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Chucky
Germany56 Posts
a new tournament with 16 of the best players throughout europe was announced. The tourney will last one month, starting this monday. Announcement news in German here, the cup page location is Razer-Domination.com. You can find all important information including playersheets there. Replays: Razer-Domination.com Playoff dates: Razer-Domination.com Cheers, Chucky | ||
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Toads
Canada1795 Posts
ret mondragon nazgul etc... | ||
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theMACHINE
Canada5 Posts
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
Got great headphones and an amazing mouse from them. | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
Looking at group1 I was like "oh no wtf they put all my favourite players in the same group", but then I looked at the others and thought "damn hes awesome too, so is he, and he.." sweet Tbh I was expecting a larger prize pool upon seeing the name razer, but this is still not bad, especially if this thing is gonna happen more often. | ||
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stratanic
France37 Posts
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SmoKim
Denmark10301 Posts
Even more solid line-up then TL invitational o_0 On April 11 2010 03:52 theMACHINE wrote: Nice! I hope there will be english commentators ^ What he said | ||
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whiterabbit
2675 Posts
On April 11 2010 03:52 theMACHINE wrote: Nice! I hope there will be english commentators http://razer.cups.gamesports.net/live Streamer GameSports.TV Day[9].tv Niiiiiice. | ||
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frequency
Australia1901 Posts
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
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Irrelevant
United States2364 Posts
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G4MR
United States371 Posts
On April 11 2010 03:52 theMACHINE wrote: Nice! I hope there will be english commentators It show's day9 on the commentators page. Whiterabbit beat me :D | ||
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Raydog
United States632 Posts
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The6357
United States1268 Posts
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lgd-haze
Sweden547 Posts
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On April 11 2010 04:24 whiterabbit wrote: http://razer.cups.gamesports.net/live Streamer GameSports.TV Day[9].tv Niiiiiice. jesus the amount of hours that day9 talks about starcraft.... must be over 9000 by now. If he's not gonna be able to get some sort of job that properly pays out of this I'll be hugely disappointed. | ||
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Puosu
6984 Posts
Any ways hoping for some good games, at least the players point towards that being exactly the case. | ||
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On April 11 2010 07:01 Puosu wrote: I really hope Razer is not abusing Day's love for StarCraft and are actually paying him for his awesome job. I guess the chances of that are low though seeing as the prize money if a bit .. small. I guess they're not really taking the beta as seriously as TSL1 for example. Any ways hoping for some good games, at least the players point towards that being exactly the case. He's not getting paid for any other tournaments he casts so I wouldnt exactly call that "abusing" | ||
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YunhOLee
Canada2470 Posts
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s.a.y
Croatia3840 Posts
first time major sponsor in Starcraft 2 beta. quite important in my opinion. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
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whiterabbit
2675 Posts
On April 11 2010 08:40 s.a.y wrote: great stuff. first time major sponsor in Starcraft 2 beta. quite important in my opinion. Not trying to downgrade this tour or Razer but there were already tournaments for SC2beta with much larger prize. But yeah, it's greaaaat that Razer jumped on SC2beta tour-wagon! Big news, indeed. | ||
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PerQ
Sweden48 Posts
Really excited about this tournament! ^^ | ||
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zul
Germany5427 Posts
On April 11 2010 08:52 {88}iNcontroL wrote: prize is pretty damn small actually o-O bit odd for razer. yeah really : / (the grid looks super strong tho) | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
But who knows maybe it turn into a regular thing with prize money growing largely slowly=)) | ||
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omninmo
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Xiphiasar
United States78 Posts
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Jonoman92
United States9103 Posts
On April 11 2010 11:17 Xiphiasar wrote: Prize money is almost shameful. They don't even match half of Hello-Goodbye's community raised $1100+. 400 euro = $540 I don't quite get your logic.... Putting up over $500 is still pretty good. Seems like everybody wins imo. Players, fans, and razer gets publicity. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On April 11 2010 09:02 PerQ wrote: I really appreciate all the things that Day[9] has done for the starcraft community. I think it's sad if he doesn't get paid for commentating in these bigger tournaments. Does anyone know if I can donate money to him somehow? Really excited about this tournament! ^^ You actually can check the Day 9 daily thread I think it should be in there or pm him ^^. | ||
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arew
Lithuania1861 Posts
Gogo HasuObs !!! <3 | ||
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gibb
Sweden288 Posts
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SmoKim
Denmark10301 Posts
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
On April 11 2010 08:52 {88}iNcontroL wrote: prize is pretty damn small actually o-O bit odd for razer. ye i agree :d On April 11 2010 07:07 7mk wrote: He's not getting paid for any other tournaments he casts so I wouldnt exactly call that "abusing" well he should be getting paid imo. hes more important than the players because he attracts viewers more than anyone and isnt that what its all about? | ||
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s.a.y
Croatia3840 Posts
On April 11 2010 08:54 whiterabbit wrote: Not trying to downgrade this tour or Razer but there were already tournaments for SC2beta with much larger prize. But yeah, it's greaaaat that Razer jumped on SC2beta tour-wagon! Big news, indeed. It's not about the prize money, it's about the name. ESL is a TV station that broadcasts games (comparable to OGN or MBC in Korea), Hello Goodbye is a community driven tournament, and Zotac cups are sponsored by gfx card company. Razer is a huge step for SC2. Once Gillette, Adidas,Coca Cola and similar ( not PC oriented company's) get into the sponsor list, then you could start calling it esports. Razer is a on a good step to that objective. | ||
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cYaN
Norway3322 Posts
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On April 11 2010 19:56 MorroW wrote: ye i agree :d well he should be getting paid imo. hes more important than the players because he attracts viewers more than anyone and isnt that what its all about? On April 11 2010 06:58 7mk wrote: jesus the amount of hours that day9 talks about starcraft.... must be over 9000 by now. If he's not gonna be able to get some sort of job that properly pays out of this I'll be hugely disappointed. As you can see it's not like I disagree with you about that... I was just saying that abuse is a bit of a strong word | ||
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Golden Ghost
Netherlands1041 Posts
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Jsanko
Slovakia120 Posts
and group D is killer group tho | ||
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Maynard
United States889 Posts
On April 11 2010 19:56 MorroW wrote: well he should be getting paid imo. hes more important than the players because he attracts viewers more than anyone and isnt that what its all about? 100%. I don't care about watching you chobs butcher strategies. I care about listening to day9's sweet soothing voice. | ||
Liquid`Sheth
United States2095 Posts
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Fogul
United Kingdom179 Posts
 want to see how good he is at sc2 when he's actually trying | ||
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PerQ
Sweden48 Posts
On April 11 2010 21:48 Golden Ghost wrote: I really hope White-Ra finishes first in group C. The groups were probably made at random but couldn't they have built a safety that whenever there are 2 people from the same country already in a group it isn't possible to have more? One group with 3 Swedes is a bit much for something like this don't you think? Agreed! ^^ | ||
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duckhunt
Canada311 Posts
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Xiphiasar
United States78 Posts
On April 11 2010 16:19 Jonoman92 wrote: I don't quite get your logic.... Putting up over $500 is still pretty good. Seems like everybody wins imo. Players, fans, and razer gets publicity. My logic is that a big company like Razer could easily put up more, but you are correct. Everybody wins and I'm complaining too much. | ||
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AraqirG
United States266 Posts
The sheer amount of time Day9 spends commentating SC blows my mind. I have no idea hows hes doing this much commentating AND grad school. | ||
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gogogadgetflow
United States2583 Posts
On April 11 2010 06:58 7mk wrote: jesus the amount of hours that day9 talks about starcraft.... must be over 9000 by now. If he's not gonna be able to get some sort of job that properly pays out of this I'll be hugely disappointed. I also hope he gets some paying job out of this but I think he just does it for fun. I'm sure if he wanted a real job in e-sports he'd clean up a little (shower and shave) before casting something important to show that he gives a crap. | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10301 Posts
I also hope he gets some paying job out of this but I think he just does it for fun. I'm sure if he wanted a real job in e-sports he'd clean up a little (shower and shave) before casting something important to show that he gives a crap. your serious? | ||
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Chucky
Germany56 Posts
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1164 Posts
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Martijn
Netherlands1219 Posts
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ZOTACvash
Germany3 Posts
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Prog
United Kingdom1470 Posts
http://razer.cups.gamesports.net/live/glhftv | ||
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HubertFelix
France631 Posts
Is there another one? Edit : when i use directly http://www.glhf.tv/ i don't lag | ||
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G4MR
United States371 Posts
Live now | ||
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Chucky
Germany56 Posts
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Khalleb
Canada1909 Posts
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SmoKim
Denmark10301 Posts
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G4MR
United States371 Posts
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Tdelamay
Canada548 Posts
On April 12 2010 03:56 gogogadgetflow wrote: I also hope he gets some paying job out of this but I think he just does it for fun. I'm sure if he wanted a real job in e-sports he'd clean up a little (shower and shave) before casting something important to show that he gives a crap. Because we all know a groomed beard improves the quality of a cast. I don't think Day9 could be any more passionate about castign Starcraft matches. The messy hair and tea drinking is almost part of his act. It gives the stream a casual ambiance. I'm sure that if Day9 would take time to look nice if he had to do paid professional casting on a stage. As long as it's not paid, it's a hobby and you do what you think is best. | ||
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DeMusliM
United Kingdom401 Posts
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G4MR
United States371 Posts
On April 13 2010 04:52 DeMusliM wrote: actually i think mass roachs are definetely needed vs tanks/thors :S Roach would of been fine as well. Baneling was a waste imo. He broke the rocks to his 3rd and could of easily flanked. Then there was a time he FG'ed with his infestors and didn't move in. Face palm situation. | ||
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wintergt
Belgium1335 Posts
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Ghardo
Germany1685 Posts
Dimaga vs Jinro in about 4 1/2 hours cast by http://razer.cups.gamesports.net/live (specific casts inside) should be GGs! | ||
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Zurles
United Kingdom1659 Posts
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iNviSible.yunO
Germany211 Posts
On April 14 2010 00:54 Ghardo wrote: Mondragon vs Nazgul in about one hour Dimaga vs Jinro in about 4 1/2 hours cast by http://razer.cups.gamesports.net/live (specific casts inside) should be GGs! are you sure about the mondi vs nazgul game? it says tba on the page, so it might have been postponed... | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
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Ghardo
Germany1685 Posts
On April 14 2010 01:37 iNviSible.yunO wrote: are you sure about the mondi vs nazgul game? it says tba on the page, so it might have been postponed... seems mondragon has postponed the match. so only Dimaga vs Jinro today. | ||
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Pekkz
Norway1505 Posts
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Puosu
6984 Posts
I am guessing they wont move Dimaga vs Jinro to an earlier timeslot because of this? | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10301 Posts
seems mondragon has postponed the match. so only Dimaga vs Jinro today. WHAT? nooooooo i was so looking forward to this match :'( Edit: *sigh* | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On April 13 2010 03:16 G4MR wrote: Man Mondragon was disappointing. He went Hydra/baneling against mech and not hydra/speedling. well its between Strelok and Luci who has the best TvZ, so no shame in losing. | ||
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Day[9]
United States7366 Posts
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Day[9]
United States7366 Posts
hurrrrrrrr | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
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Puosu
6984 Posts
On April 14 2010 02:48 Azarkon wrote: Go Jinro. Definitely, I guess Day's commentary skills allow him to make anyone look like a genius but this time I think its genuine. Thors S2. | ||
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DeMusliM
United Kingdom401 Posts
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theqat
United States2856 Posts
On April 14 2010 03:01 DeMusliM wrote: wait, what time CET does jinro vs dimaga start? :S I've no clue - i thought it would be on gosugamers 90 minutes from this post i think | ||
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Ghardo
Germany1685 Posts
On April 14 2010 03:01 DeMusliM wrote: wait, what time CET does jinro vs dimaga start? :S I've no clue - i thought it would be on gosugamers http://razer.cups.gamesports.net/overview | ||
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DeMusliM
United Kingdom401 Posts
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
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rhap
Brazil136 Posts
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Chucky
Germany56 Posts
Hf watching =) | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
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Necrosjef
United Kingdom530 Posts
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Julmust
Sweden4867 Posts
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Necrosjef
United Kingdom530 Posts
On April 14 2010 05:35 Julmust wrote: so they've started and no streams? Looks like it. I can't get any of the streams to work. | ||
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Julmust
Sweden4867 Posts
http://tv.zeroboy.net/milleniumwebtv for a larger view | ||
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Tiwo
Netherlands306 Posts
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Rizzelet
United States74 Posts
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Chucky
Germany56 Posts
Working as well | ||
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Ghardo
Germany1685 Posts
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Pekkz
Norway1505 Posts
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Anth13
Canada32 Posts
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Pekkz
Norway1505 Posts
On April 14 2010 05:41 Chucky wrote: http://razer.cups.gamesports.net/live/gamesports_de Working as well Not for me | ||
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Dust14
Belgium490 Posts
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3nickma
Denmark1510 Posts
Is working for me. In French, but still better than no stream I guess | ||
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Ghardo
Germany1685 Posts
On April 14 2010 02:40 Day[9] wrote: take a wild guess who's casting! ^_~ you... not? | ||
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Julmust
Sweden4867 Posts
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SmoKim
Denmark10301 Posts
On April 14 2010 02:40 Day[9] wrote: take a wild guess who's casting! ^_~ we need our hero caster now <3 plz if any english stream is up people, post it here | ||
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DeMusliM
United Kingdom401 Posts
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3nickma
Denmark1510 Posts
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maybenexttime
Poland5510 Posts
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3nickma
Denmark1510 Posts
On April 14 2010 06:12 maybenexttime wrote: Score so far? http://razer.cups.gamesports.net/overview | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
I sieged my tanks way too close to the zerg, dimaga's counter attack made me too impatient Before watching the replay I thought I just had no chance either game - I dunno if I should be happy or annoyed. | ||
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Ghardo
Germany1685 Posts
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
