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rOMi
Korea (South)120 Posts
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cyclone25
Romania3344 Posts
On May 21 2010 22:06 lolreaper wrote: seems like every terrans "weakness" is tvp nowadays is there any terran who is strong vs protoss and can say he wins most of the tvp games? because except tester statement (who ironically is toss player himself) i cant find terran player who is happy with that MU I wanna see some comments from you on Maka's last TvP matches xD | ||
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Bane_
United Kingdom494 Posts
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antihope
United States42 Posts
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Bane_
United Kingdom494 Posts
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antihope
United States42 Posts
On May 21 2010 23:52 Bane_ wrote: I've been so busy trying to put an explanation in the first post that I missed the 2nd game. ^^ Did Maka win? Yes ^^ | ||
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Shizuru~
Malaysia1676 Posts
On May 21 2010 23:52 Bane_ wrote: I've been so busy trying to put an explanation in the first post that I missed the 2nd game. ^^ Did Maka win? Oh and could people read it for me and say if it just doesn't make sense at all? Maka won with marine/tank/banshee timing push. | ||
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frumplejoon
United States129 Posts
On May 21 2010 23:52 Bane_ wrote: I've been so busy trying to put an explanation in the first post that I missed the 2nd game. ^^ Did Maka win? Oh and could people read it for me and say if it just doesn't make sense at all? good explanation, tnx! | ||
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kheldorin
Singapore539 Posts
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Tanatos
United States381 Posts
I think it will be ok to have him in round of 16 | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On May 21 2010 23:51 Bane_ wrote: You can't really say that though because xiaOt beat him... Yes he did, but he was beaten by Maka, whereas Anypro won against Maka. This is before any tiebreakers. Imagine that Nazgul wasn't part of the tournament. Then we can see that it's basically a three-way 1-1. Maka beat Xiaot but lost to Anypro. Anypro beat Maka but lost to Xiaot. Xiaot beat Anypro but lost to Maka. In a contest of pure skill, there's no reason why Anypro should be out simply because he lost to Maka in the tiebreakers, unless Xiaot either beat him again or beat Maka. As it is, Anypro got eliminated by a random number generator. Skill-wise, his TvP was clearly better than Xiaot's, though his PvP appears weaker since he lost to Xiaot and cheesed Nazgul for the win. Still, I don't think any pro-gamer would've been satisfied with an auto-lose due to rolling the lowest number. | ||
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Prodtoss
China849 Posts
On May 22 2010 00:00 Azarkon wrote: Yes he did, but he was beaten by Maka, whereas Anypro won against Maka. This is before any tiebreakers. Imagine that Nazgul wasn't part of the tournament. Then we can see that it's basically a three-way 1-1. Maka beat Xiaot but lost to Anypro. Anypro beat Maka but lost to Xiaot. Xiaot beat Anypro but lost to Maka. In a contest of pure skill, there's no reason why Anypro should be out simply because he lost to Maka in the tiebreakers, unless Xiaot either beat him again or beat Maka. As it is, Anypro got eliminated by a random number generator. Skill-wise, his TvP was clearly better than Xiaot's, though his PvP appears weaker since he lost to Xiaot and cheesed Nazgul for the win. Still, I don't think any pro-gamer would've been satisfied with an auto-lose due to rolling the lowest number. Yep,so the day before yesterday ACE is beaten by rolled the smallest number,where are you? | ||
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hydraden
United States719 Posts
On May 22 2010 00:00 Azarkon wrote: Yes he did, but he was beaten by Maka, whereas Anypro won against Maka. This is before any tiebreakers. Imagine that Nazgul wasn't part of the tournament. Then we can see that it's basically a three-way 1-1. Maka beat Xiaot but lost to Anypro. Anypro beat Maka but lost to Xiaot. Xiaot beat Anypro but lost to Maka. In a contest of pure skill, there's no reason why Anypro should be out simply because he lost to Maka in the tiebreakers, unless Xiaot either beat him again or beat Maka. As it is, Anypro got eliminated by a random number generator. Skill-wise, his TvP was clearly better than Xiaot's, though his PvP appears weaker since he lost to Xiaot and cheesed Nazgul for the win. Still, I don't think any pro-gamer would've been satisfied with an auto-lose due to rolling the lowest number. That's true, but they have no time for a potential dozen games tie-break. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
But if I were, I'd probably have complained then, too. | ||
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Bane_
United Kingdom494 Posts
On May 22 2010 00:00 Azarkon wrote: Yes he did, but he was beaten by Maka, whereas Anypro won against Maka. This is before any tiebreakers. Imagine that Nazgul wasn't part of the tournament. Then we can see that it's basically a three-way 1-1. Maka beat Xiaot but lost to Anypro. Anypro beat Maka but lost to Xiaot. Xiaot beat Anypro but lost to Maka. In a contest of pure skill, there's no reason why Anypro should be out simply because he lost to Maka in the tiebreakers, unless Xiaot either beat him again or beat Maka. As it is, Anypro got eliminated by a random number generator. Skill-wise, his TvP was clearly better than Xiaot's, though his PvP appears weaker since he lost to Xiaot and cheesed Nazgul for the win. Still, I don't think any pro-gamer would've been satisfied with an auto-lose due to rolling the lowest number. It wasn't an auto lose since if he had beaten Maka again in game 1 of the tie-break, he was guaranteed to progress to the round of 16. No doubt it's not an ideal system but I'm not entirely sure what would be. | ||
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Tanatos
United States381 Posts
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rOMi
Korea (South)120 Posts
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On May 22 2010 00:04 Bane_ wrote: It wasn't an auto lose since if he had beaten Maka again in game 1 of the tie-break, he was guaranteed to progress to the round of 16. No doubt it's not an ideal system but I'm not entirely sure what would be. Right, and this is where the system really breaks down because had Maka known about this - and I'm pretty sure he didn't if he said "fraud" - he would've had great incentive to drop the game to Anypro and then win against Xiaot - a feat he is easily capable of - to get his teammate into the Ro16. It's just very open to abuse, and I think they should've played another set of games and then did a dice roll if it still wasn't clear. Of course the dice roll would have to be verified somehow, but I think that's not too hard if you use a third-party website. | ||
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Prodtoss
China849 Posts
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Bane_
United Kingdom494 Posts
On May 22 2010 00:06 Azarkon wrote: Right, and this is where the system really breaks down because had Maka known about this - and I'm pretty sure he didn't if he said "fraud" - he would've had great incentive to drop the game to Anypro and then win against Xiaot - a feat he is easily capable of - to get his teammate into the Ro16. It's just very open to abuse, and I think they should've played another set of games and then did a dice roll if it still wasn't clear. Of course the dice roll would have to be verified somehow, but I think that's not too hard if you use a third-party website. In that situation it would have been Anypro vs xiaOt in game 2 instead with Anypro needing to win to let Maka advance also, and given how their first encounter went that was a far from guaranteed result. | ||
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