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Strelok
Ukraine320 Posts
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mfZOR
Australia49 Posts
Fuck off idiot, players > obs anyday. | ||
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r4ptur3
United States30 Posts
On May 08 2010 13:13 TeWy wrote: Yes, it is obvious that an English TL member will always defend the English TL stream no matter what, but this is your personal opinion... Try to make it a rule if you like, but don't blame people for not doing what you want them to do because these kind of attitudes wouldn't help professionalizing e-sports. I would agree with you if this was just Nazgul talking. But both players asked observers to leave. How do you justify not respecting the players' opinions? It is pure goodwill on their part to let people stream at all, its not like you have a RIGHT to stream. And in terms of pure numbers, english is indeed the most-spoken language in the world (I can link you to some very trustworthy data on the matter). Thats a fact, not an opinion. | ||
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TeWy
France714 Posts
On May 08 2010 14:08 r4ptur3 wrote: I would agree with you if this was just Nazgul talking. But both players asked observers to leave. How do you justify not respecting the players' opinions? It is pure goodwill on their part to let people stream at all, its not like you have a RIGHT to stream. And in terms of pure numbers, english is indeed the most-spoken language in the world (I can link you to some very trustworthy data on the matter). Thats a fact, not an opinion. Your point is that when a game starts to lag, all the non-english non-TL streamers have to gtfo ? Or that players should always decide who can stay or gtfo ? I don't believe that any of these rules is transcendent enough to impose itself naturally.. O and btw, English is not the most-spoken language in the world, it is Chinese. EDIT: English is the 3rd one, after Spanish, so be careful with your arguments. | ||
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HubertFelix
France631 Posts
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r4ptur3
United States30 Posts
Sorry Tewy, I didnt express myself clearly. What I meant was most spoken language on the internet (so potential viewers). "A study on the presence of Romance languages on the Internet, published by the Latin Union in collaboration with FUNREDES, showed that as of November 2007, 45% of the webpages were written in English, 3.8% in Spanish, 4.41% in French, 2.66% in Italian, 1.39% in Portuguese, 0.28% in Romanian and 5.9% in German.[2] Chinese is the most spoken native language on Earth, and the second most-used language by Internet users." This is just wikipedia (link), but i can dig out more reliable sources if you want. | ||
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Lylat
France8575 Posts
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Technique
Netherlands1542 Posts
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gogogadgetflow
United States2583 Posts
On May 08 2010 15:06 r4ptur3 wrote: Yes, players can tell anyone to gtfo. Its their game, they didnt sign a contract or anything, i dont see how this could possibly even be a point of debate. Sorry Tewy, I didnt express myself clearly. What I meant was most spoken language on the internet (so potential viewers). "A study on the presence of Romance languages on the Internet, published by the Latin Union in collaboration with FUNREDES, showed that as of November 2007, 45% of the webpages were written in English, 3.8% in Spanish, 4.41% in French, 2.66% in Italian, 1.39% in Portuguese, 0.28% in Romanian and 5.9% in German.[2] Chinese is the most spoken native language on Earth, and the second most-used language by Internet users." This is just wikipedia (link), but i can dig out more reliable sources if you want. For anyone who thinks *the internet* is an unfair measure of which language is most understood, this site has some really relevant statistics and proves that english is most understood (even in Europe). | ||
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Nitro68
France470 Posts
I agree the english stream is the universal one, but if you only want this one your global coverage will not be as good. Streamers should leave if the dropbox appears with their name (like "superxpym") but why are you speacking of TheBest ? As far as I know, he was never on dropbox, was streaming and do not lag while streaming a ton of games... I'm not part of Millenium, but I'm just happy I can watch lots of Zotac or Razer games when Day[9] or GLHF.tv are not streaming... The real big problem I see in game 2 was that there was lag but no dropbox :/ | ||
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Longshank
1648 Posts
On May 08 2010 18:11 Nitro68 wrote: Streamers should leave if the dropbox appears with their name (like "superxpym") but why are you speacking of TheBest ? As far as I know, he was never on dropbox, was streaming and do not lag while streaming a ton of games... Probably because he was asked to leave but didn't. And streamers should leave if the game lags and the players ask them to, I can't see how this is even up for debate. | ||
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Glider
United States1353 Posts