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rhap
Brazil136 Posts
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Chucky
Germany56 Posts
Replays are online for those who missed it: MyStarCraft.de | ||
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Pekkz
Norway1505 Posts
On April 14 2010 06:17 FrozenArbiter wrote: Ack, I just watched the replay of the 2nd game - 180 supply me vs 140 supply zerg and I lose the battle haha =[ I sieged my tanks way too close to the zerg, dimaga's counter attack made me too impatient Before watching the replay I thought I just had no chance either game - I dunno if I should be happy or annoyed. Can you post reps plz? edit: nvm someone just posted em | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On April 14 2010 06:20 rhap wrote: pretty good games, and dimaga just showed how solid his zerg play is. Dimaga is SCARY. Not as scary as before these games but still scary. | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
On April 11 2010 07:01 Puosu wrote: I really hope Razer is not abusing Day's love for StarCraft and are actually paying him for his awesome job. I guess the chances of that are low though seeing as the prize money if a bit .. small. I guess they're not really taking the beta as seriously as TSL1 for example. Any ways hoping for some good games, at least the players point towards that being exactly the case. Everyone loves to watch Day do casts, he's got to be the favorite SC2 caster by far nowadays, but I do feel bad for him. I just read he's doing the EG Liquid clan war this saturday, he always does the zotac cup on saturadys too, and MLG Showmatch's, he does his streams 5 days a week, is a grad student with a job, has a girlfriend, and streams so many other things. I hope people do make it worth his while to help out because he really is such a big figure in our community and it'd suck if we were the reason he's overworked. | ||
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rhap
Brazil136 Posts
On April 14 2010 06:21 FrozenArbiter wrote: Dimaga is SCARY. Not as scary as before these games but still scary. Yeah, I was watching the games with a few friends and I couldn't notice how solid he is. It's hard to see any flaw in his games. I want the replays to check how exactly he had such big advantage in the last battle of the last game. Edit: Oh, nice. Replays are up already. | ||
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Pekkz
Norway1505 Posts
On April 14 2010 06:17 FrozenArbiter wrote: Ack, I just watched the replay of the 2nd game - 180 supply me vs 140 supply zerg and I lose the battle haha =[ I sieged my tanks way too close to the zerg, dimaga's counter attack made me too impatient Before watching the replay I thought I just had no chance either game - I dunno if I should be happy or annoyed. Game on Scrap station was just lost because of a bad angle. He had huge concave with a flank in the back. Also you ran your entire bio army into his frontlines to get hit by siege tank aoe. Game on Kulas ravine was lost cause you didnt target the infestors. They where far away behind units i know, but they need to die if you have a thor heavy army. Else he will just pick 2 thors, use Cannons on two other thors, then friendly fire the thors after battle is over, annoying as fuck I know =[ | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
And that's what I meant by being too impatient - I should have sieged my tanks in the back, ran my bio army up, then retreatead, then attacked again once he pulls back. | ||
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rhap
Brazil136 Posts
You just mentioned a better way of dealing with that situation heh. Well, good games. | ||
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Martijn
Netherlands1219 Posts
I couldn't earlier because only thegunrun's name was listed. | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10301 Posts
On April 14 2010 07:18 Martijn wrote: Sorry guys, I requested to get added as a separate caster (apart from glhf.tv) so I will be able to cast even when thegunrun is in class or otherwise occupied, just on a different page. I fully well realize I'm no day[9] by far but some of you guys have probably heard me cocast with thegunrun, I'll do my best to make sure there's an English stream, whether it's glhf.tv or when thegunrun isn't around h2ktv.com I couldn't earlier because only thegunrun's name was listed. Thats great news, we were really missing english commentary today :-/ just not the same without now we have something to look forward to, thank you looking forward to the commentaries | ||
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diehilde
Germany1596 Posts
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3nickma
Denmark1510 Posts
Here's hoping for an English casted stream | ||
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Pekkz
Norway1505 Posts
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Martijn
Netherlands1219 Posts
If one of the options, say the flash player for example, lags for you, feel free to try a different player. h2ktv offers several methods of watching the stream so hopefully you can find one that's smooth for you. We'll be live 5ish minutes before the game, give or take. Or as I like to call it 1 pm EST-GamerTime ;p Hope you guys enjoy and spread the word. | ||
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Chucky
Germany56 Posts
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Julmust
Sweden4867 Posts
On April 15 2010 01:33 Martijn wrote: Jinro vs. HasuObs will be streamed with English commentary by myself on http://www.h2ktv.com. Click the live link and pick your poison. If one of the options, say the flash player for example, lags for you, feel free to try a different player. h2ktv offers several methods of watching the stream so hopefully you can find one that's smooth for you. We'll be live 5ish minutes before the game, give or take. Or as I like to call it 1 pm EST-GamerTime ;p Hope you guys enjoy and spread the word. That's so awesome man, having all those streams. Thank you so much! | ||
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Martijn
Netherlands1219 Posts
On April 15 2010 01:58 Chucky wrote: H2k.TV H2kTV.com  | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10301 Posts
ITS LIVE good games all!!!edit: this one is live too now http://www.h2ktv.com/live/ | ||
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cyclone25
Romania3344 Posts
On April 15 2010 02:01 Julmust wrote: That's so awesome man, having all those streams. Thank you so much! Nice video quality and no lags <3 Thanks! | ||
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HCastorp
United States388 Posts
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GogoKodo
Canada1785 Posts
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
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4Servy
Netherlands1542 Posts
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Raydog
United States632 Posts
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Chucky
Germany56 Posts
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4Servy
Netherlands1542 Posts
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cyclone25
Romania3344 Posts
On April 15 2010 02:47 4Servy wrote: Wc3 players sux @ base trading lol Base trade is more common in W3 than SC. HasuObs will win it xD | ||
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s.a.y
Croatia3840 Posts
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
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Chucky
Germany56 Posts
Replays are online: MyStarCraft.de Group Stage updated: Razer-Domination.com | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
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SmoKim
Denmark10301 Posts
such a shame, but still awesome match, no base victory, didn't see that commingBIG shout for http://www.h2ktv.com/live/ best quality stream i have yet to see in SC2 tournament, 100% lag free(For me) and high quality, loved it <3 | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On April 15 2010 02:34 4Servy wrote: Thors are the most useless unit ever vs protoss and I dont know why he is so obsessed with making them. Because if you open tank you die instantly to void rays, and if you open bio you die to anything because bio is fucking useless now? Because if the P opens 4 warp-gate sentry/zealot, Thor auto-wins the game? Because it's worked well vs almost everyone I've played in ladder (of course, almost none of them make void rays, I fucking hate void rays and have no idea how to play vs them)? Because they 2 shot stalkers, and stalkers with blink ruin mech otherwise? | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
If I open bio and he isn't doing this, I'll just die to 4 warp gate push, or at the very least get locked inside my main from all the force fields. | ||
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Hrrrrm
United States2081 Posts
Can these games be put up on the calendar? Or create a second SC2 calendar below the current one on the site? Hell I'd volunteer to input the information if it came to that. | ||
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Art.FeeL
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Pekkz
Norway1505 Posts
On April 15 2010 02:55 Chucky wrote: What a sick second map :D Replays are online: MyStarCraft.de Group Stage updated: Razer-Domination.com Great replay site, spoils the result with big letters lol. | ||
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Ghardo
Germany1685 Posts
On April 15 2010 06:39 Pekkz wrote: Great replay site, spoils the result with big fucking letters lol. could you use fucking slightly less? thanks. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On April 15 2010 02:55 HolydaKing wrote: jinro is really slumping =[ let's hope he's back in shape vs EG! slumping? Losing to the best zerg on the planet and probably 3rd best euro protoss is slumping? oh right i forgot he also lost to the best terran>< what a nublet! | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
Hasuobs played really good ;< On April 15 2010 02:55 SmoKim wrote: WoW, i was 100% sure that jinro would win that game such a shame, but still awesome match, no base victory, didn't see that commingBIG shout for http://www.h2ktv.com/live/ best quality stream i have yet to see in SC2 tournament, 100% lag free(For me) and high quality, loved it <3 I average 1 base-trade/day I think ;( If I feel behind - base race gogo !! (slightly exaggerated) | ||
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Martijn
Netherlands1219 Posts
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ToT)OjKa(
Korea (South)2437 Posts
shit is goooooooooood | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
Besides, you're the only man to stop lucifron in a tournament that gotta account for something. | ||
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Pekkz
Norway1505 Posts
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Ghardo
Germany1685 Posts
Demuslim vs HasuObs 20:00 GMT (+00:00) cast will prolly be provided by http://razer.cups.gamesports.net/live/gamesports_de *german stream live now* | ||
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GogoKodo
Canada1785 Posts
On April 16 2010 03:18 Ghardo wrote: Demuslim vs Dimaga 18:30 GMT (+00:00) Demuslim vs HasuObs 20:00 GMT (+00:00) cast will prolly be provided by http://starcraft.gamesports.net/live/ (if not I'll update) I changed it from CET to CEST, the difference is 1 hour, I'm not sure which is the proper one, http://razer.cups.gamesports.net/ shows all the times listed as CEST Thursday, Apr 15 6:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00) DeMusliM vs DIMAGA Thursday, Apr 15 8:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) DeMusliM vs HasuObs | ||
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Ghardo
Germany1685 Posts
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Julmust
Sweden4867 Posts
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Martijn
Netherlands1219 Posts
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Martijn
Netherlands1219 Posts
On April 16 2010 03:27 Julmust wrote: so no h2k tv today? Sorry, I can't cast for two streams at once, hehe. | ||
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Jonteman
Sweden644 Posts
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cyclone25
Romania3344 Posts
edit: Day[9] casting is more epic though <3 | ||
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HolydaKing
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Walde
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
1. He didn't attack that PF or 2. He got hydralisk range -_- | ||
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HolydaKing
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3nickma
Denmark1510 Posts
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Fogul
United Kingdom179 Posts
On April 16 2010 03:44 Einudd ap Gorddwfn wrote: Did DeMuslim work out his lag issues to Ukraine? clearly | ||
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cuppatea
United Kingdom1401 Posts
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
Dimaga must be pissed | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On April 16 2010 04:02 Jyvblamo wrote: Dimaga had this game easily if 1. He didn't attack that PF or 2. He got hydralisk range -_- He didnt have hydralisk range? | ||
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Walde
Finland74 Posts
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GogoKodo
Canada1785 Posts
Yup. Even made 2 hydralisk dens but never researched range. | ||
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Hrrrrm
United States2081 Posts
Nope never got it for whatever reason. Even when he lost the Hydra Den and then rebuilt it. Just never researched it. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On April 16 2010 04:07 Walde wrote: It was still cool to see how one mistake by 4-base zerg led to a loss against a 2-base terran. zerg have the highest broken keyboard per capita ratio. | ||
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UltraVires
United States241 Posts
On April 16 2010 04:07 Walde wrote: It was still cool to see how one mistake by 4-base zerg led to a loss against a 2-base terran. Exactly. Demu played that really well; he totally unraveled Dimaga after he made one mistake. I liked his MM micro and extra heavy use of medivacs. | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
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UltraVires
United States241 Posts
in other news, dimaga is a beast with creep tumors | ||
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United States9218 Posts
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Denmark1510 Posts
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United States2081 Posts
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Canada13788 Posts
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Austria7781 Posts
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Squallcloud
France466 Posts
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HolydaKing
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Romania3344 Posts
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United States9218 Posts
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UltraVires
United States241 Posts
On April 16 2010 04:31 Squallcloud wrote: Wow just tuned in and i saw the zerg gg when he had more than half the map what happened? Dimaga rolled into to harass an expo with like 5-7 broodlords, which turned out to be a big mistake. Demu had a fleet of vikings which killed most of the bls. Bls too slow to escape! | ||
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Strelok
Ukraine320 Posts
On April 16 2010 04:32 Sfydjklm wrote: i understand that when dimaga flashed those corruptors he shoulda counter attacked right away but its ridiculous how hard it is on the zerg to make even the slightest mistake and how unpunished terrans are by anything that happens(i.e. losing expo and a ton of army game 1; making a 7 gas 10 starport) Slightest mistake is what? Forgetting hydra upgrade, attacking fortress when having 4 vs 2 bases, loosing 6 blood lords for nothing? | ||
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diehilde
Germany1596 Posts
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
Oh yeah, not to mention losing 3-5 broodlords to vikings for free, due to being over-aggressive. TL:DR, Z overextended himself. | ||
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Hrrrrm
United States2081 Posts
On April 16 2010 04:31 Squallcloud wrote: Wow just tuned in and i saw the zerg gg when he had more than half the map what happened? Pushed with Broodlords to DeMu's natural to kill some scv's maybe the PF and didn't see DeMu had about 8-10 vikings. Broodlords were caught out of position and lost 4 out of the 6. After that DeMu juked Dimaga pretty bad breaking the rocks to the middle path of Scrap Station and got him out of position. Killed another Broodlord moving across the map with vikings, backed out and pushed towards middle and killed about 5-6 spine crawlers without any units around. At that point he had about 10-12 vikings and a pretty big MMM army pushed towards Dimagas third and won it pretty easily. Very good play. | ||
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FaZiNaTe
Germany290 Posts
but this 1. game from demuslim was just insane!" | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On April 16 2010 04:34 3D.Strelok wrote: Slightest mistake is what? Forgetting hydra upgrade, attacking fortress when having 4 vs 2 bases, loosing 6 blood lords for nothing? YES? you said it yourself, 4 bases vs 2 bases? Besides considering how much Demu lost before that(including his expo) they should've been even. Where's your crazy OP zerg production values? The games shouldnt hang in the balance because of 6 units. Especially since Demu encorporated massive amounts of vikings to counter them. Building this many air to air units should set your ground force back, not make it way superior to ur opponent. | ||
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Chucky
Germany56 Posts
Next Game up in about 20 minutes, DeMusliMs second one for tonight vs. HasuObs. Streamer will be the same like before: Day[9], GameSports, Millenium, GLHF and I hope I didn't forget any :D | ||
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United States7366 Posts
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Warrior Madness
Canada3791 Posts
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Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
On April 16 2010 04:40 Day[9] wrote: oh my god both of those players are so good You better coam your hair and put on something decent for the next cast, Day :D My rl friends giggled. | ||
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lolreaper
