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knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
May 26 2010 19:21 GMT
#2341
Damn I wanted Maka vs Cool in the finals but still some clutch work for the koreans. I guess maka vs check would be ideal but if dimaga can pull through I won't be disappointed.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-26 19:45:59
May 26 2010 19:30 GMT
#2342
By LAN, do you really just mean playing on the Asia server in a room? Cause there is no real LAN in SC 2 AFAIK.
Bane_
Profile Joined October 2005
United Kingdom494 Posts
May 26 2010 19:38 GMT
#2343
On May 27 2010 04:14 cuppatea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2010 03:58 Sfydjklm wrote:
why cool? he hasnt looked as impressive so far as Dimaga or Check did. Given ofc he didnt really face as tough competition to show off his full potential.
in fact he looked outright mediocre vs PJ


He won the PlayXP Brainbox LAN which featured a lot of the top players in Korea (Tester, Check, TheWind etc). He was also ranked #1 on the Asian ladder for a while with a 73% win ratio. Also, his name always seems to come up whenever one of the top Koreans is asked "who are the best players right now?"

That's not a huge amount to go off but winning the biggest LAN to date and making the top 4 of the biggest online tournament has to put him up there.


Not just the Brain Box lan but also the PGR21 tournament which had the final 8 playing offline. I have to admit Cool's play has never struck me as particularly impressive either, yet those two big wins suggest that there has to be something a bit special about him.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
May 26 2010 19:45 GMT
#2344
How did they play offline?
koppik
Profile Joined April 2010
United States676 Posts
May 26 2010 20:00 GMT
#2345
Cool is probably the best zerg--or at least up there--but it has always seemed like ZvT was Cool's weakest match-up, and Maka's best match-up is obviously TvZ. And Maka is pretty definitely the best Terran overall right now.
Bane_
Profile Joined October 2005
United Kingdom494 Posts
May 26 2010 20:07 GMT
#2346
On May 27 2010 04:45 Azarkon wrote:
How did they play offline?


I suppose they didn't. :o But they all went to a venue, set up their keyboards+mice and so on on the provided machines and proceeded to play as if it really was a lan.
PROJECTILE
Profile Joined April 2010
United States226 Posts
May 26 2010 20:47 GMT
#2347
i'd give maka VERY good odds to take this all. Regardless of actual imbalance, he makes tvz look impossible for any zerg player.
PROJECTILE
Profile Joined April 2010
United States226 Posts
May 26 2010 20:49 GMT
#2348
On May 27 2010 00:16 Gescom wrote:
I definitely feel like DeMuslim (on a good day) and TLOs terran are comparable to maka or dayfly. Just look at TLO 4-0 freedom and 2-0 Loner recently. I also dont feel like Check is even close to no2 zerg in the world.

Doesnt TLO play Sen in plu.cn in a day or two? That will reveal a lot.

Definitely not. I've been following all the replays of these guys, and maka (as well as the other good korean terrans) i think are significantly better than any of the NA or euro terrans, especially in tvp, where I feel NA and euro terrans were (and still are to a large degree) clueless as to how to approach it.
TBO
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1350 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-26 21:17:33
May 26 2010 21:16 GMT
#2349
dayfly lost in the groupstage vs TLO in TvT and he didn't look good that game, sure it was just a single game but in TvT you usually win if you are the better player. You are right about TvP being the weak point of european Terrans but in TvZ and TvT I think they are pretty much on par with the asians.
{ToT}ColmA
Profile Joined November 2007
Japan3260 Posts
May 26 2010 22:16 GMT
#2350
any possiblity for the replays of maka to get uploaded? O_o
The only virgins in kpop left are the fans
Jaug
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden249 Posts
May 26 2010 22:37 GMT
#2351
Two best players going at it in semi finals with maka facing ogs.#¤!#¤!#¤!#¤, check vs dimaga should be a close match.
Obbalord
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany166 Posts
May 26 2010 23:25 GMT
#2352
wonder why sen didnt use infester very often. fungal/parasite would be great against makas style with a low medivac count mass rines and mech.

DeMusliM
Profile Joined February 2010
United Kingdom401 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-27 00:19:50
May 27 2010 00:18 GMT
#2353
On May 27 2010 06:16 TBO wrote:
dayfly lost in the groupstage vs TLO in TvT and he didn't look good that game, sure it was just a single game but in TvT you usually win if you are the better player. You are right about TvP being the weak point of european Terrans but in TvZ and TvT I think they are pretty much on par with the asians.


