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Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
August 21 2010 15:00 GMT
#3001
The last game between Morrow and Dimaga can be illustrated like this:
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"Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014
Shika
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden1711 Posts
August 21 2010 15:00 GMT
#3002
What the hell is up with some people here? Crying about MorroW going mass reapers, saying it's not a respectable move.. First prize money is $5000 for crying out loud. Second of all it's not even an all in strat (game 4 he did the same and got completely shut down but still won the macro game).

Get real, it's a tournament. Not using the strat that gives you the highest chance of winning would be completely retarded.
Cade
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1420 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-21 15:02:56
August 21 2010 15:00 GMT
#3003
I think people should be giving MorroW respect for at least admitting that it is imbalanced. Too many Terrans like to claim otherwise or avoid the question, so I give MorroW respect for admitting straight up that he used imbalanced strategies.

And I agree that even if it is imbalanced, there is no reason any T should NOT use the strategy just because it is imbalanced. The game is about gaining any advantage you can, and intentionally avoiding imbalanced strategies is not only denying yourself an advantage, but it also puts you at a disadvantage because you are unnecessarily restricting yourself.

Let blizzard balance the game eventually, and let it be shown on these large scale tournaments why they SHOULD balance the game.
mikado
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia407 Posts
August 21 2010 15:00 GMT
#3004
On August 21 2010 23:58 Teton wrote:
TvZ begin to be BORING.


True, Muta/ling/bling vs whatever terran fancies
perditissimus
Brad
Profile Joined April 2010
2754 Posts
August 21 2010 15:00 GMT
#3005
Bring back Academy! xD
Lee Jae Dong proved that a focus on mechanics and execution could solve problems in the StarCraft game strategy.
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
August 21 2010 15:00 GMT
#3006
On August 21 2010 23:57 Kexx wrote:
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On August 21 2010 23:56 diehilde wrote:
everybody disrespecting morrow should stfu. I much rather want to hear the honest opinions of ppl instead of the same old "safe" answers.

apparently he's not respecting him himself, so why should we?


quit being an overreacting drama queen
Terran & Potato Salad.
backtoback
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada1276 Posts
August 21 2010 15:00 GMT
#3007
On August 21 2010 23:58 -Desu- wrote:
my respect to morrow is 0 now.
he just exploited terran to win a tournament.
I wish idra slap the win out of this guy.


didn't know playing terran means exploiting.. please stfu and gtfo
pilsken
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany441 Posts
August 21 2010 15:00 GMT
#3008
Great play by Morrow. Stop the hating. As much as i dislike Reapers myself, Morrow did a great job of controling this "imbaness" and a lesser player would just have lost their reapers. He played a great series, but now blaming imbalance isn't really what you should do. You play the game thats in fron of you and you're playing to win. Has nothing to do with manner or selfrespect.
QueueQueue
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada1000 Posts
August 21 2010 15:01 GMT
#3009
On August 21 2010 23:58 -Desu- wrote:
my respect to morrow is 0 now.
he just exploited terran to win a tournament.
I wish idra slap the win out of this guy.



Everyone utilizes the strengths of their race to win. If one of those strengths happen to be "imbalanced" you really can't blame the player.
Santiago4ever
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden299 Posts
August 21 2010 15:01 GMT
#3010
On August 21 2010 23:59 tangwhat wrote:
TBH I'm more mad that dimaga didn't build some roaches to beat the reapers.


Because no terran would switch to marauders from his 5 techlabs when he saw roaches pop out, amirite?
Ernest Hemingway once wrote: The world is a fine place and worth fighting for. I agree with the second part.
Rabiator
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany3948 Posts
August 21 2010 15:01 GMT
#3011
On August 21 2010 23:55 floor exercise wrote:
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On August 21 2010 23:53 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On August 21 2010 23:52 SteeJanS wrote:
Uh, guys, reapers are not all-in, it's a harass play while Morrow expands. HOW IS A BUILD WHERE A PLAYER EXPANDS AND MACROS ALL-IN, jesus.

To be honest, it seems a bit stupid if you can go 5 rax reaper before CC and not be impossibly behind when you fail to do damage (i.e game 4).