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Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
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Netherlands15103 Posts
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
But those excuses aside, the game could have gone a lot differently if Dimaga was more patient and didn't try to harass the T's natural with his BLs. | ||
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Norway456 Posts
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Strelok
Ukraine320 Posts
On April 16 2010 04:37 Sfydjklm wrote: YES? you said it yourself, 4 bases vs 2 bases? Besides considering how much Demu lost before that(including his expo) they should've been even. Where's your crazy OP zerg production values? The games shouldnt hang in the balance because of 6 units. Especially since Demu encorporated massive amounts of vikings to counter them. Building this many air to air units should set your ground force back, not make it way superior to ur opponent. Please count how many minerals-gaz Dimaga had to waste to make those brood lords. Spire-greater spire - mutalisks - corruptors - broodlords. And now think how many minerals his 3 and 4 bases managed to earn (considering money on it's building and building of drones, queens, gazes) | ||
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Irrelevant
United States2364 Posts
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cuppatea
United Kingdom1401 Posts
On April 16 2010 04:37 Sfydjklm wrote: YES? you said it yourself, 4 bases vs 2 bases? Besides considering how much Demu lost before that(including his expo) they should've been even. Where's your crazy OP zerg production values? The games shouldnt hang in the balance because of 6 units. Especially since Demu encorporated massive amounts of vikings to counter them. Building this many air to air units should set your ground force back, not make it way superior to ur opponent. When the 6 units in question are Broodlords, of course the game will hang in the balance. He suicided 1800 minerals, 1500 gas and 24 supply worth of units in what was, prior to that, a fairly even game. None of the races could throw away that kind of unit investment in a close game and then expect to win a huge fight immediately afterwards. | ||
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Martijn
Netherlands1219 Posts
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/6203863 http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/6204321 | ||
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ApolloSC2
United Kingdom804 Posts
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On April 16 2010 04:57 cuppatea wrote: When the 6 units in question are Broodlords, of course the game will hang in the balance. He suicided 1800 minerals, 1500 gas and 24 supply worth of units in what was, prior to that, a fairly even game. None of the races could throw away that kind of unit investment in a close game and then expect to win a huge fight immediately afterwards. so vikings are free then?:O and building ur starport this early while failing to do any dmg is free too? u and strelok only see what u want to see. | ||
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United States2364 Posts
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DrainX
Sweden3187 Posts
On April 16 2010 05:08 d.Apollo wrote: now we get to see BALANCE with tvp =/ lol Hope we don't get to see a repeat of Hasuobs vs Jinro It's so painful to see terrans die to Voidrays. | ||
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3nickma
Denmark1510 Posts
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cronican
Canada424 Posts
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lolreaper
301 Posts
whats your point? broodlords were important and they would definatelly shift the outcome of final battle. | ||
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Germany1667 Posts
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cyclone25
Romania3344 Posts
On April 16 2010 05:12 Enox wrote: at least they wont start the game before Day is back let's hope so | ||
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zurg
1923 Posts
On April 16 2010 05:11 cronican wrote: I see a slideshow. same here | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/KWAb3.jpg) | ||
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h0munkulus
Austria1481 Posts
atm it says live but black and no sound... | ||
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Germany1667 Posts
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On April 16 2010 05:11 lolreaper wrote: whats your pojnt? broodlords were important and they would definatelly shift the outcome of final battle. my point is that there are no setbacks for terran in doing anything they please while any slightest error on zerg's part costs him the game. logically one would think Demu's insane build in the second game could at least somewhat match up with the setback zerg experiences once he fails to finish the terran with dimaga break. But. laik.. No. | ||
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United States9218 Posts
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Austria1481 Posts
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3nickma
Denmark1510 Posts
Hope they get it fixed or any other streams? | ||
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Irrelevant
United States2364 Posts
10vikings are cheaper than 6broodlords, and those 10 vikings weren't lost doing little to no damage, also they forced dimaga to spend even more getting corruptors to protect the remaining broodlords, also he sent his army of hydras to the edge of the high ground in attempt to save the BLs and lost a ton of them to MMM while doing no damage to the terran's force. | ||
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United States2364 Posts
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On April 16 2010 05:18 Irrelevant wrote: they were pretty massive errors in this case 10vikings are cheaper than 6broodlords, and those 10 vikings weren't lost doing little to no damage, also they forced dimaga to spend even more getting corruptors to protect the remaining broodlords, also he sent his army of hydras to the edge of the high ground in attempt to save the BLs and lost a ton of them to MMM while doing no damage to the terran's force. you're saying those hydras would make a difference?^^ and as i mentioned above dont forget that Demu's build one would think is extremely damaging to terran's economy. Alas, No. | ||
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Germany56 Posts
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Canada1785 Posts
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Korea (South)1556 Posts
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
It's much more stable. + Show Spoiler + Plus, Iphone users can watch the stream | ||
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3nickma
Denmark1510 Posts
On April 16 2010 05:25 Skeggaba wrote: Cast cancelled. Damn you livestream! Is this official?? Goddamnit! | ||
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h0munkulus
Austria1481 Posts
thx for info. god if there is some streaming solution that is better than lifestream day9 should change. even if it costs more im sure the comm will be happily donate some money if it's a big improvement. | ||
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DrainX
Sweden3187 Posts
Alternative stream. | ||
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United Kingdom804 Posts
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On April 16 2010 05:27 HazMat wrote: Starcraft needs to switch the justin.tv It's much more stable. + Show Spoiler + Plus, Iphone users can watch the stream I concur. Not that my opinion on the matter means much. But I think of all the times I've casted on jtv I've had the site actually give me problems twice? | ||
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3nickma
Denmark1510 Posts
On April 16 2010 05:27 HazMat wrote: Starcraft needs to switch the justin.tv It's much more stable. + Show Spoiler + Plus, Iphone users can watch the stream Seriously Justin.tv works on the iPhone?? Nice switch immediatly so I can watch it there too if needed | ||
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lolreaper
301 Posts
On April 16 2010 05:23 Chucky wrote: @h0munkulus: GameSports.de (German), Millenium (French) and Goodgame.ru (Russian) will stream are streaming the game. And hopefully ofc Day[9] in English when Livestream recovers. direct links please ;/ | ||
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Canada5565 Posts
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Austria1481 Posts
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Day[9]
United States7366 Posts
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Martijn
Netherlands1219 Posts
On April 16 2010 05:18 3nickma wrote: Damn this sucks. Is it LiveStream? The glhf.tv guys said something about it being so bad. Hope they get it fixed or any other streams? Yeah guys, I know some people have been calling us "livestream haters" and stuff, but I'm sorry. When things like this happen.. Also I'd like to apologize for not having the alternate stream up.. I was actually hoping to watch day[9] myself :S | ||
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Latham
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On April 16 2010 05:30 Xxio wrote: Is DeMuslim up 1 game? saw him win 2 so... | ||
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Warrior Madness
Canada3791 Posts
On April 16 2010 05:27 HazMat wrote: Starcraft needs to switch the justin.tv It's much more stable. + Show Spoiler + Plus, Iphone users can watch the stream my mind is blown.... | ||
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cuppatea
United Kingdom1401 Posts
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lolreaper
301 Posts
doesnt work for me omg ;/ | ||
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PeterDoe
United Kingdom53 Posts
seems fine? TvP right now ,? im not very sure | ||
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Thrill
2599 Posts
On April 16 2010 05:30 Day[9] wrote: hey guys, sorry to get you all pumped up, but livestream isn't functioning properly today. I'm literally on the phone w/ the tech people as we speak. They're seriously concerned that I can't connect so that's "sorta" cool. Either way, I'm pissed as fuck that livestream crapped out on me. Don't worry about letting anyone down, you haven't. Not your fault but it's great that you have access to some form of personal contact with livestream, hope they fix their shit :> | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On April 16 2010 05:21 Sfydjklm wrote: you're saying those hydras would make a difference?^^ and as i mentioned above dont forget that Demu's build one would think is extremely damaging to terran's economy. Alas, No. In fairless Sfydjklm, Dimaga did delay his third and a lot economy//units pumping to get fast infestation pit (without infestors), hive, spire, greater spire, and a lot of broodlords. (He still had an amazing economy but that's because dimaga is fucking awesome) Whatever advantage he GAINED from defending the starport-before-depot build was lost when DeM was muling off 2 OC's when Dimaga was rushing to broodlords. 10 Vikings was nothing compared to the what? 8-10 broodlords total made in the game, and the did almost no damage, also all the extra corruptors as mentioned before. Dimaga could have been maxed on hydra roach infestor by the time he was losing all his broodlords. I think it was a suprise move and the banshee harass scouted it. No saying dimaga was wrong to go broodlords, sure they're great but if they do NO damage at all thats like just making 10 ultras and giving them away for nothing. Also Demuslims feint was INSANE for vs broodlords which are so slow. | ||
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Norway85 Posts
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lolreaper
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United States241 Posts
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Austria1481 Posts
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rauk
United States2228 Posts
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Rho_
United States971 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + 2-0 Demuslim wins | ||
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h0munkulus
Austria1481 Posts
On April 16 2010 05:44 rauk wrote: i think you call that a "secret expo" of course that was the idea. doesn't change the fact that it's stupid. just makes no sense if you look at "risk-reward"... | ||
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United Kingdom1401 Posts
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rauk
United States2228 Posts
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Romania3344 Posts
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
On April 16 2010 05:54 rauk wrote: why's it stupid? demuslim scans, sees no expo, expects that hasu is going all-in 3warp robo or whatever and prepares accordingly when hasu is actually macroing. i will agree that taking the natural of 12 o'clock was a bad idea though. I think you're over analyzing HasuObs play a little. demuslim expanded with 3 bunkers, it's not likely he's going to invest more into static D if he thinks his opponent is doing a robo all in. Hasu probably just didn't want his expansion getting cliffed even though positionally it was unlikely to happen. Expanding to another main isn't as big a deal as it was in sc, the maps are smaller, the need to transfer the perfect amount of probes is not there, you can warp to your expo if you want etc. He just played too aggressive and lost. A lot of players still do this | ||
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Netherlands1219 Posts
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Julmust
Sweden4867 Posts
On April 16 2010 06:03 Martijn wrote: I don't pretend to speak for day9, but he's on the phone with livestream support right now. He's probably rather ticked off with them at the moment, I'm sure he'll let everyone know when he'll be covering the replays as soon as possible. he mentioned that he had some guy from livestream.com actually watching the stream while he was broadcasting to diagnose the problems. and considering how much traffic that site gets from starcraft I'd say they're eager to solve the problem. he also said that he was not angry at livestream, that he had been in contact with their support all day yesterday and he said they were really kind and really was trying to help him with his problems. | ||
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Martijn
Netherlands1219 Posts
On April 16 2010 06:08 Julmust wrote: he also said that he was not angry at livestream, that he had been in contact with their support all day yesterday and he said they were really kind and really was trying to help him with his problems. On April 16 2010 05:30 Day[9] wrote: Either way, I'm pissed as fuck that livestream crapped out on me. Not that it matters, they're doing their best, he's doing his best. It's a best-effort service. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On April 16 2010 05:28 3nickma wrote: Seriously Justin.tv works on the iPhone?? Nice switch immediatly so I can watch it there too if needed Yeah, download the Justin.tv app. | ||
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Germany10157 Posts
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sur_reaL
Canada278 Posts
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Julmust
Sweden4867 Posts
On April 16 2010 07:10 sur_reaL wrote: justin.tv only allows a certain amount of people per country viewing on a stream unless you have $$$ exactly, and that fucking sucks | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
O_o ok well thats retarded weird though that I've heard problems from europe then, sounds like the US would be the country with the most problems | ||
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Sweden1126 Posts
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Norway1505 Posts
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Martijn
Netherlands1219 Posts
April 16 19:30 CEST, 1:30pm EDT, Strelok vs Nazgul April 16 20:00 CEST, 2:00pm EDT, DeMusliM vs Jinro April 16 21:00 CEST, 3:00pm EDT, Ret vs Nazgul I'm pretty sure the matches will overlap. I guess the best option is to cover the first and third game. Unfortunate though, I'd love to cast some TvT, especially these two. On the other hand Strelok never seems to fail to impress. What do you think we'll see from him? Thor drop play? Banshee harass? Maybe he'll pull out an early Reaper depending on the map? Strelok always seems to play ruthlessly, playing to win and punishing everything mistake. If you don't scout him again and again, you'll have lost in no time. Nazgul on the other hand excels at the opposite, he's been playing by the book and shows us why standard is considered "standard". Namely because in the hands of a strong player, standard becomes monstrous. Playing against him must be like battling quicksand, he replies correctly to your every move and you get caught up in his pace sinking away more and more. He seems to be favoring sentries highly in PvP and PvZ, how would those hold up in PvT though.. Especially with more mech heavy builds lately and T's harassment options that aren't stopped by ramps. Maybe he'll opt to strike first? If we'd have to describe the match-up in that outrageous Korean terminology, it would have to be.. The Terran Trickster vs The Protoss Bible! Ret vs Nazgul on the other hand. Ret is considered the best Dutch sc player by many, but how has he been holding up in sc2? Has he been practicing as heavily as some of these other players. He was knocked out in the quarter finals of the Steelseries Bescene Benelux only tournament, Nazgul took revenge for the Dutch crowd by destroying the player that beat Ret in the finals and won the tournament. Can we say that puts the definitive Dutch sc gosu Ret in an underdog position vs Nazgul in sc2? Or will he show us he's on top of the recently rapidly evolving and changing zerg play. That's how I see the games with my limited game-sense in any case. | ||
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Ghardo
Germany1685 Posts
i'm not sure how much motivation ret got to train and belong to the absolute top players in sc2; naz mentioned he might have some kind of rts burn out after korea and as he has not found the passion for sc2 that he got for sc1 yet i'm not sure he has the best chances. only judged by (recent) performance i would say demuslim >> jinro, but jinro sometimes has really cute builds that might surprise in this match up. strelok was 2:0'ed by socke in the nations war so tvp might not be his top match up... i'm excited. | ||
