People were accusing you of map hacking, MurDeR, in the stream. It was at several points during the first game, when you canceled to get Raven in 2nd game, and when you had the marine on the tower to spot the drop in the 3rd game. Game sense is underrated.
chobopeon
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States7342 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-06 01:17:23
September 06 2010 01:16 GMT
#503
i'm probably missing this but what's going on with group d? a delay for personal reasons?
:O
G2Wolf
Profile Joined July 2010
United States261 Posts
September 06 2010 01:17 GMT
#504
On September 06 2010 10:16 choboPEon wrote:
i'm probably missing this but what's going on with group d?

Artosis noshow'd so it's a defwin for Cauthon.

The Painuser/drewbie game will be played tomorrow due to a family emergency for Pain.
www.twitter.com/g2wolf
chobopeon
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States7342 Posts
September 06 2010 01:17 GMT
#505
thank you!
:O
AskJoshy
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1625 Posts
September 06 2010 02:41 GMT
#506
Edited the results spoiler to reflect today's happenings. =P

Stay tuned for PainUser vs. drewbie at 18:30 EST on Monday, September 6th.
Heroes, Hearthstone, and SC2 videos: http://www.youtube.com/AskJoshy
dras
Profile Joined August 2010
Kazakhstan376 Posts
September 06 2010 03:58 GMT
#507
so who's going thru?
Alou
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States3748 Posts
September 06 2010 07:37 GMT
#508
Is there any information on Artosis' no show? Was it just a no show or did something come up? Has anyone gotten word from him?
Life is Good.
Mithos09
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany4 Posts
September 06 2010 09:58 GMT
#509
On September 06 2010 10:02 Voronoff wrote:
People were accusing you of map hacking, MurDeR, in the stream. It was at several points during the first game, when you canceled to get Raven in 2nd game, and when you had the marine on the tower to spot the drop in the 3rd game. Game sense is underrated.


I just watched the replays of g1 & g2. In g1 MurDeR cancelled the Banshee for a Raven some Seconds after he saw a Scan from qxc above the starport with tech. We all know that starport with tech in early game can be two things, Banshee or Raven. A cloaked Banshee can only be successful if it is not expected, so I guess MurDeR decided against Banshee since qxc saw his tech. MurDeR was not getting Cloak at that moment, so the decision was not that big.He decided to skip the harass plans and get the Raven, which is more defensive.
In g2 he went directly for a Raven. Since g2 was on Scrap (short air distance), this makes sense to me.

Nothing suspicious to see. Just good game sense.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
September 06 2010 10:03 GMT
#510
On September 06 2010 18:58 Mithos09 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 10:02 Voronoff wrote:
People were accusing you of map hacking, MurDeR, in the stream. It was at several points during the first game, when you canceled to get Raven in 2nd game, and when you had the marine on the tower to spot the drop in the 3rd game. Game sense is underrated.


I just watched the replays of g1 & g2. In g1 MurDeR cancelled the Banshee for a Raven some Seconds after he saw a Scan from qxc above the starport with tech. We all know that starport with tech in early game can be two things, Banshee or Raven. A cloaked Banshee can only be successful if it is not expected, so I guess MurDeR decided against Banshee since qxc saw his tech. MurDeR was not getting Cloak at that moment, so the decision was not that big.He decided to skip the harass plans and get the Raven, which is more defensive.
In g2 he went directly for a Raven. Since g2 was on Scrap (short air distance), this makes sense to me.

Nothing suspicious to see. Just good game sense.


It sounds like it was just noobs on the stream automatically thinking of map hacking or cheating of some sort. If they knew murder at all they would know he would never even think about doing that. But whatever was very fun to watch and Murder made me oh so proud
When I think of something else, something will go here
Hynda
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden2226 Posts
September 06 2010 10:37 GMT
#511
On September 06 2010 09:28 MurDeRsc2 wrote:
What maphack accusation? Who accused who of maphacking? I am unaware of this.

