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Buttafly
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands7 Posts
August 22 2010 13:48 GMT
#2441
is this morrow's first LAN event?
Karalius
Profile Joined January 2008
Lithuania271 Posts
August 22 2010 13:48 GMT
#2442
i have to say, i have mixed emotions about that early 5rax reaper harras, im not a starcraft player i just enjoy watching it a lot.

game 1 was not even fun to watch, those reapers just killed idra, in second game idra held it off and won, pretty much like i remember previous games in this tournament - hold on first few minutes of reaper harras - and win, suffer too many losses - lose.

my question is, is there any "good" or safe defense against the early reaper harras? cause right now it seems kinda random, some games idra defends, some games he doesnt (like he defended this game even tho the distance was very very short and he even lost the overlord, but last game he failed to defend)
PanzerKing
Profile Joined May 2010
United States483 Posts
August 22 2010 13:48 GMT
#2443
On August 22 2010 22:46 aznhockeyboy16 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2010 22:44 PanzerKing wrote:
Maybe it's because I come from WoW, but I really don't understand this "using the same strategy over and over is bad!" mentality. If it's working, why would you change it? If it's not, then you can legitimately blame someone for not changing their plan.

Really, it baffles me. Do people not believe in playing to win? Use what works, and when it stops working, get something else that works. That's the essence of competitive gaming, or any other kind of competition.


if you know something is coming you can stop it from coming. WoW doesn't really have the same variety of strategies that starcraft has, and Morrow knows that he can't win if Idra knows what's going on.


Maybe you can, and maybe you can't. Idra scouted it in the first game, and he pumped drones instead of getting his roaches+speed out first. I think it's perfectly reasonable for Morrow to use his one-game advantage to press Idra again and see if he can handle the 5-rax. Now that Idra's shown his ability to counter it, it's more reasonable to expect Morrow to switch it up.
http://tkrmx.blogspot.com/
Jiiks
Profile Joined January 2009
Finland487 Posts
August 22 2010 13:48 GMT
#2444
On August 22 2010 22:46 feer wrote:
Any restream on?


ScienceRob is streaming.
Brad
Profile Joined April 2010
2754 Posts
August 22 2010 13:48 GMT
#2445
On August 22 2010 22:48 Buttafly wrote:
is this morrow's first LAN event?


Nope.
Lee Jae Dong proved that a focus on mechanics and execution could solve problems in the StarCraft game strategy.
toemn
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany915 Posts
August 22 2010 13:48 GMT
#2446
On August 22 2010 22:47 Malgrif wrote:
oh my god whats up with these extreme close ups lol, i admit they're good players but getting so close that i can see their pores >_< yuck


i agree.. they should show the crowd
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
theqat
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States2856 Posts
August 22 2010 13:48 GMT
#2447
On August 22 2010 22:48 mikado wrote:
LOL i lost power right when morrow was about to push with scvs! What happened?


lost all his SCVs in that push and did no econ damage, so idra jumped way ahead in production and won
Deathfate
Profile Joined November 2008
Spain555 Posts
August 22 2010 13:49 GMT
#2448
IdrA is super good, i think he will win this 3-1, morrow reaper control is impecable also...
Feel the power of the zerg swarm.
WeSt
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Portugal918 Posts
August 22 2010 13:49 GMT
#2449
On August 22 2010 22:48 Buttafly wrote:
is this morrow's first LAN event?


He has attended dreamhack at least.
zvz is imba
boesthius
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States11637 Posts
August 22 2010 13:49 GMT
#2450
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Raevin
Profile Joined July 2010
246 Posts
August 22 2010 13:49 GMT
#2451
come from WoW, but I really don't understand this "using the same strategy over and over is bad!" mentality. If it's working, why would you change it? If it's not, then you can legitimately blame someone for not changing their plan.


And where is the pro scene in WoW now? Nowhere, and it never will be.

Depth is when a game has alot of viable ways to defeat your opponent, not a ultimate way to win.

Mages go a specific Frost build in WoW, usually team up with RMP or a castercleave and do very specific things, get haste up and every game looks the same.