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Netherlands1219 Posts
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Ganondorf
Italy600 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + noticed that Demuslim did the 4-rax FE in the first game and a cheesy 6rax/refinery in the second, which were strats suggested on this forum, it seems he liked them after all, and they worked :D I think that's how TvP is to be played. Hasuobs didn't counter the FE with colossi in the first game on lt and did a 13 (or 14?) gateway on steppes of war, something protoss will not get away with anymore. I wonder what demuslim thinks now of TvP, if it's still broken or it just needs some minor adjustements. | ||
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United Kingdom401 Posts
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Ganondorf
Italy600 Posts
On April 16 2010 23:58 DeMusliM wrote: it's still broke Well i like how you played but i understand that doing a 6rax means you didn't have much faith in a standard build working on that map, it's been quite some time without a patch, there should be one pretty soon. | ||
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h0munkulus
Austria1481 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + i just don't buy the whole TvP is "broke" thing... it's just the fancy thing to say atm... which change exactly "broke" TvP? the talk started with patch8 but if you look at the changes i can only accept 2 explanations. TvP was broken since the start or patch6 broke TvP. and if it was patch6 why did it take 3 weeks for players to realise this and who says it won't be the other way around 3 weeks from now. i much rather think that small maps favor P in general and it's more a map issue than a race balance issue. some maps (steppes, metal close positions, etc.) just feature ultra-short distances and this causes all kinds of balance issues... todays matches should be interesting. who will stream today? | ||
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Canada311 Posts
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Gont
Germany239 Posts
On April 17 2010 01:11 h0munkulus wrote: tvp: + Show Spoiler + i just don't buy the whole TvP is "broke" thing... it's just the fancy thing to say atm... which change exactly "broke" TvP? the talk started with patch8 but if you look at the changes i can only accept 2 explanations. TvP was broken since the start or patch6 broke TvP. and if it was patch6 why did it take 3 weeks for players to realise this and who says it won't be the other way around 3 weeks from now. i much rather think that small maps favor P in general and it's more a map issue than a race balance issue. some maps (steppes, metal close positions, etc.) just feature ultra-short distances and this causes all kinds of balance issues... todays matches should be interesting. who will stream today? i think day9 will cast... source: http://razer.cups.gamesports.net/live | ||
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Martijn
Netherlands1219 Posts
Regardless, we'll be doing our best to cast Strelok vs Nazgul and Ret vs Nazgul today. We'll do some Craftcup coverage surrounding those matches depending on what's available match wise. Oh, over at http://www.glhf.tv of course. | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10301 Posts
April 16 20:00 CEST DeMusliM Jinro (½ hour later ;O) April 16 21:00 CEST Ret Nazgul(1 hour later xD) http://www.glhf.tv/ good luck, have fun & båk båk | ||
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cyclone25
Romania3344 Posts
On April 17 2010 01:27 Gont wrote: i think day9 will cast... source: http://razer.cups.gamesports.net/live you have a bad source. | ||
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Jonteman
Sweden644 Posts
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Enox
Germany1667 Posts
but glhf.tv is online and game not started yet | ||
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Jonteman
Sweden644 Posts
I dont want to listen to glhf. gogo nazgul, tl pride! | ||
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DrainX
Sweden3187 Posts
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SmoKim
Denmark10301 Posts
GJ Nazgul! you go girl!!! | ||
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Belgium73 Posts
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Razor[cF]
United States46 Posts
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lolreaper
301 Posts
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UltraVires
United States241 Posts
On April 17 2010 02:57 DrainX wrote: Anyone going to cast Jinro vs Demuslim? Yes, millenium is streaming this game right now. Anyone know who won the first? It looks like demuslim is playing toss? huh? I thought he played T or am I confused? | ||
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United States6344 Posts
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DeMusliM
United Kingdom401 Posts
so i played random and lost 1-2 - have an important match coming up vs lucifron soon so didn't wanna play tvt and disclose any strats - and jinro didn't want to play offrace either. - Don't really mind - but don't take those games seriously . | ||
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Enox
Germany1667 Posts
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DeMusliM
United Kingdom401 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
So I don't want to "waste" a tournament game experience, when I can use it to improve my nerves (or whatever it is exactly, all I know is I play a lot worse whenever a game is "real", not as bad as I once did but still not as good as I could). Total time for the series was probably less than 30 minutes so not exactly super serious games as Demu said. | ||
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cyclone25
Romania3344 Posts
On April 17 2010 03:36 DeMusliM wrote: didn't wanna play, asked for PP, or defwin for jinro (me winning or losing wouldn't change the results of the group at all) and been in and out of hospital past week so i played random and lost 1-2 - have an important match coming up vs lucifron soon so didn't wanna play tvt and disclose any strats - and jinro didn't want to play offrace either. - Don't really mind - but don't take those games seriously .E-sports won't go far with players like you. It's very unprofessional to throw a match like that, plus there were alot of viewers watching you lose by playing offrace... And stop being so full of excuses every time you lose. | ||
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UltraVires
United States241 Posts
On April 17 2010 03:36 DeMusliM wrote: didn't wanna play, asked for PP, or defwin for jinro (me winning or losing wouldn't change the results of the group at all) and been in and out of hospital past week so i played random and lost 1-2 - have an important match coming up vs lucifron soon so didn't wanna play tvt and disclose any strats - and jinro didn't want to play offrace either. - Don't really mind - but don't take those games seriously .That's interesting, but won't you be playing TvT against raven in the gosucup quarters anyway? | ||
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DeMusliM
United Kingdom401 Posts
As for the poster Cyclone25 - i hope you don't continue to troll on sc2 websites also. I write on this forum to inform people/discuss with people anything related to sc2. If i'm to play a game that means something then of course feeling under the weather or not i'll do it - this game vs jinro didn't change results in our group at all, a win or loss for either one of us and the results would of stayed the same. I have an important game coming up in another tournament of tvt - and i don't want to reveal any more gameplay of mine even in the slightest, be that unprofessional, i don't think so, and trust me - with players that are willing to voice themselves and actually show they have some personality/thought behind their actions are what makes e-sports grow, not stump its growth. | ||
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Julmust
Sweden4867 Posts
On April 17 2010 03:47 cyclone25 wrote: E-sports won't go far with players like you. It's very unprofessional to throw a match like that, plus there were alot of viewers watching you lose by playing offrace... And stop being so full of excuses every time you lose. Ofc he didn't want to disclose any strategies, same thing happens all the time in BW. Have you seriously never heard of a sports team that has lost a game in a tournament to play mindgames with their opponents? I fully understand demuslims descision. He came on here to explain why he did what he did, or else he'd get 10'000 PMs asking him that exact question. edit: also it did not change ANYTHING in the group. The winner between Dimaga and HasuObs still takes 2nd place. So please stop whining | ||
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3nickma
Denmark1510 Posts
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PanzerDragoon
United States822 Posts
Resting starters in preparation for the playoffs? Sure. I guess the DeMuslim thing is comparable, so I don't really mind. | ||
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DeMusliM
United Kingdom401 Posts
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UltraVires
United States241 Posts
On April 17 2010 04:03 3nickma wrote: So ret vs. nazgul now? Any English streams? Yes, glhf.tv is streaming it. Ret just dc'd and prob lost by default game2 should be up soon. edit: looks like they are replaying g1 :D | ||
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ondik
Czech Republic2908 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On April 17 2010 04:09 UltraVires wrote: Yes, glhf.tv is streaming it. Ret just dc'd and prob lost by default game2 should be up soon. no reason to take the win there, nothing happened yet | ||
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Sonic300
89 Posts
but very mannered. and great for us viewers. thx | ||
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cyclone25
Romania3344 Posts
On April 17 2010 04:04 DeMusliM wrote: Thankyou Julmust for understanding - Cyclone25 was a pretty big troll on most of the wc3 websites, so i wouldn't take anything he says too seriously - or a admin should ban him. The other website where I post is gosugamers, and I'm not trolling. Don't lie. I said something similar to you, when you played vs DowaQ in starswar qualifiers, and after you lost, instead of a simple "gg", you said smth like "sc2 is out for 2 days and is already more balanced, cu guys in sc2". Again excuses from you ... And what sucks is that if you won vs Jinro by offracing, how would that look for him?? But if you lose, it doesn't matter because you didn't care. At least notice us next time you plan to play offrace and lose the game, so it won't be a waste of time for viewers. Thanks. | ||
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lolreaper
301 Posts
On April 17 2010 04:11 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: no reason to take the win there, nothing happened yet ye you just delayed his expo for over 1min | ||
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3nickma
Denmark1510 Posts
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ondik
Czech Republic2908 Posts
great sentries usage | ||
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cyclone25
Romania3344 Posts
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Pekkz
Norway1505 Posts
On April 17 2010 04:38 cyclone25 wrote: ret played his last 1vs1 game 5 days ago if you check his account. I'm not sure what plans he has with sc2. Think its abit stupid if he doesnt play and practice and then take up valueable slots in invite tournys that others would die for. | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10301 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On April 17 2010 04:46 SmoKim wrote: Any info on Mondragons matches? they are still "tba", anything you know Nazgul? We were scheduled for monday but he had unexpected stuff at university going on and didn't manage to make it. Since then we have not had the chance to find a date that suits us both. I suspect we might just have to play it unannounced when we find a time we're both online at. | ||
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Erucious
Norway393 Posts
Not like he "gave up" because someone paid him 10k USD :p | ||
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cyclone25
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Hens
Germany288 Posts
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cyclone25
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zerotol
Belgium508 Posts
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Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4511 Posts
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Chucky
Germany56 Posts
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Enox
Germany1667 Posts
nvm info 1 post above :D | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On April 18 2010 20:31 ret wrote: my internet was down T.T T_T ahh thats too bad, couldnt they have postponed it | ||
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Chucky
Germany56 Posts
TLO vs. Kolll Lucifron vs. Brat_OK Streamers are glhf and SC2tv yet. First match starting in about a hour =) | ||
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PeterDoe
United Kingdom53 Posts
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SmoKim
Denmark10301 Posts
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/thegunrun GG and gl!! | ||
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h0munkulus
Austria1481 Posts
what a fucking amazing game from TLO... infestors are so fucking strong when handled right... amazing... | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
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Puosu
6984 Posts
WHAT HOW ARE YOU SO GOOD that was an absolutely amazing comeback, congratulations TLO. | ||
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Crissaegrim
2947 Posts
WATCH IT NOW! | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10301 Posts
FFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUU TLO you are..... sorry i am lost for words, that was the most f-ing insane ZvZ i have ever heard, how did he win o_0 damn im shacking!!! TLO Bonjwa | ||
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Gescom
Canada3341 Posts
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Enox
Germany1667 Posts
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TieN.nS)
United States2131 Posts
At least it's on VOD now though. | ||
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DeMusliM
United Kingdom401 Posts
WP TLO | ||
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h0munkulus
Austria1481 Posts
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eNoq
Netherlands502 Posts
On April 20 2010 03:04 Enox wrote: that game was so sick... day9 MUST review it in a daily this | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
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Pyrthas
United States3196 Posts
Edit: And yeah day should totally do the rep. And he needs to catch kolll's final attempt to maynard probes to his high yield. | ||
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Liquid`HayprO
Iraq1230 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
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h0munkulus
Austria1481 Posts
and i will never understand how players sometimes just ignore free kills... he would have only gained from killing brat_ok's factory early... | ||
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frumplejoon
United States129 Posts
luci probably drunk after beating demuslim yesteryday D= | ||
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Sandrosuperstar
Sweden525 Posts
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cuppatea
United Kingdom1401 Posts
On April 20 2010 04:57 Sandrosuperstar wrote: where can i find the vod of tlo vs koll? :/ http://www.ustream.tv/user/TheGunrun Click on "archived videos." | ||
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Synwave
United States2803 Posts
Other than that nitpick it was really interesting to watch! + Show Spoiler + I can't wait to get home and practice infestor harass of workers, I'd thought about it before but never realized how effective it could be if used at certain times | ||
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Chanted
Norway1001 Posts
On April 20 2010 04:57 Sandrosuperstar wrote: where can i find the vod of tlo vs koll? :/ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=119948¤tpage=2 | ||
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Squeegy
Finland1166 Posts
On April 20 2010 04:29 frumplejoon wrote: + Show Spoiler + luci probably drunk after beating demuslim yesteryday D= Nah, Brat's just that good. | ||
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Jaydden
Germany11 Posts
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guitarizt
United States1492 Posts
I felt like the third game was koll's to lose not tlo's to win. | ||
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Synwave
United States2803 Posts
On April 20 2010 06:55 guitarizt wrote: + Show Spoiler + I felt like the third game was koll's to lose not tlo's to win. + Show Spoiler + He definitely tossed it away by not responding to the change in play but props to tlo in showing that thinking out of the box on a zvz can get you back into it. I mean the way he used spine crawlers to tank damage on his pushes was awesome. Sure they didnt do much damage but they were super hp tanks! Infestor use was awesome but Im rather surprised no one has commented on the use of 'ticklers' as hp tanks. | ||
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frumplejoon
United States129 Posts
has he been in other sc2 tournys? his play looked real good and would like to see more | ||
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sub-standard
Australia19 Posts
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Chucky
Germany56 Posts
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Warrior Madness
Canada3791 Posts
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lolreaper
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On April 21 2010 01:02 Warrior Madness wrote: Koll vs Brat_Ok in an hour. EU battlenet doesnt work since yesterday i doubt they will play | ||
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Warrior Madness
Canada3791 Posts
On April 21 2010 01:08 lolreaper wrote: EU battlenet doesnt work since yesterday i doubt they will play Aw crap ): | ||
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Enox
Germany1667 Posts
On April 21 2010 01:08 lolreaper wrote: EU battlenet doesnt work since yesterday i doubt they will play not sure where you got that from but its not true. i just logged in to test it ~10k players online playing ~4k games atm | ||
