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teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
May 09 2010 03:12 GMT
#501
In the chat log that Artosis posted, Slush claims he watched the replay. So he obviously knew there was zero chance... any player of his caliber would. Then in the regame, he 9 pools hoping for an easy victory after Artosis is already tilting... not exactly very sportsman like play.
kyophan
Profile Joined January 2010
United States113 Posts
May 09 2010 03:14 GMT
#502
On May 09 2010 11:36 shinosai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2010 11:30 epik151 wrote:
I don't think Artosis is arguing that he was in the lead. I believe his argument is that Slush was in a position to say GG and leave but hadn't yet.

So if you're afraid of people playing to the point where the other person is about to say gg but they purposely disconnect...


My thoughts exactly. People arguing this are attacking a strawman rather than what actually happened.

These.

I was convinced he 100% had the game won. There's a difference between discing with a simple lead and discing from an overwhelming lead. Discing with an overwhelming lead just doesn't make much sense.
nath
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1788 Posts
May 09 2010 03:37 GMT
#503
On May 09 2010 10:56 MayorITC wrote:
Slush was entitled to a rematch by tourney rules (ie: admins make the call). However, it's not like Slush has no role in the entire decision. Slush gets to make the final call on whether to accept or decline the rematch. I hope 300$ was worth his integrity. I'm sure all the other SC2 tops are not going to have a favorable impression of him after this debacle.

$300 isn't chump change, granted what he did is frowned upon (rightfully so) but honestly esports is always like this, cutthroat. if you are given another chance, take it. the war3 scene had shit like this all the time.
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Zurope
Profile Joined May 2010
United States29 Posts
May 09 2010 04:14 GMT
#504
Slush is my new favorite zerg!
You Gotta Make It Happen
tertle
Profile Joined February 2010
Australia328 Posts
May 09 2010 04:24 GMT
#505
On May 09 2010 11:42 GenoZStriker wrote:
^ It would not be hard but they just don't have a reason to do it. If the opposing player disconnects, it registers as a win. If they allow reconnecting, what happens if the players never connects back? You have to wait 5 minute before they get dropped before taking the win? No thanks. It just delays things to much. It also has to do with the fact that Battle.net2.0 is P2P while HoN is a server based game.


Simply making reconnecting in custom games would be fine, don't need it in ladder. oh dear I dc'd from ladder, there goes my 15 points.. who cares.

Really it's pretty shitty that blizzard don't allow for reconnection in custom games, dota like ports and stuff could really do with it.

Doesn't have to force pause the game or whatever because it would be susceptible to abuse, just let the game play on but in a tournament the other player/specs can pause till rejoin.
PanzerDragoon
Profile Joined March 2010
United States822 Posts
May 09 2010 04:48 GMT
#506
On May 09 2010 10:05 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2010 10:00 roughinator wrote:
On May 09 2010 09:49 disco wrote:
On May 09 2010 09:45 roughinator wrote:
I think it should have been a restart for Artosis/Slush as anyone could d/c once in a while. Anyway you could say it's luck, but sometimes it's your internet provider.

Another point is that as we all have many pc's at home we can watch the Stream at the same time as participants play and they can just pretend that they're scouting :DD while they see the whole view + comments


Regame when there is no clear winner. This game there was a clear winner.. like crystal clear.


It doesn't matter, if you're better you'll win the second time as well.


That's not true on many levels. Besides the mental state, regaming a game you won basically means the opponent just got a free lesson in your build and play. This could potentially make it easy for him to "counter" you the next game.

If you allow a bad call to rattle you so easily, you need to evaluate how well you handle such things.