The last thing in the world SC2 should copy is ********* World of Warcraft!

Lumb
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom78 Posts
August 22 2010 13:49 GMT
#2452
On August 22 2010 22:46 Immersion_ wrote:
What's with all the reaper opening hate, it's aggressive, it forces the opponent to play on your terms, the player with the better control will generally come out ahead. I can't comment on whether it's "op" but it certainly isn't a free win, seems like a good aggro opening to me :>.


Especially against Idra who will inevitably destroy Morrow the further along the game gets. The only way Morrow can win this tournament is by ending games early and showing constant aggression.
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-22 13:49:49
August 22 2010 13:49 GMT
#2453
On August 22 2010 22:47 snowdrift wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2010 22:45 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
I really don't know why Morrow pulled those scv's on the big push. If he had not attacked or just not pulled the scv's he would have been in the game. Such a strange play.


5 rax reapers fails, his only fallback is pulling SCVs

great gameplan


He expanded so his follow through started fine. I honestly think Morrow actually choked. His nerves got the better of him I think and he did the common mistake of trying to end it instead of just play it out. We've all done it before at one time or another in one form or another.
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trullis
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden23 Posts
August 22 2010 13:49 GMT
#2454
On August 22 2010 22:48 Buttafly wrote:
is this morrow's first LAN event?


hell no
lightrise
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1355 Posts
August 22 2010 13:49 GMT
#2455
On August 22 2010 22:48 Buttafly wrote:
is this morrow's first LAN event?


No he was a really good terran player in BW
Awesome german interviewer: "What was your idea going into games against Idra" "I WANTED TO USE A CHEESE STRATEGY BECAUSE IDRA IS KNOWN TO TILT AFTER LOSING TO SOMETHING GAY" Demuslim
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
August 22 2010 13:49 GMT
#2456
On August 22 2010 22:47 snowdrift wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2010 22:45 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
I really don't know why Morrow pulled those scv's on the big push. If he had not attacked or just not pulled the scv's he would have been in the game. Such a strange play.


5 rax reapers fails, his only fallback is pulling SCVs

great gameplan


Well mass reaper/mara against mutas is not too good. He needed to go all-in to stand a chance.
Revolutionist fan
Teton
Profile Joined May 2010
France1656 Posts
August 22 2010 13:49 GMT
#2457
IDRA FIGHTING !
Jameser
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden951 Posts
August 22 2010 13:49 GMT
#2458
notice in that previous game how even though he probably guessed morrow was doing 3rax reaper he still sent another overlord to scout; very good play!
Jizzlegasm
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada25 Posts
August 22 2010 13:49 GMT
#2459
On August 22 2010 22:48 mikado wrote:
LOL i lost power right when morrow was about to push with scvs! What happened?


IdrA held it off with Banelings because the all-in Terran just 1a'd.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
August 22 2010 13:49 GMT
#2460
On August 22 2010 22:48 PanzerKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2010 22:46 aznhockeyboy16 wrote:
On August 22 2010 22:44 PanzerKing wrote:
Maybe it's because I come from WoW, but I really don't understand this "using the same strategy over and over is bad!" mentality. If it's working, why would you change it? If it's not, then you can legitimately blame someone for not changing their plan.

Really, it baffles me. Do people not believe in playing to win? Use what works, and when it stops working, get something else that works. That's the essence of competitive gaming, or any other kind of competition.


if you know something is coming you can stop it from coming. WoW doesn't really have the same variety of strategies that starcraft has, and Morrow knows that he can't win if Idra knows what's going on.


Maybe you can, and maybe you can't. Idra scouted it in the first game, and he pumped drones instead of getting his roaches+speed out first. I think it's perfectly reasonable for Morrow to use his one-game advantage to press Idra again and see if he can handle the 5-rax. Now that Idra's shown his ability to counter it, it's more reasonable to expect Morrow to switch it up.


5-rax reaper is very punishing for the Zerg. If you make one little mistake and lose a queen, they will overwhelm you.

But if you manage to survive until Mutas, the Terran is in trouble.
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