On May 08 2010 12:55 TeWy wrote: Few things that you should take into consideration, it wasn't yours nor TeamLiquid's tournament, so neither of you or Day9 have any rights to order people to gtfo a game, no matter what your reasons are. These kind of decisions should be left to a razer-domination admin. Second thing, Day9 wasn't the only streamer, I know it might seem weird considering how good his comments usually are, but some people either don't like hearing english, can't comprehend it, or don't appreciate Day9's way of commentating a game. There were several hundreds people watching some of these different streams, so you can't simply order people to shut them down when you feel like it. In a tournament or game, content stream is only worth a damn on the foundation that the players are playing to their ability/potential. Streamers are content deliverers, they have ZERO value by themselves, it's absurd for content deliverer to continue delivery if doing so screws up the very game play/content they are serving. Regardless of who is in charge of the tournament, the highest priority should be to ensure the player can play in an environment without handicap that can be avoided (in this case lag). So any sensible admin should agree the player can ask any obs to gtfo. If only 1 or 2 streamer can be kept, obviously it should be the most received and understood ones in order to benefit most amount of people. In this case.. english. It's not even a big problem since other streamers can just stream the rep right after. | ||
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zTz
United States476 Posts
It's a tournament... Money and bragging rights on the line During a sponsored event. When lag interferes with gameplay, it must be removed. Is that not comprehensible to you? -- as was mentioned by a previous thread poster, obs are guest invited to front row viewings (rather than releasing replays for casting...) Also your a moron x2 for claiming Chinese is the most spoken language world wide. That useless fact migh be true but I don't see international events, world summit meetigs, business deals, or mergers and aquisitions being done in Chinese. Your from France and you speak fluent English, as done almost every othe person international. Thanks. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
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Skeggaba
Korea (South)1556 Posts
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
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UbiNax
Denmark381 Posts
On May 08 2010 12:55 TeWy wrote: Few things that you should take into consideration, it wasn't yours nor TeamLiquid's tournament, so neither of you or Day9 have any rights to order people to gtfo a game, no matter what your reasons are. These kind of decisions should be left to a razer-domination admin. Second thing, Day9 wasn't the only streamer, I know it might seem weird considering how good his comments usually are, but some people either don't like hearing english, can't comprehend it, or don't appreciate Day9's way of commentating a game. There were several hundreds people watching some of these different streams, so you can't simply order people to shut them down when you feel like it. Are you serious TeWy? it have nothing to do with if its DeMuSlims tournament or Teamliquids if players ask obs/streamers to leave the game " in any tournament " duo to lag and are willing to let a few streamers stay behind without cocasters then that should be it, obs and streamers should leave, and i assume the reason why he wanted Day9 to stay is because its an english stream which have WAAAAY way more veiwers than ANY of the other streams, Day9s stream had the majority of the veiwers on his channel it is beyond me why they didnt remake game 2 and only invite 1-3 streamers without co casters | ||
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Nitro68
France470 Posts
On May 08 2010 18:53 Longshank wrote: Probably because he was asked to leave but didn't. And streamers should leave if the game lags and the players ask them to, I can't see how this is even up for debate. He was not asked to leave. Day9 asked him 3 times if he was streaming and he said yes 3 times. Strelok asked Day9 to leave in the 3rd place final and he didn't. I just dont think it's fair to ask people to leave when they were not lagging in game 1. | ||
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Longshank
1648 Posts
On May 08 2010 21:52 Nitro68 wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On May 08 2010 18:53 Longshank wrote: Probably because he was asked to leave but didn't. And streamers should leave if the game lags and the players ask them to, I can't see how this is even up for debate. He was not asked to leave. Day9 asked him 3 times if he was streaming and he said yes 3 times. Strelok asked Day9 to leave in the 3rd place final and he didn't. I just dont think it's fair to ask people to leave when they were not lagging in game 1. Demuslim asked all obs but Day9 to leave didn't he? What are you suggesting, that the players need some kind of evidence of someone lagging before asking them to leave? If it's unplayable, there's a load of obs and no telling which one slows it down the only solution is to bring it down to a minimum, the required admin(s) and the main stream(in this case Day9) staying. You can't expect the players to make the decission of which of the lesser streamers may stay and which one will have to leave. First of all it's a big hassle when they should be focusing on the game, secondly, imagine the flamefest if ONLY the German streamer was asked to leave with no actual hint of him lagging. Life's unfair, get used to it. | ||
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