Athletes have to deal with bad calls all the time.
Gescom
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada3368 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-09 05:09:21
May 09 2010 05:08 GMT
#507
I would be more sympathetic for Artosis if it weren't for the same issue in the ro16 in game 2 versus day. You can't just have pc problems and cause drama every round. It's really bad for the tournament. Obviously if Slush went on to win his next to series against the best players in the tourney then he deserved to win.
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PanzerDragoon
Profile Joined March 2010
United States822 Posts
May 09 2010 05:53 GMT
#508
On May 09 2010 11:35 EnderW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2010 11:07 PanzerDragoon wrote:
On May 09 2010 09:44 TaKemE wrote:
There is not much the judges can do when Slush wants a rematch when Artosis was the one who DCed.

You can tell from the chat between Artosis and SLush, that Slush knew he lost but he still wanted to rematch.

The danger is that if you give Artosis the win there, people are going to start DCing when they sense they have a pretty good lead so they dont have to risk finishing the game off, and then arguing "just give me the win like you did with Artosis, I was ahead anyways". Its just going to be a bad precedent to set.


This is why the TOURNEY ADMINS did not necessarily make the worst decision.

It was Slush who should have taken the honorable route and conceded his loss.

Why? He's not in any way required to concede
PanzerDragoon
Profile Joined March 2010
United States822 Posts
May 09 2010 05:56 GMT
#509
On May 09 2010 14:08 Gescom wrote:
I would be more sympathetic for Artosis if it weren't for the same issue in the ro16 in game 2 versus day. You can't just have pc problems and cause drama every round. It's really bad for the tournament. Obviously if Slush went on to win his next to series against the best players in the tourney then he deserved to win.

Thats the other thing: its Artosis' responsibility to maintain a working computer or work with his page file so he doesn't have that paged memory pool problem.


And also one of the reasons that maybe its not so great an idea to run money tournaments during a beta when there are still lots of technical glitches
SixSongs
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Poland1455 Posts
May 09 2010 06:00 GMT
#510
Where can we find replays?
The Prince of DroneS
Slaptoast
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada134 Posts
May 09 2010 07:43 GMT
#511
On May 09 2010 15:00 SixSongs wrote:
Where can we find replays?


I'd like to know as well :S
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amanet
Profile Joined December 2007
Croatia334 Posts
May 09 2010 07:51 GMT
#512
i missed drama game vods or reps we want !
BluApex
Profile Joined May 2010
United States26 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-09 08:08:59
May 09 2010 08:08 GMT
#513
ask and you shall recieve:
[url blocked]

It was from the artosis post earlier, same file he uploaded.
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forgotten0ne
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States951 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-09 08:33:11
May 09 2010 08:32 GMT
#514
I love all this argument about "clear lead", despite seeing quite a few SC:BW and even SC2 games where a "Clear win" blew up in the person's face due to a severe misclick. It's VERY difficult to be a guaranteed win when taken out of a vacuum, and considering all circumstances. That's part of what makes Starcraft Starcraft. It's not played in a vacuum, things happen.
"Well it’s obvious that these Terran gamers are just extremely gifted when it comes to RTS games" -Ret, in regards to the first months of SC2
Wargizmo
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia1237 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-09 09:16:20
May 09 2010 09:11 GMT
#515
On May 09 2010 17:08 BluApex wrote:
ask and you shall recieve:
[url blocked]

It was from the artosis post earlier, same file he uploaded.


Thanks for that.

Very bad luck for Artosis, If only his comp had held out for that last battle very tough call to make for the refs at the time though I don't envy their position at all. While I wouldn't blame Artosis for being angry at the time (same thing just happened to me in a ladder match and it really sucks balls) I hope that he has the maturity to make up with EvilTeletubby, Kennigit and the other refs when he's had a chance to cool off.

As for Slush - yeah the sportsmanlike thing to do would be to have given up the loss but the nature of pro sports is not that way inclined and if he didn't watch the replay he might have still thought he had a fighting chance and it's perfectly understandable to default it to ref's call.