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lolreaper
301 Posts
On April 21 2010 01:13 Enox wrote: not sure where you got that from but its not true. i just logged in to test it ~10k players online playing ~4k games atm i have a beta and cant login like poeple from this topic http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=120424¤tpage=5 | ||
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Enox
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cyclone25
Romania3344 Posts
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Warrior Madness
Canada3791 Posts
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/thegunrun | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10301 Posts
1-0 for BRAT_ok | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
Bratok 2:0 Kolll | ||
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Puosu
6984 Posts
Kolll seems to be so outclassed in nearly every game I've seen of him so far, kinda sad to see that seeing as how talented he seemed in BW. Maybe he just has decided not to take the beta as seriously yet. | ||
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Liquid`Sheth
United States2095 Posts
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
On April 21 2010 02:55 Sheth wrote: Wow Jyvblamo, thx for ruining it for me at least. You should expect spoilers if you read the tourney thread. This is a well established standard on this board o_O. | ||
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Liquid`Sheth
United States2095 Posts
My 2c | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
On April 21 2010 03:07 Sheth wrote: Jyvblamo, you can expect spoilers to be in a spoiler thread. Thats why there spoilers. If you read other tourney threads, the nice posters will post the results in Spoiler tags. Its common sense not to post the complete scores for a tournament with VODS in a post. You can post it for the ppl who havn't seen it yet, but its just BM to do what you did. My 2c Except, this is a thread in the tournament section, where people discuss results of tournaments. I mean, it would be BM for me to post the results in a thread from the Strategy forum or wherever, but I think it's just common sense that there will be spoilers in the tournament thread. And in my experience here, posts in tournament threads don't generally have spoiler tags. | ||
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Liquid`Sheth
United States2095 Posts
Except, this is a thread in the tournament section, where people discuss results of tournaments. If you read threads in this tournament section, you SPOILER the results. I'm sick of telling you this nicely. For MSL, OSL, and TSL for instance, theres ALWAYS a spoiler before the results are given out. There is a reason for this. Your just to dense to realize that your wrong. + Show Spoiler + Sorry =( | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
On April 21 2010 03:19 Sheth wrote: If you read threads in this tournament section, you SPOILER the results. I'm sick of telling you this nicely. For MSL, OSL, and TSL for instance, theres ALWAYS a spoiler before the results are given out. There is a reason for this. Your just to dense to realize that your wrong. + Show Spoiler + Sorry =( This is true of the opening post, but all the posts after it don't follow that convention. | ||
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Puosu
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Liquid`Sheth
United States2095 Posts
Common courtesy, Spoiler the results. Unless you have a thread that says clearly "Spoilers here" And yeah you can look for results here Puosu, but its just polite not to be like NAH you don't need to spoil that!!! Heres the results!! Like Jyv did. | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
On April 21 2010 03:24 Sheth wrote: When you can't find the link to the stream and are forced to look through posts for it and you see the results not in a spoiler tag.... Common courtesy, Spoiler the results. Unless you have a thread that says clearly "Spoilers here" And yeah you can look for results here Puosu, but its just polite not to be like NAH you don't need to spoil that!!! Heres the results!! Like Jyv did. I don't see why I should be made out as the villain here, spoilers are in every single tournament thread. I don't think it's reasonable to go into a tournament thread's latest pages looking for a stream link and not expect to see spoilers. In the case of this tournament though, the information is very disorganized, so I can't fault you. All the streams are listed on the Razer domination site: http://razer.cups.gamesports.net/live And usually glhf.tv will be streaming the games, and they are up on the featured streamers list. | ||
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Liquid`Sheth
United States2095 Posts
All in all its fine. it just ruined my anticipation for that match. Was rooting for Kolll.. I think.. Dunno now I'm not even gonna watch *Sigh* | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
Bleh, back on topic. White-ra vs Haypro starting on Steppes. | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10301 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + White-Ra looses 0-2 Edit: oh we don't use spoiler tags? fair enough HayprO 2-0 White-Ra | ||
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FiRewater
United States56 Posts
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ZaaaaaM
Netherlands1828 Posts
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SmoKim
Denmark10301 Posts
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Chanted
Norway1001 Posts
On April 21 2010 03:07 Sheth wrote: Jyvblamo, you can expect spoilers to be in a spoiler thread. Thats why there spoilers. If you read other tourney threads, the nice posters will post the results in Spoiler tags. Its common sense not to post the complete scores for a tournament with VODS in a post. You can post it for the ppl who havn't seen it yet, but its just BM to do what you did. My 2c All the vods posted here will be posted in this thread, which is updated fairly often, and in that thread you wont get spoiled. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=119948¤tpage=2 | ||
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Enox
Germany1667 Posts
On April 21 2010 19:12 SmoKim wrote: TLO vs Brat_Ok & White-Ra vs Naugrim tonight cant wait for TLO vs Brat_Ok ! bratok played sooo strong vs koll and luci.. i predict some awsome games | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
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Chillsen
Germany98 Posts
TLO <3 | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
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SmoKim
Denmark10301 Posts
IT'S ON!!! | ||
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h0munkulus
Austria1481 Posts
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Kiki
Germany59 Posts
On April 22 2010 02:11 h0munkulus wrote: got some serious lag issues with the stream today... ye, me too .( | ||
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Puosu
6984 Posts
edit: I've tried both of the links, they seem to be the same lagwise. | ||
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Enox
Germany1667 Posts
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Chillsen
Germany98 Posts
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/thegunrun/v3 it should work better edit: nevermind, the lags are back | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
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Ghardo
Germany1685 Posts
luv him | ||
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h0munkulus
Austria1481 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + TLO rocking the mothership xD | ||
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Jarvs
Australia639 Posts
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Puosu
6984 Posts
That was a great game, TLO is such an entertaining player. | ||
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Enox
Germany1667 Posts
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Alak
Sweden380 Posts
Edit: But could still stand some improvement. Keep studying the game and try to make it even better! | ||
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h0munkulus
Austria1481 Posts
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frumplejoon
United States129 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
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SmoKim
Denmark10301 Posts
Nazgul might me on to something: kids genious <3 | ||
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Mavkar
Germany592 Posts
And TLO was faster with the strike cannons. | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On April 22 2010 02:57 SmoKim wrote: how the fuck does he keep up playing so strong and creative? Nazgul might me on to something: kids genious <3 honestly it's underappreciated even with all the praises, people say random is easier in the beta cause creativity still rules, but theres 3 stages in the development of strategy games, the first one random is very very hard because you need to understand the strategy behind 3 races when everyone is still learning the strategies, second stage random is the best its when the strategies are known but the mechanics aren't perfect yet, third stage is when strategy is very far developed random becomes hard again because its difficult to have perfect mechanics on all races to perform with random in stages 1 or 3 is just incredible. performing with random is impressive in general but even moreso. | ||
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Loooui
Sweden348 Posts
nice to see!Can´t see him lose a bo5 to anyone now really. | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10301 Posts
On April 22 2010 03:03 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: honestly it's underappreciated even with all the praises, people say random is easier in the beta cause creativity still rules, but theres 3 stages in the development of strategy games, the first one random is very very hard because you need to understand the strategy behind 3 races when everyone is still learning the strategies, second stage random is the best its when the strategies are known but the mechanics aren't perfect yet, third stage is when strategy is very far developed random becomes hard again because its difficult to have perfect mechanics on all races to perform with random in stages 1 or 3 is just incredible. performing with random is impressive in general but even moreso. Indeed, i think everybody is hoping he can keep it up the further we get in the game Edit: bracket fixed | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
On April 22 2010 03:10 SmoKim wrote: Brat_OK 2:0 4:0 6 Liquid`TLO 1:0 2:1 3 Anyone with profile on the site who could tell them to fix that, would not want to scare people They just haven't updated it yet. I mean, the games just finished a few minutes ago. | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10301 Posts
On April 22 2010 03:19 Jyvblamo wrote: They just haven't updated it yet. I mean, the games just finished a few minutes ago. ah okay, didn't know that Brat_Ok already won 2 games, my bad. cheers | ||
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jacen
Austria3644 Posts
if yes, where? | ||
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creepcolony
Germany362 Posts
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Puosu
6984 Posts
On April 22 2010 03:28 jacen wrote: is whitra vs naugrim streamed? if yes, where? http://www.ustream.tv/channel/thegunrun/v3 Starting in a minute or two. =) | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + -He loads up Hey, I wonder if he had enough to strike cannon? -He loads back down -Ah though so! *Watching energy* 99, 100 *Bam* Dead thor~! | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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Little-Chimp
Canada948 Posts
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SmoKim
Denmark10301 Posts
April 22 19:00 CEST Liquid`TLO vs Lucifron April 22 20:30 CEST HayprO vs MorroW April 22 22:00 CEST MorroW vs Naugrim | ||
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Enox
Germany1667 Posts
currently, the group looks like this: # Player Win:Loss Mapwin:Maploss Points 1. Brat_OK 2:1 5:2 6 2. Liquid`TLO 2:0 4:2 6 3. Lucifron 0:1 0:2 0 4. Kolll 0:2 1:4 0 (edit: http://razer.cups.gamesports.net/ for a pretty overview of the group/games) Luci has still 2 games to play. Today vs TLO and tomorrow vs Koll. IF he wins both games 2:0 he actually would have 6 points with a map ratio of 4:2 and TLO would have a ratio of 4:4. that means luci would be #2 and advance to the next round. so luci still has a very slight chance to advance but as soon as he loses one map to TLO, hes out. if he wins 2:0 vs TLO, he could even lose 1 map to koll and still advance with a 2:1 win | ||
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United Kingdom804 Posts
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CruS
Sweden218 Posts
On April 22 2010 18:31 SmoKim wrote: just a heads up, 3 matches are played later today April 22 19:00 CEST Liquid`TLO vs Lucifron April 22 20:30 CEST HayprO vs MorroW April 22 22:00 CEST MorroW vs Naugrim are these casted somewhere? | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
atleast glhf.tv it seems. | ||
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Jaydden
Germany11 Posts
i will do a german stream which will be found here: http://razer.cups.gamesports.net/live/gamesports_de also the guys from glhf.tv will be streaming in english as far as i know http://razer.cups.gamesports.net/live/glhftv | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10301 Posts
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/thegunrun/v3 | ||
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United States22883 Posts
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UltraVires
United States241 Posts
On April 22 2010 18:49 Enox wrote: wow, just realsised that there could come up a very interesting situation in group D. currently, the group looks like this: # Player Win:Loss Mapwin:Maploss Points 1. Brat_OK 2:1 5:2 6 2. Liquid`TLO 2:0 4:2 6 3. Lucifron 0:1 0:2 0 4. Kolll 0:2 1:4 0 (edit: http://razer.cups.gamesports.net/ for a pretty overview of the group/games) Luci has still 2 games to play. Today vs TLO and tomorrow vs Koll. IF he wins both games 2:0 he actually would have 6 points with a map ratio of 4:2 and TLO would have a ratio of 4:4. that means luci would be #2 and advance to the next round. so luci still has a very slight chance to advance but as soon as he loses one map to TLO, hes out. if he wins 2:0 vs TLO, he could even lose 1 map to koll and still advance with a 2:1 win + Show Spoiler + Lucifron beat TLO 2:0. Luci's marauder timing was just too perfect for TLO to handle. Kolll doesnt stand a chance against Luci so it looks like TLO will not be advancing after all Still, go Kolll! lol. | ||
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United States129 Posts
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SmoKim
Denmark10301 Posts
White-rA vs TheLittleOne showmatchcasted by Day[9]! ( 30 minutes ) Ultravires:+ Show Spoiler + its all up to Koll now, but yes, disapointing games, oh well moving on | ||
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Enox
Germany1667 Posts
On April 23 2010 02:30 UltraVires wrote: + Show Spoiler + Lucifron beat TLO 2:0. Luci's marauder timing was just too perfect for TLO to handle. Kolll doesnt stand a chance against Luci so it looks like TLO will not be advancing after all Still, go Kolll! lol. + Show Spoiler + would be such a shame.. TLO only needed to win 1 map vs luci i hope we see some miracle happen and kolll wins | ||
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smore
United States156 Posts
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ludic123
Norway161 Posts
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ZaaaaaM
Netherlands1828 Posts
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Warrior Madness
Canada3791 Posts
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SmoKim
Denmark10301 Posts
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/thegunrun/v3 enjoy the matches MorroW vs White-Ra | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
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Rainmaker5
United States1027 Posts
On April 25 2010 02:17 Jyvblamo wrote: Any alternate streams? glhf.tv is a blackscreen for lots of people. Yeah, I can't get the stream to work either. | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
1:0 White-RA, not close game | ||
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lolreaper
301 Posts
stream is unwatchable for me ;/ | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10301 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Awesome comeback by Morrow, everybody thought he had lost, final game is about to start | ||
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MekZ
Germany5 Posts
n1 play by morrow 1-1 | ||
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + pp to tomorrow^^ | ||
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Pekkz
Norway1505 Posts
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pred470r
Bulgaria3265 Posts
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MagicUnicorn
Belgium47 Posts
thegunruns game are especially hard to find with names like hdasdaf and asdasdass ^^ | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10301 Posts
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/thegunrun/v3 Update: its Zotac, ignore this post | ||
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Enox
Germany1667 Posts
not a good decission imo | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
On April 26 2010 07:49 Enox wrote: so group stage is done now and they decided to let the first 2 of each group play vs each other? again? where is the sense in that? we saw those matchups during the group stage already not a good decission imoThat's not what they're doing. | ||
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Enox
Germany1667 Posts
did you check http://razer.cups.gamesports.net/ ? | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
Yes, did you? | ||
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Enox
Germany1667 Posts
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
On April 26 2010 08:03 Enox wrote: lol.. if you did, you see the matches there in the grid. nazgul vs whitera, demuslim vs luci and so on. its the first two of each group playing each other Look again. | ||
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Enox
Germany1667 Posts
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
