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On May 24 2010 01:21 ZlaSHeR wrote:
Ionno I think its pretty lame that asians, who mostly play zerg, do these sort of styles that never enter the macro game. If korea is supposed to still be so far ahead of US and EU, then why do they resort to cheesy styles? Why not show that you can be the better players straight up
That's like calling muta/ling in BW cheesy. It's not cheesy, just a strong play. It's not like Haypro didn't know what was coming. He just couldn't defend it.
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Not to mention Haypro went FE every single game...
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On May 24 2010 01:19 G.s)NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2010 01:16 PokePill wrote:On May 24 2010 01:09 Count9 wrote:
I hope no one's watching professional SC2 for the first time right now. Can we consider Haypro's level of play "professional?" You are being an idiot. HayprO is insanely good ZvP and ZvT, besides I think he's also good in ZvZ, but thats just so retarded, since you can only counter ling/baneling with having the same shit..
He's actually right ... don't flame him like this. Haypro is doing very bad lately in all tournaments he plays. After he won 3-2 vs Luci in the gg.net final, his shape decreased alot. Usually he gets eliminated in the early stages of tournaments but if he goes to a bo5/bo3, these are his latest results: vs Strelok 1-3, vs Naniwa 0-2, vs Kenzy 2-1, vs Lester 1-2, vs Devil 1-2, vs Morrow 0-2 and alot of 0-1 losses vs all kind of players in esl/craft cups.
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On May 24 2010 01:22 Alegzandur wrote:
I know I'm nowhere near as pro as these guys but if you scout banelings then really the counter is going 1 hatch roach into mutas ><
Wreck his expansion or rape his economy and block your ramp with roaches, it's much easier than trying to play off 2 bases when there's such a huge risk...
The problem is speedling/baneling > roach until you hit a critical mass, and it's hard to reach that point now.
Anyone have a link to the Dimaga vs. Freedom game?
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On May 24 2010 01:25 cyclone25 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2010 01:19 G.s)NarutO wrote:On May 24 2010 01:16 PokePill wrote:On May 24 2010 01:09 Count9 wrote:
I hope no one's watching professional SC2 for the first time right now. Can we consider Haypro's level of play "professional?" You are being an idiot. HayprO is insanely good ZvP and ZvT, besides I think he's also good in ZvZ, but thats just so retarded, since you can only counter ling/baneling with having the same shit.. He's actually right ... don't flame him like this. Haypro is doing very bad lately in all tournaments he plays. After he won 3-2 vs Luci in the gg.net final, his shape decreased alot. Usually he gets eliminated in the early stages of tournaments but if he goes to a bo5/bo3, these are his latest results: vs Strelok 1-3, vs Naniwa 0-2, vs Kenzy 2-1, vs Lester 1-2, vs Devil 1-2, vs Morrow 0-2 and alot of 0-1 losses vs all kind of players in esl/craft cups.
He's still one of the most payed players and yeah, losing to Strelok and Naniwa is terrible.. also losing to MorroW, right. All those players amazingly good. Losing ZvZ against Devil (see a pattern here?) ...
There are lots of players losing a lot , just because they are figuring out stuff. But really I'm not going to argue.
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You can get enough early roaches to block off your ramp, but the problem is the transition to mutas - if a baneling + speedling player sees that you're walling off your ramp he'll probably just tech straight to mutas as well, and two bases > one.
Not to mention, you can't just make 4 roaches and be safe. You need like 8 or so in order to prevent a straight baneling bust ON YOUR ROACHES.
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On May 24 2010 01:21 ZlaSHeR wrote:
Ionno I think its pretty lame that asians, who mostly play zerg, do these sort of styles that never enter the macro game. If korea is supposed to still be so far ahead of US and EU, then why do they resort to cheesy styles? Why not show that you can be the better players straight up
I'm not sure these Koreans would win in a macro game. If you catch my drift.
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On May 24 2010 01:19 G.s)NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2010 01:16 PokePill wrote:On May 24 2010 01:09 Count9 wrote:
I hope no one's watching professional SC2 for the first time right now. Can we consider Haypro's level of play "professional?" You are being an idiot. HayprO is insanely good ZvP and ZvT, besides I think he's also good in ZvZ, but thats just so retarded, since you can only counter ling/baneling with having the same shit..
I was referring to his below mediocre unit control, not his choice of unit composition.
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On May 24 2010 01:28 Squeegy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2010 01:21 ZlaSHeR wrote:
Ionno I think its pretty lame that asians, who mostly play zerg, do these sort of styles that never enter the macro game. If korea is supposed to still be so far ahead of US and EU, then why do they resort to cheesy styles? Why not show that you can be the better players straight up I'm not sure these Koreans would win in a macro game. If you catch my drift.
I'm pretty sure they can. But if they figure that Haypro can't deal with a zerg/baneling after two games in a row, why not do it again?