The idiots on the stream, they love to accuse people.
Hynda
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden2226 Posts
September 06 2010 10:39 GMT
#512
On September 06 2010 10:02 Voronoff wrote:
People were accusing you of map hacking, MurDeR, in the stream. It was at several points during the first game, when you canceled to get Raven in 2nd game, and when you had the marine on the tower to spot the drop in the 3rd game. Game sense is underrated.
Mostly it was when he went and killed the banshee with no vision of it in the third game.
moxley
Profile Joined May 2010
United States65 Posts
September 06 2010 11:55 GMT
#513
very disappointed in Artosis.. I know it's probably hard to work on NA schedules from Korea but being a, for better or worse, prominent member of the foreigner SC2 scene, he should know how important it is to honor the integrity of a tournament and not give people free wins
Mithos09
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany4 Posts
September 06 2010 12:10 GMT
#514
On September 06 2010 19:39 Hynda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 10:02 Voronoff wrote:
People were accusing you of map hacking, MurDeR, in the stream. It was at several points during the first game, when you canceled to get Raven in 2nd game, and when you had the marine on the tower to spot the drop in the 3rd game. Game sense is underrated.
Mostly it was when he went and killed the banshee with no vision of it in the third game.

Ok, I watched the replay of g3. MurDeR saw the Starport with tech while it was producing. You can see him watching the starport while he was harassing with his banshee. He even made some mouse clicks right next to it. That was 30 game-seconds before the Banshee of QXC tried to sneak in. I guess MurDeR expected this banshee and made a guess that it would fly on this typical path to attack the mineral line from behind.

Later in the game he managed to scout a medivac with one marine standing at the watch tower. He concluded that this could only be a drop attempt and predicted it would happen at the ridge next to his natural. So he ordered some forces to defend.

Nothing suspicious here, just great game sense and especially a great evaluation of scouting information.
AskJoshy
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1625 Posts
September 06 2010 14:30 GMT
#515
I had the results tab slightly messed up, and I apologize. CauthonLuck went 2-1 against PainUser, not 2-0. As a result, PainUser controls his own destiny against drewbie tonight.

Here are the possible results and advancements to New York:
+ Show Spoiler +
PainUser 2-0 drewbie, PainUser and CauthonLuck advance.
PainUser 2-1 drewbie, creating a three-way tie between all three Terran players, I believe forcing a playoff game.
drewbie 2-1 PainUser, drewbie and CauthonLuck advance.
drewbie 2-0 PainUser, drewbie and CauthonLuck advance.
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Hynda
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden2226 Posts
September 06 2010 15:14 GMT
#516
On September 06 2010 21:10 Mithos09 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 19:39 Hynda wrote:
On September 06 2010 10:02 Voronoff wrote:
People were accusing you of map hacking, MurDeR, in the stream. It was at several points during the first game, when you canceled to get Raven in 2nd game, and when you had the marine on the tower to spot the drop in the 3rd game. Game sense is underrated.
Mostly it was when he went and killed the banshee with no vision of it in the third game.

Ok, I watched the replay of g3. MurDeR saw the Starport with tech while it was producing. You can see him watching the starport while he was harassing with his banshee. He even made some mouse clicks right next to it. That was 30 game-seconds before the Banshee of QXC tried to sneak in. I guess MurDeR expected this banshee and made a guess that it would fly on this typical path to attack the mineral line from behind.

Later in the game he managed to scout a medivac with one marine standing at the watch tower. He concluded that this could only be a drop attempt and predicted it would happen at the ridge next to his natural. So he ordered some forces to defend.

Nothing suspicious here, just great game sense and especially a great evaluation of scouting information.

You think people that hang in the GSL chat think that far ahead?
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
September 06 2010 21:00 GMT
#517
huk vs machine reps por favor yo
twitter.com/therealdhalism | "Trying out Z = lots of losses vs inferior players until you figure out how to do it well (if it even works)."- Liquid'Tyler
Darksoldierr
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary2013 Posts
September 06 2010 21:08 GMT
#518
Who will stream the match today, which stream?
What do humans know of our pain? We have sung songs of lament since before your ancestors crawled on their bellies from the sea.
TeMiL
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Peru545 Posts
September 06 2010 21:28 GMT
#519
On September 07 2010 06:08 Darksoldierr wrote:
Who will stream the match today, which stream?


this game ended
Enox
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany1667 Posts
September 06 2010 21:41 GMT
#520
On September 07 2010 06:08 Darksoldierr wrote:
Who will stream the match today, which stream?


glhf.tv will stream drewbie vs painuser in 50min.. it was supposed to be on their stream yesterday
If you think it's too hard there are solutions other than asking for a nerf, getting better is the first that comes to mind.
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