On April 26 2010 08:05 Enox wrote: are you blind or just trying to be funny? you fail if its the second... Wait for it... + Show Spoiler + Nazgul and WhiteRa weren't in the same group. Demuslim and Lucifrom weren't in the same group. Haypro and Strelok weren't in the same group. Bratok and Dimaga weren't in the same group. | ||
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frumplejoon
United States129 Posts
can demuslim get his revenge? ^^; | ||
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Chucky
Germany56 Posts
We have composed two replay packs with all the matches of Matchday 1 and Matchday 2 included. You can find them at the brand new replay section over at Razer-Domination.com! Have fun watching We will of course update this page with the Replays of Matchday 3 and 4 of the Playoffs. Check the dates too on the mainpage, all four matches have already been scheduled. Cheers, Chucky | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10301 Posts
April 28 20:00 CEST Liquid`Nazgul vs White-Ra April 30 22:00 CEST DeMusliM vs Lucifron April 29 20:30 CEST HayprO vs Strelok April 30 20:00 CEST Brat_OK vs DIMAGA Hopefully someone will bump and give info when stream is up(pretty sure GLHF.tv are casting it) Thanks for the replays Chucky your the man <3 | ||
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pR0gR4m3R
Spain1446 Posts
On April 26 2010 09 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 26 2010 09 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:12 frumplejoon wrote: those are some mean quarterfinal matchups, lots of terran can demuslim get his revenge? ^^; No way. Lucifron ftwwwwww | ||
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zTz
United States476 Posts
GRats | ||
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Ghardo
Germany1685 Posts
german stream http://starcraft.gamesports.net/live/ | ||
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Canada13788 Posts
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Ghardo
Germany1685 Posts
from then on it looked more or less like rally point to the front and macro up till haypro's defense breaks | ||
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zerotol
Belgium508 Posts
Only one German stream, where is glhf.tv or millenium? | ||
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United States1518 Posts
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2BearqLoza
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Was GunRun casting? | ||
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Germany98 Posts
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United States9218 Posts
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Khalleb
Canada1909 Posts
so nazgul is the last protoss GL to him and bring back the title for the protoss pride | ||
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Portugal4220 Posts
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Ghardo
Germany1685 Posts
http://starcraft.gamesports.net/live/ first series starts in 5 minutes: Brat_OK vs DIMAGA and two hours later Demuslim vs Lucifron have fun! | ||
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DeMusliM
United Kingdom401 Posts
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brrrtmn
Russian Federation154 Posts
http://www.goodgame.ru/news.php?ocd=view&id=5788 streams Brat_OK vs DIMAGA | ||
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ZOTACvash
Germany3 Posts
afterwards we will have DeMusliM vs Lucifron at 22CEST | ||
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Enox
Germany1667 Posts
On May 01 2010 03:10 DeMusliM wrote: are there any streams for dimaga/brat in english? ^^ will you play protos again vs luci? or TvT? | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
On May 01 2010 03:10 DeMusliM wrote: are there any streams for dimaga/brat in english? ^^ There's the glhf.tv stream, but I can't really recommend them. Hopefully Day9 will be able to cast this tourney next week. Bleh, if Dimaga has creep tumors between his bases he could've fungal growthed the drop before it could get away. | ||
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PredY
Czech Republic1731 Posts
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brrrtmn
Russian Federation154 Posts
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rhap
Brazil136 Posts
2-2 now Cool games so far, they are really good. | ||
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Canada13788 Posts
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rhap
Brazil136 Posts
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United States699 Posts
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Enox
Germany1667 Posts
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frumplejoon
United States129 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + haha wow, both players' offrace protoss > main race terran and demuslim gets his revenge ^^; | ||
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AntiGrav1ty
Germany2310 Posts
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UltraVires
United States241 Posts
On May 01 2010 06:03 AntiGrav1ty wrote: Crazy third game. Yeah nice game indeed. Demu held his natural quite well -- i like his emergency barracks + bunker wall, but Lucifron's relentless attacks were just too much. I think Demu could have done much better if he had taken out the 5+ obs that were giving lucifron sight of everything. Edit: it's 2-2, going into 5th game now! His toss seems pretty strong lmao. I wonder what is behind his switch. Sad to see him playing a race other than terran. His terran play was so efficient and calculated. Edit #2: Now demu is playing toss and lucifron is back to terran... are they alternating? lmao what is going on here? Perhaps they decided that they do not want to play TvT? | ||
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Hold-Lurker
United States403 Posts
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AntiGrav1ty
Germany2310 Posts
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UltraVires
United States241 Posts
On May 01 2010 06:28 Hold-Lurker wrote: Haha, has the player playing protoss won every time? On May 01 2010 06:29 AntiGrav1ty wrote: Yep. Sad days for terran! | ||
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DeMusliM
United Kingdom401 Posts
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Enox
Germany1667 Posts
On May 01 2010 06:38 DeMusliM wrote: Don't really wanna whine too much about it - but their are quite a few things that DEFINETELY need changing :S - Voidrays/sentrys for sure. why did you chose random in game 3? | ||
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DeMusliM
United Kingdom401 Posts
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Enox
Germany1667 Posts
thought you are screwed if you would have gotten zerg | ||
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United States9218 Posts
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Canada13788 Posts
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MrWhopper
Spain12 Posts
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Warrior Madness
Canada3791 Posts
brat_ok Dimaga beat brat_ok | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
On May 02 2010 02:09 Warrior Madness wrote: Eh I don't get this. I thought this was a BO3 that+ Show Spoiler + brat_ok Dimaga beat brat_ok thegunrun only streamed the first three games of the BO5. | ||
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Rola
Chile27 Posts
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ClanOverdosed
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On April 11 2010 03:51 StoLiVe wrote: Omg this is so a nice rooster :O ret mondragon nazgul etc... i like roosters! but yeah I can wait WOOT | ||
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Warrior Madness
Canada3791 Posts
On May 02 2010 02:20 Jyvblamo wrote: thegunrun only streamed the first three games of the BO5. Oh... Thanks. That's kind of odd. I reckon no VODs will be available? I was a little disappointed when I thought that no zerg had made it through. | ||
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ZOTACLosemann
Germany14 Posts
03.05.2010 @ 20.00 CEST Strelok vs DIMAGA 04.05.2010 @ 18.00 CEST Nazgul vs DeMusliM | ||
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Chucky
Germany56 Posts
the replays of the third matchday are online from now on, available as usual here. I added Folders for anti spoiler this time, though I think most of you already now the results =) Cheers, Chucky | ||
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Tinithor
United States1552 Posts
On April 11 2010 03:51 StoLiVe wrote: Omg this is so a nice rooster :O ret mondragon nazgul etc... I agree, the rooster is amazing | ||
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Germany10157 Posts
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nikiforenko
China11 Posts
On May 02 2010 18:47 Chucky wrote: Hey guys, the replays of the third matchday are online from now on, available as usual here. I added Folders for anti spoiler this time, though I think most of you already now the results =) Cheers, Chucky waiting replays for a long time  | ||
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lolf
Bulgaria49 Posts
On May 02 2010 18 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 02 2010 18 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:47 Chucky wrote: Hey guys, the replays of the third matchday are online from now on, available as usual here. I added Folders for anti spoiler this time, though I think most of you already now the results =) Cheers, Chucky Thank you chuky. Hope you can figure things out with glhf and stream the semis in english. | ||
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Enox
Germany1667 Posts
2h 20min to go :D | ||
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PredY
Czech Republic1731 Posts
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Ghardo
Germany1685 Posts
will be available here in about ~40 minutes: http://starcraft.gamesports.net/live/ | ||
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rhap
Brazil136 Posts
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PredY
Czech Republic1731 Posts
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KobraKay
Portugal4220 Posts
On May 04 2010 04:24 PredY wrote: score? + Show Spoiler + Dimaga 3-0 Strelok | ||
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Hold-Lurker
United States403 Posts
Dimaga 3-0. I don't think any of the games were very close, but I was only catching parts of them. Edit: My recap from what I saw Game 1: Failed reaper harass (0 kills) into hellions with 2 banshees (scouted and stopped with mutas). GG after the banshees die. Game 2: Terran FE's to island with CC before rax, Dimaga baneling busts to kill almost all SCVs at main. Dimaga goes mutas, terran goes vikings but is contained in base - Dimaga takes map and wins with like some of every unit (muta/baneling/roach/hydra/infestor?) Game 3: Not sure what happened, caught the end where terran attacks zerg with a handful of hellions/vikings/thor/scvs, zerg defends with zerglings/neural parasite on thor. GG after attack fails. | ||
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Mylin
Sweden177 Posts
Strelok played pretty poorly considering the level =( | ||
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United States403 Posts
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theqat
United States2856 Posts
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UltraVires
United States241 Posts
On May 05 2010 00:58 theqat wrote: Looks like glhf.tv will have nazgul vs. demuslim in 3 mins or so Yup; let's go naz! | ||
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Chillsen
Germany98 Posts
The german one works fine. | ||
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theqat
United States2856 Posts
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shinosai
United States1577 Posts
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United States388 Posts
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shinosai
United States1577 Posts
On May 05 2010 01:50 FrozenArbiter wrote: Did naz win game 2? The Glhf stream died so I switched to the german one, but then the game had ended + Show Spoiler + He lost pretty badly. Chased demuslims army into a choke and got it forcefielded and lost everything. | ||
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Germany18839 Posts
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UltraVires
United States241 Posts
On May 05 2010 02:02 G.s)NarutO wrote: So its PvP? TvP g1, PvP g2, back to TvP g3 | ||
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
even the commentators said the games were boring xD | ||
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Norway1505 Posts
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Netherlands1542 Posts
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SmoKim
Denmark10301 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + 3-1 for Demuslim, well played by him, altough im sad to see Naz go :-/ oh well, GG! the finals are gonna be epic <3 | ||
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France631 Posts
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shinosai
United States1577 Posts
Ironic that nazgul loses every protoss mirror versus demuslim who is primarily a terran player.... just after he destroyed whitera 3-0. | ||
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Norway1505 Posts
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Canada5565 Posts
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Chucky
Germany56 Posts
You will find the exact dates on Razer-Domination.com as soon as they're public. If you want we can announce it here as well. The replays of the semifinals are available btw on Razer-Domination.com | ||
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Sweden2541 Posts
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rhap
Brazil136 Posts
DeMusliM vs DIMAGA May 07 22:30 CEST 3rd Place Decider Liquid`Nazgul vs Strelok May 07 20:30 CEST http://razer.cups.gamesports.net/ Place your bets! Next friday is going to be a nice day to buy some beer and pringles :D | ||
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Enox
Germany1667 Posts
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
You heard it here first^^ | ||
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Enox
Germany1667 Posts
On May 06 2010 01:19 Sfydjklm wrote: demu picks p and pwns dimaga 4-0. You heard it here first^^ i bet against it he only picks toss vs other toss players. vs zerg im pretty sure he will chose terran each game | ||
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theqat
United States2856 Posts
Will the grand finals be BO5 or 7? Nevermind, found it myself--BO5 | ||
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GIMJ
Canada46 Posts
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theqat
United States2856 Posts
On May 06 2010 04:45 GIMJ wrote: if you look at blizzard's stats that they gave out on the deveoper chat the only slightly imbalance machup is protoss vs terran which the protoss wins 54 percent of the time to terrans 46. All of the rest are are 51 vs 49. The facts that 1) we've had a balance patch at least once every two weeks, 2) Protoss won every tournament in the last week (ZOTAC, ITC, ITL, Razer where Demuslim picked P, HuK 14-0 in Triple Strike, tester[gm] no-loss sweep of Gosucoaching), and 3) Force Field is extremely overpowered lead me to believe there will be a patch Also, win %s from Blizzard are just statistics. They don't tell you what is or isn't balanced | ||
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Pekkz
Norway1505 Posts
On May 06 2010 04:51 theqat wrote: The facts that 1) we've had a balance patch at least once every two weeks, 2) Protoss won every tournament in the last week (ZOTAC, ITC, ITL, Razer where Demuslim picked P, HuK 14-0 in Triple Strike, tester[gm] no-loss sweep of Gosucoaching), and 3) Force Field is extremely overpowered lead me to believe there will be a patch Also, win %s from Blizzard are just statistics. They don't tell you what is or isn't balancedThe truth. Sad those who dont see the sentry imbalances. Its a caster with one of the best spells ingame AND good dps for very low cost. I think the problem is that protoss has too many options that are viable vs every unit combo of the other races. You basicly have to counter them very specificly, but they dont really have to mix up their tech that much depending on what you do | ||
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Canada1547 Posts
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towelie
Germany171 Posts
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On May 06 2010 04:51 theqat wrote: The facts that 1) we've had a balance patch at least once every two weeks, 2) Protoss won every tournament in the last week (ZOTAC, ITC, ITL, Razer where Demuslim picked P, HuK 14-0 in Triple Strike, tester[gm] no-loss sweep of Gosucoaching), and 3) Force Field is extremely overpowered lead me to believe there will be a patch Also, win %s from Blizzard are just statistics. They don't tell you what is or isn't balancedTs won both craftcups and now idra beat huk too? | ||
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theqat
United States2856 Posts
On May 06 2010 18:14 Sfydjklm wrote: Ts won both craftcups and now idra beat huk too? Well obviously Protoss isn't totally invincible but they're completely dominating overall. Also HuK has a bad CPU impairing him and losing only to Idra is no mean feat | ||
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ZOTACLosemann
Germany14 Posts
On May 06 2010 01 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 06 2010 01 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:19 Sfydjklm wrote: demu picks p and pwns dimaga 4-0. You heard it here first^^ i also bet against! as its bo5 :-) he he | ||
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Crissaegrim
2947 Posts
On May 07 2010 00:34 theqat wrote: Well obviously Protoss isn't totally invincible but they're completely dominating overall. Also HuK has a bad CPU impairing him and losing only to Idra is no mean feat HuK Norris does not have a bad CPU impairing him. If he wanted, he could change his CPU on-the-fly WHILE playing sc2. He just doesn't want to imbalance the game too much. | ||
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rhap
Brazil136 Posts
Edit: Ok, Jaydden is streaming it: http://starcraft.gamesports.net/live/ | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10301 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/userstream.php?user=Day[9] | ||
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zealing
Canada806 Posts
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PredY
Czech Republic1731 Posts
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
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WakaDoDo
Sweden1183 Posts