Information is not knowledge. Knowledge is not wisdom. Wisdom is not truth. Truth is not beauty. Beauty is not love. Love is not music. Music is best. - Frank Zappa
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42520 Posts
May 09 2010 09:48 GMT
#516
It's not that refs didn't understand the situation in that game, it's the external factors such as Slush saying he thought he had a chance and the fact that it was Artosis who disconnected which impacted their decision. A lot of debate went into the decision. Upon being informed of the decision Artosis' response was to insult all the refs claiming they were all too stupid or bad to understand how over it was. He refused to listen when it was explained that they were simply unwilling to reward a disconnect for any reason unless the other player conceeded. Artosis isn't obliged to agree with that call but he is obliged to follow it. His refusal to even listen to what the refs were saying and instead just keep calling everyone idiots delayed the tournament considerably and that is unacceptable. The refs agreed Artosis had the game won but the externalities were judged to take priority.
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 09 2010 10:29 GMT
#517
The refs agreed Artosis had the game won


no offense, but this just made your argument not so good
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Defeat
Profile Joined March 2010
United States476 Posts
May 09 2010 11:18 GMT
#518
On May 09 2010 09:44 UltraVires wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2010 09:43 Liquid`NonY wrote:
On May 09 2010 09:42 UltraVires wrote:
On May 09 2010 09:36 Liquid`NonY wrote:
On May 09 2010 09:07 HazMat wrote:
On May 09 2010 08:56 HuK wrote:
On May 09 2010 08:16 DeMusliM wrote:
HuK's use of voidray has been pretty poor in all of the games hes used them, i mean he had 2 void rays sat killing refinery scvs without charge, that could of done SOOOOOOOO much more damage if he just charged up on the cc for 5 secs - quite a big blunder



like ive stated before my cpu is completely shit and i dont want to make excuses or nething but it does hinder my ability to play at times (1 gig of ddr1 ram). and it doesnt help that im horrible with cpus

On May 09 2010 08:40 Liquid`NonY wrote:
lol @ huk saying well played, what an asshole!


? i wasnt being an asshole ? not trying to bad mannered or nething? dont get why u wont get off my dick

I think Nony was just joking.

well it is humorous but i meant what i said. louder was way ahead after killing the warp prism + 2 immortals and then he blew the game, said he fucked up, and huk's response is to say wp. if he actually means what he says with his wp bullshit, then it was a total asshole thing to say. could be he just hits enter wp enter enter gg enter like a fucking robot. anyway, yeah, this event lost credibility because of the artosis/slush thing.


The event lost credibility? I see things a differently....

As far as I'm concerned, Artosis lost credibility for freaking out and acting like a child. As Panzer said, even if it was a bad call, take it like a pro and move on.

And the tournament admins gained credibility for sticking to their guns and not letting Artosis proclaim himself the victor after dropping and then BM'ing....

Anyway just want to point out that "the event losses credibility" is not a necessary reading (or even the best reading, imo) of the Artosis/Slush controversy.

you just lost credibility


Mature dude, mature. Great to see senior members setting a good example


You are obviously new to the internet sir. Please read up on internet sarcasm.
"the metagame has really evolved to the point where the best chance to win the metagame is to game the metagame" -Bags
Wargizmo
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia1237 Posts
May 09 2010 13:39 GMT
#519
On May 09 2010 19:29 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
The refs agreed Artosis had the game won


no offense, but this just made your argument not so good



I think he's saying that at the time the refs made the call because the rules said a DC couldn't be awarded a win unless the loser concedes defeat. So even though Artosis had won, they could not award him the win without breaking their own rules.

This flies in the face of what Nazgul had said in the other thread. Although there were no rules for players posted publicly so we don't know who is right or who is wrong with regards to what the rules say.
Information is not knowledge. Knowledge is not wisdom. Wisdom is not truth. Truth is not beauty. Beauty is not love. Love is not music. Music is best. - Frank Zappa
sLiniss
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States849 Posts
May 09 2010 13:54 GMT
#520
Wow, I wasn't able to watch, but DANGGG who is this Slush guy? I want to see his replays! Glad to see a Zerg at the top!
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