Actually from what i've seen, the following has happened:

Asian P's don't actually resort to making HT's like Euro P's - this makes it so much easier to win for a Terran.

- TvT i don't believe the better player always wins, sure the better player is more likely to win - but right now the rock paper scissor factor in tvt is incredibly volatile.

I'd agree to some extent that EU terrans are on par with the vsT and vsZ matchups, as for the P, i'd say the asian protoss players just weren't playing aswell to counter the bio style that most terrans adopted.

Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
May 27 2010 00:43 GMT
#2354
hoping im at least half as good as zelniq!^^
twitter.com/therealdhalism | "Trying out Z = lots of losses vs inferior players until you figure out how to do it well (if it even works)."- Liquid'Tyler
PROJECTILE
Profile Joined April 2010
United States226 Posts
May 27 2010 00:50 GMT
#2355
On May 27 2010 09:18 DeMusliM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2010 06:16 TBO wrote:
dayfly lost in the groupstage vs TLO in TvT and he didn't look good that game, sure it was just a single game but in TvT you usually win if you are the better player. You are right about TvP being the weak point of european Terrans but in TvZ and TvT I think they are pretty much on par with the asians.


Actually from what i've seen, the following has happened:

Asian P's don't actually resort to making HT's like Euro P's - this makes it so much easier to win for a Terran.

- TvT i don't believe the better player always wins, sure the better player is more likely to win - but right now the rock paper scissor factor in tvt is incredibly volatile.

I'd agree to some extent that EU terrans are on par with the vsT and vsZ matchups, as for the P, i'd say the asian protoss players just weren't playing aswell to counter the bio style that most terrans adopted.


I think it has more to do with openings. The terran openings that they have been using for a while now in korea (like 1/1/1) that are very effective against protoss were picked up WAY later by the euro/NA terrans, who were consistently still going reaper or marauder first, which really suck imo. I don't think the mid-late game differences were that major, but most terrans on NA or euro couldn't even get past the first 10 minutes.
However, no offense, I think maka is a step beyond most others.
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
May 27 2010 01:30 GMT
#2356
On May 27 2010 09:18 DeMusliM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2010 06:16 TBO wrote:
dayfly lost in the groupstage vs TLO in TvT and he didn't look good that game, sure it was just a single game but in TvT you usually win if you are the better player. You are right about TvP being the weak point of european Terrans but in TvZ and TvT I think they are pretty much on par with the asians.


Actually from what i've seen, the following has happened:

Asian P's don't actually resort to making HT's like Euro P's - this makes it so much easier to win for a Terran.

- TvT i don't believe the better player always wins, sure the better player is more likely to win - but right now the rock paper scissor factor in tvt is incredibly volatile.

I'd agree to some extent that EU terrans are on par with the vsT and vsZ matchups, as for the P, i'd say the asian protoss players just weren't playing aswell to counter the bio style that most terrans adopted.


i think Hasuobs vs Dayfly games show that this gap is largely exaggerated.
twitter.com/therealdhalism | "Trying out Z = lots of losses vs inferior players until you figure out how to do it well (if it even works)."- Liquid'Tyler
koppik
Profile Joined April 2010
United States676 Posts
May 27 2010 03:29 GMT
#2357
I know Tester, Inca, and probably the other protosses on oGs (just Spunky?) use HTs a ton in their PvT.
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-27 06:17:12
May 27 2010 06:07 GMT
#2358
wow Maka is so strong. His game on blistering sands was total dominance.

edit: rofl bm
Forsti.henning
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany220 Posts
May 27 2010 07:33 GMT
#2359
some Korean players will play a blizzard offically SC2 show tonight, so we change the time schedule
CET 28th 9:00 水果贩子 vs Maka
CET 29th 13:30 (Z)DIMAGA vs Check
CET 30th 9:00 3rd finals
CET 30th 13:30 FINALS
all BO7 matches


matches postponed !
cuppatea
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1401 Posts
May 27 2010 07:39 GMT
#2360
Any details on the Blizzard show?

I assume this is something to do with the new Blizzard/GomTV deal?
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