On May 08 2010 03:54 teamsolid wrote: Who won 1st match? + Show Spoiler + Strelok | ||
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PredY
Czech Republic1731 Posts
strelok | ||
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GG-Striker
Czech Republic112 Posts
Nazgul vs. Strelok | ||
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SkyTheUnknown
Germany2065 Posts
Strelok has won the first game. He did a proxy barrack Marauder push. Nazgul did some amazing defence with probes. But Strelok always was ahead by one or two units which resulted in a fast GG by Nazgul. | ||
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Germany18839 Posts
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
On May 08 2010 03:57 G.s)NarutO wrote: Stream down.. just for me? same | ||
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Norway85 Posts
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SkyTheUnknown
Germany2065 Posts
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Chriamon
United States886 Posts
http://razer.cups.gamesports.net/live for other streams | ||
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rhap
Brazil136 Posts
http://starcraft.gamesports.net/live/ | ||
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
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Enox
Germany1667 Posts
On May 08 2010 03:54 teamsolid wrote: Who won 1st match? + Show Spoiler + strelok won game 1 | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10301 Posts
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/day9tv for now.............. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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APurpleCow
United States1372 Posts
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cuppatea
United Kingdom1401 Posts
I play Protoss but forecfield is such bullshit. | ||
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daewdasd
Germany64 Posts
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
2nd game really made ff look broken | ||
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Norway1505 Posts
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PredY
Czech Republic1731 Posts
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goswser
United States3519 Posts
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SkyTheUnknown
Germany2065 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Nazgul exploits FF to the maximum in order to wall Streloks choke. Meanwhile he slams down a lot of gates and expands. At the major battle Nazgul has a huge amount of Immortals, even Streloks Ghosts with EMP can't turn the tide around. 1-1 | ||
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Finland33997 Posts
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lolreaper
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Canada161 Posts
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SkyTheUnknown
Germany2065 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + After a denied Bunker/Marauder rush from Strelok Nazgul does it again: FF at the enemys's choke. But Strelok comes up with a new solution, tanks, with them he is able to stop the FF's. Nevertheless Nazgul was able to expand in time and forces Strelok to do a push. With this push Nazgul's army gets utterly raped by Marauders/Tanks resulting into a 2-1 for Strelok. | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10301 Posts
game 1 + game 2 = game 3 xD | ||
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Chriamon
United States886 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + 3rd game showed how to deal with that | ||
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Snausages
United States529 Posts
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theqat
United States2856 Posts
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jonich0n
United States1982 Posts
holy crap epic storms | ||
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ShaperofDreams
Canada2492 Posts
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Spike
United States1392 Posts
Could have gone much better for Strelok with better EMPs. | ||
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cuppatea
United Kingdom1401 Posts
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SkyTheUnknown
Germany2065 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Amazing TvP with a good solution for early FF: fast ghosts with EMP and a bunker below your own choke. Much back and forth in the midgame and EMP vs PSI Storm battles. Awesome match with Nazgul as the winner: 2-2! | ||
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rhap
Brazil136 Posts
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Spidinko
Slovakia1174 Posts
Anyways, gogo Nazgul =) | ||
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Khalleb
Canada1909 Posts
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Sadistx
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
You lost 2 marauders trying to run away, whereas if you stayed and fought, you'd lose them also, but you'd kill at least 2 stalkers. Terrible terrible mismicro in game 5. | ||
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Poland5551 Posts
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SkyTheUnknown
Germany2065 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + 3-2 for Nazgul! Some nice stalker + blink action! | ||
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United States1577 Posts
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Denmark322 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
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United Kingdom401 Posts
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Canada2492 Posts
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theqat
United States2856 Posts
On May 08 2010 05:04 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: That must have been the nicest series I've played in SC2 :D Congrats! It was a pleasure to watch | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On May 08 2010 05:04 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: That must have been the nicest series I've played in SC2 :D haha :D felt great watching it, must have felt amaaaaazing for you definitely some excellent excellent play there! gee gee | ||
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rhap
Brazil136 Posts
Congrats to Nazgul. | ||
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United States406 Posts
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Canada1397 Posts
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Hold-Lurker
United States403 Posts
As an aside, would you recommend stalker/probe rather than zealot/sentry/probe vs early marauder like that? Or was it a map by map decision (no ramp vs ramp)? | ||
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Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
On May 08 2010 05:07 Hold-Lurker wrote: Congrats Nazgul! As an aside, would you recommend stalker/probe rather than zealot/sentry/probe vs early marauder like that? Or was it a map by map decision (no ramp vs ramp)? Zealot sentry is slow and will get outmicro'd on a map without a good force fieldable choke | ||
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France631 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
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On May 08 2010 05:07 Hold-Lurker wrote: Congrats Nazgul! As an aside, would you recommend stalker/probe rather than zealot/sentry/probe vs early marauder like that? Or was it a map by map decision (no ramp vs ramp)? I would never recommend zeal/sentry on a map with no choke against early marauder | ||
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United States241 Posts
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United States2230 Posts
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Canada3791 Posts
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Musli
Poland5130 Posts
Thanks guys (DAy[9] too!) for such a tight and exciting series. | ||
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rhap
Brazil136 Posts
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SmoKim
Denmark10301 Posts
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/day9tv Here to some EPIC games | ||
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cyclone25
Romania3344 Posts
Day[9] definitely missed it when he was describing Dimaga's style as of late. | ||
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Sweden5901 Posts
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Germany2065 Posts
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Romania3344 Posts
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Czech Republic1731 Posts
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Netherlands1542 Posts
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Netherlands2745 Posts
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Australia2320 Posts
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On May 08 2010 05:57 PredY wrote: just leave the fcking game ffs. respect the players Aye, this blows my mind. How much an asshole can a person be that they wont leave a game when they might be lagging? So they're "sure" it's not them... so the fuck what? If you're not playing or casting then just leave the game. Absolutely ridiculous. | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10301 Posts
pisses the shit out of me -,- so selffish, imo no observers in any game unless they stream, that was way to retarted + Show Spoiler + sorry for the rant, but it ruins everything for everyone T_T | ||
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Canada2492 Posts
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Sweden5901 Posts
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United States6960 Posts
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Harem
United States11390 Posts
On May 08 2010 05:57 PredY wrote: just leave the fcking game ffs. respect the players And now one of them is even flaming Demuslim? That's just unacceptable. -_- | ||
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Canada13788 Posts
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Australia2320 Posts
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cyclone25
Romania3344 Posts
On May 08 2010 06:07 Harem wrote: And now one of them is even flaming Demuslim? That's just unacceptable. -_- The game was still lagging when that obs left -> it means it wasn't him lagging = totally understandable to flame Demuslim cuz he asked him to leave! Anyway, Demuslim should have left the game from the first minute, not to try some all-in cheese and when it doesn't work complain about lag -.- Well deserved win by Dimaga imo ... he had lags too. ---------------------------------------- User was temporarily banned for this post. | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On May 08 2010 06:11 cyclone25 wrote: The game was still lagging when that obs left -> it means it wasn't him lagging = totally understandable to flame Demuslim cuz he asked him to leave! No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, and no. | ||
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Zed
Canada16 Posts
On May 08 2010 06:11 cyclone25 wrote: The game was still lagging when that obs left -> it means it wasn't him lagging = totally understandable to flame Demuslim cuz he asked him to leave! Anyway, Demuslim should have left the game from the first minute, not to try some all-in cheese and when it doesn't work complain about lag -.- Well deserved win by Dimaga imo ... he had lags too. I'm having a hard time trying to put into words just how wrong you are without flaming you. So.. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
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United States1865 Posts
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Hansel
Germany311 Posts
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
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Zed
Canada16 Posts
Very good fungals. | ||
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jfourz
Ireland421 Posts
medical students could learn something from dimaga | ||
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United Kingdom1401 Posts
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
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Hansel
Germany311 Posts
On May 08 2010 06:24 cuppatea wrote: demuslim waited too long to make his push imo. Think so aswell, there was a small window just when dimagas gold went up imho, but thats a hard call to make in such a game :-) | ||
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United States826 Posts
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Czech Republic1731 Posts
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cuppatea
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Demuslim had like 3 marines left and no SCV's... | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
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Germany311 Posts
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On May 08 2010 06:31 teamsolid wrote: Dimaga had no eco either, he lost all his drones. Demuslim at least has mules which lets him continue to stream marines. he still had drones in his main base | ||
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Slovakia1174 Posts
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condoriano
United States826 Posts
On May 08 2010 06:31 shinosai wrote: Damn that was awesome by demuslim. Haven't seen offensive scvs since they went down to 45 hp. :O awesome? lol.. | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
Yea, like 2-3... he transferred almost all of them to the nat to help def | ||
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Canada13788 Posts
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United States826 Posts
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United Kingdom1659 Posts
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SmoKim
Denmark10301 Posts
HUGE gratz to Dimaga :D and gratz to Demuslim for 2 place And yes, major probs and shoutout to Razor for doing this, really hope you will do more in the future GG | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On May 08 2010 06:11 cyclone25 wrote: The game was still lagging when that obs left -> it means it wasn't him lagging = totally understandable to flame Demuslim cuz he asked him to leave! Anyway, Demuslim should have left the game from the first minute, not to try some all-in cheese and when it doesn't work complain about lag -.- Well deserved win by Dimaga imo ... he had lags too. ---------------------------------------- User was temporarily banned for this post. Lol, this is really taking your vendetta against demuslim too far :[ The observers who did this should be blacklisted. Excellent 3rd/4th and 1st/2nd place games, awesome tournament overall :D! I liked Demu's build in game 5, reminded me of SC1 vulture expos... but sort of inside-out/upside down, reversed... something | ||
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rhap
Brazil136 Posts
And awesome tourney held by Razer. Probably the one who excited me more along with the first TL Invitational, which was pretty good and well organized. | ||
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Sweden4867 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
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Chucky
Germany56 Posts
Replays of 3rd place decider and overall final are already up at Razer-Domination.com plus a replaypack featuring all the replays of the Razer StarCraft II Beta Domination. It was a blast guys! | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
superxpym from SC2TV.ru thebest from Millenium These organizations should come out and apologize for this major fuckup. Until then I really hope tournaments refuse observers from these organizations in order to protect their player interests. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On May 08 2010 06:45 FrozenArbiter wrote: Lol, this is really taking your vendetta against demuslim too far :[ The observers who did this should be blacklisted. Excellent 3rd/4th and 1st/2nd place games, awesome tournament overall :D! I liked Demu's build in game 5, reminded me of SC1 vulture expos... but sort of inside-out/upside down, reversed... something wasnt observer i presume it was one of the visitors for sc2tv.ru. I never got why you need to have 2 russian(or two streams in any same language for that matter) streams(for gg.ru and sc2tv.ru). Sure the websites are competing but if thats the case, compete for the streams too, if at least by superior hardware specs and bandwidth(i think sc2tv.ru wins here significantly even despite what day said- their streams are consistently better then gg.ru's) and professionalism(not alt tabbing, barabulka). | ||
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zul
Germany5427 Posts
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UbiNax
Denmark381 Posts
and wtf was that about an obs who contacted DeMuslim and startet flaming?? such a rude nerd | ||
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Grroar
United States291 Posts
On May 08 2010 07:21 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Also I want to take this opportunity to call out the people that didn't leave the game 2 of DeMuslim vs DIMAGA when it was lagging and they were asked to leave. Both these guys stayed in the game unnecessary when asked to leave. The game was continued (I strongly disagree with this) with them in the game and continued to lag throughout until the end. Game 3 they weren't allowed to join anymore and were played without lag. superxpym from SC2TV.ru thebest from Millenium These organizations should come out and apologize for this major fuckup. Until then I really hope tournaments refuse observers from these organizations in order to protect their player interests. Completely agree and the fact that they went on to flame him after the fact is even worse | ||
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PownEr
Germany4 Posts
On May 08 2010 06:56 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Another great series that must have been a relief for Razer and Zotac. The previous rounds didn't really deliver fireworks, at least speaking for my own games. Awesome final to an awesome tournament. ZOTAC hasnt to do anything with this cup. I just have 1 b.net account and that is the ZOTAC one. But thats just a little fact .I just want to say thanks to all participants and all Streamers.I hope you enjoyed this tournement and sorry for all the small problems we had during this time. Greetings | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On May 08 2010 07:51 UbiNax wrote: Awesome finals, a shame game 2 had to be as it was.... they should have remade the game without all the random observers and only let 3 streamers in as they did for the rest of the matches... and wtf was that about an obs who contacted DeMuslim and startet flaming?? such a rude nerd This is not proven to be one of the obses at all. Without it being proven to be an obs I think it's pretty safe to assume it was just some viewer. On May 08 2010 07:57 PownEr wrote: ZOTAC hasnt to do anything with this cup. I just have 1 b.net account and that is the ZOTAC one. But thats just a little fact .I just want to say thanks to all participants and all Streamers.I hope you enjoyed this tournement and sorry for all the small problems we had during this time. Greetings Free exposure for Zotac then! Anyway gjgj regardless. Thanks to Razer and Freaks4u. | ||