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On May 24 2010 01:21 ZlaSHeR wrote:
Ionno I think its pretty lame that asians, who mostly play zerg, do these sort of styles that never enter the macro game. If korea is supposed to still be so far ahead of US and EU, then why do they resort to cheesy styles? Why not show that you can be the better players straight up
because its by far the best opening. Not even close. and if you watched World Cup you can see how smoothly koreans are capable of transitioning from it into expo or muta or wahtever else they want.
Haypro just didnt offer Gerrard anything that would make him explore other possiblities.
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On May 24 2010 01:27 G.s)NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2010 01:25 cyclone25 wrote:On May 24 2010 01:19 G.s)NarutO wrote:On May 24 2010 01:16 PokePill wrote:On May 24 2010 01:09 Count9 wrote:
I hope no one's watching professional SC2 for the first time right now. Can we consider Haypro's level of play "professional?" You are being an idiot. HayprO is insanely good ZvP and ZvT, besides I think he's also good in ZvZ, but thats just so retarded, since you can only counter ling/baneling with having the same shit.. He's actually right ... don't flame him like this. Haypro is doing very bad lately in all tournaments he plays. After he won 3-2 vs Luci in the gg.net final, his shape decreased alot. Usually he gets eliminated in the early stages of tournaments but if he goes to a bo5/bo3, these are his latest results: vs Strelok 1-3, vs Naniwa 0-2, vs Kenzy 2-1, vs Lester 1-2, vs Devil 1-2, vs Morrow 0-2 and alot of 0-1 losses vs all kind of players in esl/craft cups. He's still one of the most payed players and yeah, losing to Strelok and Naniwa is terrible.. also losing to MorroW, right. All those players amazingly good. Losing ZvZ against Devil (see a pattern here?) ... There are lots of players losing a lot , just because they are figuring out stuff. But really I'm not going to argue.
+ Show Spoiler +Agreed. Even if you look at Idra's play, who most would consider a pro, he would be favored in most ZvT/ZvP matchups but he had to go through ZvZ yesterday and didn't make it out.
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where are the results? i want to know please write here
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On May 24 2010 01:14 CruelZeratul wrote:
Those 3 games just sucked to watch. How about a few roaches against Banelings?
Haypro did try roaches in the third game, but because of the roach supply nerf Gerrard was just able to overwhelm the roaches with speedlings.
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7-1 for Asia. TLO took the only match for EU against Loner 3-0. Haypro lost 0-3 to Gerrard and Zpux lost 1-3 to Dayfly. Yesterday, Naniwa lost 1-3 to Eric. TLO vs. Sen was not finished. Maka vs. Haypro was not played.
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On May 24 2010 01:31 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2010 01:21 ZlaSHeR wrote:
Ionno I think its pretty lame that asians, who mostly play zerg, do these sort of styles that never enter the macro game. If korea is supposed to still be so far ahead of US and EU, then why do they resort to cheesy styles? Why not show that you can be the better players straight up because its by far the best opening. Not even close. and if you watched World Cup you can see how smoothly koreans are capable of transitioning from it into expo or muta or wahtever else they want. Haypro just didnt offer Gerrard anything that would make him explore other possiblities.
I agree with this, Haypro just didn't play good enough here to get into any macro game.
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On May 24 2010 01:29 GenoZStriker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2010 01:28 Squeegy wrote:On May 24 2010 01:21 ZlaSHeR wrote:
Ionno I think its pretty lame that asians, who mostly play zerg, do these sort of styles that never enter the macro game. If korea is supposed to still be so far ahead of US and EU, then why do they resort to cheesy styles? Why not show that you can be the better players straight up I'm not sure these Koreans would win in a macro game. If you catch my drift. I'm pretty sure they can. But if they figure that Haypro can't deal with a zerg/baneling after two games in a row, why not do it again?
I didn't say they can't. I said they wouldn't have the advantage.
Anyway, can't wait for TLO vs Sen again.
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TLO will play 2 games :D like Sen
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On May 24 2010 01:44 TeMiL wrote:
TLO will play 2 games :D like Sen
Yea his other match was vs. Sen. He was down 0-2 but he could reverse all-kill if he tightens up his strategy. We know TLO is capable of great feats, despite everything.
Not sure how many games will be played, totally. I'm guessing it'll be 12, though, because the Beta is ending. If so, the EU has already lost 7/12 games so there's no hope for victory, just some face-saving 
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On May 24 2010 01:34 Azarkon wrote:
7-1 for Asia. TLO took the only match for EU against Loner 3-0. Haypro lost 0-3 to Gerrard and Zpux lost 1-3 to Dayfly. Yesterday, Naniwa lost 1-3 to Eric. TLO vs. Sen was not finished. Maka vs. Haypro was not played.
I thought TLo played against Sen? Where can i find the VoD`s of him against Loner?
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On May 24 2010 01:16 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2010 01:12 Jibba wrote:On May 24 2010 01:10 Garnet wrote:
I would just build a spine crawler. 150 mineral and not that effective vs banelings didnt u see how many banelings the queens have stopped from reaching the drones? Sunkens are very effective if u target fire banelings.
and it's 100 mineral, not 150!
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