It's a problem with zerg, both races can do high pressure builds and maintain probe/scv production, but zerg can't even maintain drone production while defending, let alone trying to do a similar high pressure build themselves, even if they had a build like that

I think Zerg players need to fiddle around with the idea of placing a second hatchery in their main to have sufficient larvae for mass Zerglings ... expo hatcheries are hard to defend against Reapers and you NEED the larvae, so that is the one option open. Zerglings arent too expensive either, so you dont need to expo fast and gas isnt a high priority either, so few Drones should be enough. If the Terran builds 5 Barracks plus tech labs the Zerg should be able to build one additional hatchery too.

Dont blame Terrans to be IMBA if you dont try everything (thats more than IdrA can come up with).
If you cant say what you're meaning, you can never mean what you're saying.
Pyrthas
Profile Joined March 2007
United States3196 Posts
August 21 2010 15:01 GMT
#3012
On August 21 2010 23:58 -Desu- wrote:
my respect to morrow is 0 now.
he just exploited terran to win a tournament.
I wish idra slap the win out of this guy.

When you are playing a game like this to win, you find every little thing that you can abuse, and abuse it as much as you possibly can. That's what makes competition great, and what makes it hard to create a really good competitive game. If a game can be abused too easily, or too effectively, it's the games fault, not the players'.
Kibibit
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1551 Posts
August 21 2010 15:01 GMT
#3013
On August 21 2010 23:56 Pebble wrote:
Wow I think MorroW regrets his win a little bit because he admitted that dimaga is the better player. Hopefully he is not going to capitalize on reapers so much in the finals against idra (obviously ).

And I don't like the feeling I get when MorroW admitted that reapers are a little imba TvZ. Now those terrankids on the ladder open mass reaper against the Zs... :<

I'm mostly okay with this. Mass reaper isn't exactly a massive problem until you get up in the higher reaches. The less skilled terran players (and there's a significant gap between good and bad terran players) will be crushed mercilessly trying this build. I'm more worried about tournament situations, where there's money on the line. And if I had money on the line, I'd sadly say I would be wholly willing to abuse mass reapers to get it.
R.I.P. 우정호 || Do probes dream of psionic sheep?
LittlefOOt
Profile Joined July 2010
England29 Posts
August 21 2010 15:01 GMT
#3014
Tarson predicting himself 3-1 win over IdrA :o
arctics86
Profile Joined December 2008
Germany797 Posts
August 21 2010 15:01 GMT
#3015
Tarson has this! (I hope)
0cz3c
Profile Joined February 2008
United States564 Posts
August 21 2010 15:01 GMT
#3016
On August 21 2010 23:58 -Desu- wrote:
my respect to morrow is 0 now.
he just exploited terran to win a tournament.
I wish idra slap the win out of this guy.



That's what you do in a tournament. He played to win, wouldn't you? Especially since Dimaga was the better player, he implied. No way was he at fault, lol. Huge respect for Morrow, however, for voicing his opinion that it is imbalanced to his mind!
DwmC_Foefen
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Belgium2186 Posts
August 21 2010 15:01 GMT
#3017
Don't worry guys, Idra will take this tournament home
onmach
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1241 Posts
August 21 2010 15:01 GMT
#3018
I don't understand why everyone has their panties in a bunch about reapers. What's the difference between 5 barracks reapers and 5 barracks worth of marine marauder? I've seen a ton of games where the first push fails and yet the terran wins anyways. This is no different. No one would be complaining if he'd somehow won on the first push with m&m.
CuttyFlam
Profile Joined April 2010
Belgium523 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-21 15:03:44
August 21 2010 15:01 GMT
#3019
On August 21 2010 23:58 BlindDruid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 23:54 PuZzLE.LoKo wrote:
Morrow admits he used an imbalanced strat to win, how sad.

No respect for you Morrow.


No, a really great respect for him, for saying that it IS imba.

Pure WIN for both players on the sympathetic part.


Indeed, do you think its Morrows fault that particular strat on this matchup is imbalanced? NO, its blizzs fault, and i would love to see you participate in a 15k tournament and refrain from using it to win that amount of money, so plz stop it

Edit: and its partly Dimagas loss too , he should have build roaches
Leave it to ................... Luck!!
Pebble
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany326 Posts
August 21 2010 15:01 GMT
#3020
I feel bad for MorroW since he hasn't enjoyed his win seemingly. I think he really regrets playing that way against dimaga who seems a humble and cool person with alot of skill when it comes to TvZ.
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