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guitarizt
United States1492 Posts
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ViRii
United States826 Posts
Glad to see a Zerg win. Great job all around and congrats to Demuslim and Dimaga. Really entertaining to watch. | ||
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zTz
United States476 Posts
On May 08 2010 07:21 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:. superxpym from SC2TV.ru thebest from Millenium These organizations should come out and apologize for this major fuckup. Until then I really hope tournaments refuse observers from these organizations in order to protect their player interests. I do hope we see some sort of humilty from these organizations as well. ID also like to hear DeMuslim's and DIMAGA's thoughts on the situation. Btw Naz, were you sweatin with Strelok? =) Awsome series, had to leave before game 5 -- damn work getting in the way of SC! | ||
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DeMusliM
United Kingdom401 Posts
Ok, but about the obs that just wouldn't leave in the 2nd game, i cannot express how angry this made me - If i was lagging, and i was an observer - i would not hesitate for a second to leave, i class it just as common decency - i ALMOST think of it as rude to lag (as it usually hints at downloading/tabbing) but obviously at times people just can't help it which is why they should leave. Now, i waited for a long time with the game paused and i asked over 10x for people to leave and just let day9 stay, some people left - thanks for that, some people didn't and so the game was just a mess. Any observer, i don't care if your streaming - if your ruining the game, just leave - this should be implemented into everyones mindset - it is the players first, then admins, then the streamers - not the other way round. I was pretty damn mannered about it, and a player, ANY player should not have to ask 10x and get ignored - especially when it's a bloody final and these guys are holding up everyone. After this situation i was just soooo angry, i don't think i need to tell anyone here, since we're all gamers - once your frustrated you play alot worse. What also didn't help was, some people took it upon themselves to spam me with abuse, or spam "WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW" over and over again, one name i remember was "TRES" who wouldn't stop talking - then went on to flame me constantly and yes, spam my screen with garbage - unfortunately dnd doesn't work properly or bugs sometimes, and i had to play game 4 with that going on. I dunno when this became the norm, as i remember someone interfering with TLO vs White-ra also telling him what whitera was doing and when. Obviously this isn't everyone doing this, but this has become a pretty big problem without DND working correctly, and i can't remember when a minority of people became such assholes. So to finish it off - the people that left the game when asked, thanks for respecting the players themselves and the tournament, and the viewers on the rest of the streams. As for the guys who spoilt the game - well, hope their legs fall off? %) | ||
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frequency
Australia1901 Posts
If you lag you leave, ezpz? :c | ||
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Count9
China10928 Posts
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heishe
Germany2284 Posts
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r4ptur3
United States30 Posts
also, incredible BM on the part of the observers. Shame on you :O | ||
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TeWy
France714 Posts
On May 08 2010 11:25 DeMusliM wrote: Well i'd just like to say gz Dimaga before i say anything else - he's the guy i always like to meet at the end of a tournament rather than the start - (when we were both placed in the same group at the start of this tournament, i must say i was a little torn about it). But thankfully we met again in the end! Group B ftw. Ok, but about the obs that just wouldn't leave in the 2nd game, i cannot express how angry this made me - If i was lagging, and i was an observer - i would not hesitate for a second to leave, i class it just as common decency - i ALMOST think of it as rude to lag (as it usually hints at downloading/tabbing) but obviously at times people just can't help it which is why they should leave. Now, i waited for a long time with the game paused and i asked over 10x for people to leave and just let day9 stay, some people left - thanks for that, some people didn't and so the game was just a mess. Any observer, i don't care if your streaming - if your ruining the game, just leave - this should be implemented into everyones mindset - it is the players first, then admins, then the streamers - not the other way round. I was pretty damn mannered about it, and a player, ANY player should not have to ask 10x and get ignored - especially when it's a bloody final and these guys are holding up everyone. After this situation i was just soooo angry, i don't think i need to tell anyone here, since we're all gamers - once your frustrated you play alot worse. What also didn't help was, some people took it upon themselves to spam me with abuse, or spam "WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW" over and over again, one name i remember was "TRES" who wouldn't stop talking - then went on to flame me constantly and yes, spam my screen with garbage - unfortunately dnd doesn't work properly or bugs sometimes, and i had to play game 4 with that going on. I dunno when this became the norm, as i remember someone interfering with TLO vs White-ra also telling him what whitera was doing and when. Obviously this isn't everyone doing this, but this has become a pretty big problem without DND working correctly, and i can't remember when a minority of people became such assholes. So to finish it off - the people that left the game when asked, thanks for respecting the players themselves and the tournament, and the viewers on the rest of the streams. As for the guys who spoilt the game - well, hope their legs fall off? %) Few things that you should take into consideration, it wasn't yours nor TeamLiquid's tournament, so neither of you or Day9 have any rights to order people to gtfo a game, no matter what your reasons are. These kind of decisions should be left to a razer-domination admin. Second thing, Day9 wasn't the only streamer, I know it might seem weird considering how good his comments usually are, but some people either don't like hearing english, can't comprehend it, or don't appreciate Day9's way of commentating a game. There were several hundreds people watching some of these different streams, so you can't simply order people to shut them down when you feel like it. | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
Few things that you should take into consideration, it wasn't yours nor TeamLiquid's tournament, so neither of you or Day9 have any rights to order people to gtfo a game, no matter what your reasons are. These kind of decisions should be left to a razer-domination admin. Second thing, Day9 wasn't the only streamer, I know it might seem weird considering how good his comments usually are, but some people either don't like hearing english, can't comprehend it, or don't appreciate Day9's way of commentating a game. There were several hundreds people watching some of these different streams, so you can't simply order people to shut them down when you feel like it. Playing without lag is holy as long as there's obses in the game anyone can ask them to leave. Clearly the admins fully agreed with all the requests. When it comes to lag an admin is an extension of a players experience. And yes an English stream is a lot more universal so it has privilege over anything else for that reason. These are things that are really obvious. | ||
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TeWy
France714 Posts
On May 08 2010 13:02 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Playing without lag is holy as long as there's obses in the game anyone can ask them to leave. Clearly the admins fully agreed with all the requests. When it comes to lag an admin is an extension of a players experience. And yes an English stream is a lot more universal so it has privilege over anything else for that reason. These are things that are really obvious. Yes, it is obvious that an English TL member will always defend the English TL stream no matter what, but this is your personal opinion... Try to make it a rule if you like, but don't blame people for not doing what you want them to do because these kind of attitudes wouldn't help professionalizing e-sports. | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
This is your personal opinion, try to make it a rule if you like, but don't blame people for not doing what you want them to do because these kind of attitudes wouldn't help professionalizing e-sports. It's not personal opinion it's common etiquette part of the professional e-sport scene. | ||
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Doomgaze
Sweden89 Posts
I think the norm needs to change. It is simply much better for both parts (the players playing, and the people watching), if the replay instead of the actual match is streamed. That would eliminiate unnecessary lag while at the same time make the game accessible to more streamers. Also with the extra benefit of the streamers being able to paus or slow down. EDIT: Not to mention, it also eliminates the possibility of cheating. | ||
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Strelok
Ukraine320 Posts
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mfZOR
Australia49 Posts
Fuck off idiot, players > obs anyday. | ||
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r4ptur3
United States30 Posts
On May 08 2010 13:13 TeWy wrote: Yes, it is obvious that an English TL member will always defend the English TL stream no matter what, but this is your personal opinion... Try to make it a rule if you like, but don't blame people for not doing what you want them to do because these kind of attitudes wouldn't help professionalizing e-sports. I would agree with you if this was just Nazgul talking. But both players asked observers to leave. How do you justify not respecting the players' opinions? It is pure goodwill on their part to let people stream at all, its not like you have a RIGHT to stream. And in terms of pure numbers, english is indeed the most-spoken language in the world (I can link you to some very trustworthy data on the matter). Thats a fact, not an opinion. | ||
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TeWy
France714 Posts
On May 08 2010 14:08 r4ptur3 wrote: I would agree with you if this was just Nazgul talking. But both players asked observers to leave. How do you justify not respecting the players' opinions? It is pure goodwill on their part to let people stream at all, its not like you have a RIGHT to stream. And in terms of pure numbers, english is indeed the most-spoken language in the world (I can link you to some very trustworthy data on the matter). Thats a fact, not an opinion. Your point is that when a game starts to lag, all the non-english non-TL streamers have to gtfo ? Or that players should always decide who can stay or gtfo ? I don't believe that any of these rules is transcendent enough to impose itself naturally.. O and btw, English is not the most-spoken language in the world, it is Chinese. EDIT: English is the 3rd one, after Spanish, so be careful with your arguments. | ||
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France631 Posts
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r4ptur3
United States30 Posts
Sorry Tewy, I didnt express myself clearly. What I meant was most spoken language on the internet (so potential viewers). "A study on the presence of Romance languages on the Internet, published by the Latin Union in collaboration with FUNREDES, showed that as of November 2007, 45% of the webpages were written in English, 3.8% in Spanish, 4.41% in French, 2.66% in Italian, 1.39% in Portuguese, 0.28% in Romanian and 5.9% in German.[2] Chinese is the most spoken native language on Earth, and the second most-used language by Internet users." This is just wikipedia (link), but i can dig out more reliable sources if you want. | ||
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France8575 Posts
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gogogadgetflow
United States2583 Posts
On May 08 2010 15:06 r4ptur3 wrote: Yes, players can tell anyone to gtfo. Its their game, they didnt sign a contract or anything, i dont see how this could possibly even be a point of debate. Sorry Tewy, I didnt express myself clearly. What I meant was most spoken language on the internet (so potential viewers). "A study on the presence of Romance languages on the Internet, published by the Latin Union in collaboration with FUNREDES, showed that as of November 2007, 45% of the webpages were written in English, 3.8% in Spanish, 4.41% in French, 2.66% in Italian, 1.39% in Portuguese, 0.28% in Romanian and 5.9% in German.[2] Chinese is the most spoken native language on Earth, and the second most-used language by Internet users." This is just wikipedia (link), but i can dig out more reliable sources if you want. For anyone who thinks *the internet* is an unfair measure of which language is most understood, this site has some really relevant statistics and proves that english is most understood (even in Europe). | ||
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Nitro68
France470 Posts
I agree the english stream is the universal one, but if you only want this one your global coverage will not be as good. Streamers should leave if the dropbox appears with their name (like "superxpym") but why are you speacking of TheBest ? As far as I know, he was never on dropbox, was streaming and do not lag while streaming a ton of games... I'm not part of Millenium, but I'm just happy I can watch lots of Zotac or Razer games when Day[9] or GLHF.tv are not streaming... The real big problem I see in game 2 was that there was lag but no dropbox :/ | ||
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Longshank
1648 Posts
On May 08 2010 18:11 Nitro68 wrote: Streamers should leave if the dropbox appears with their name (like "superxpym") but why are you speacking of TheBest ? As far as I know, he was never on dropbox, was streaming and do not lag while streaming a ton of games... Probably because he was asked to leave but didn't. And streamers should leave if the game lags and the players ask them to, I can't see how this is even up for debate. | ||
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Glider
United States1348 Posts
On May 08 2010 12:55 TeWy wrote: Few things that you should take into consideration, it wasn't yours nor TeamLiquid's tournament, so neither of you or Day9 have any rights to order people to gtfo a game, no matter what your reasons are. These kind of decisions should be left to a razer-domination admin. Second thing, Day9 wasn't the only streamer, I know it might seem weird considering how good his comments usually are, but some people either don't like hearing english, can't comprehend it, or don't appreciate Day9's way of commentating a game. There were several hundreds people watching some of these different streams, so you can't simply order people to shut them down when you feel like it. In a tournament or game, content stream is only worth a damn on the foundation that the players are playing to their ability/potential. Streamers are content deliverers, they have ZERO value by themselves, it's absurd for content deliverer to continue delivery if doing so screws up the very game play/content they are serving. Regardless of who is in charge of the tournament, the highest priority should be to ensure the player can play in an environment without handicap that can be avoided (in this case lag). So any sensible admin should agree the player can ask any obs to gtfo. If only 1 or 2 streamer can be kept, obviously it should be the most received and understood ones in order to benefit most amount of people. In this case.. english. It's not even a big problem since other streamers can just stream the rep right after. | ||
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zTz
United States476 Posts
It's a tournament... Money and bragging rights on the line During a sponsored event. When lag interferes with gameplay, it must be removed. Is that not comprehensible to you? -- as was mentioned by a previous thread poster, obs are guest invited to front row viewings (rather than releasing replays for casting...) Also your a moron x2 for claiming Chinese is the most spoken language world wide. That useless fact migh be true but I don't see international events, world summit meetigs, business deals, or mergers and aquisitions being done in Chinese. Your from France and you speak fluent English, as done almost every othe person international. Thanks. | ||
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United States9218 Posts
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United States9218 Posts
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Skeggaba
Korea (South)1556 Posts
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
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UbiNax
Denmark381 Posts
On May 08 2010 12:55 TeWy wrote: Few things that you should take into consideration, it wasn't yours nor TeamLiquid's tournament, so neither of you or Day9 have any rights to order people to gtfo a game, no matter what your reasons are. These kind of decisions should be left to a razer-domination admin. Second thing, Day9 wasn't the only streamer, I know it might seem weird considering how good his comments usually are, but some people either don't like hearing english, can't comprehend it, or don't appreciate Day9's way of commentating a game. There were several hundreds people watching some of these different streams, so you can't simply order people to shut them down when you feel like it. Are you serious TeWy? it have nothing to do with if its DeMuSlims tournament or Teamliquids if players ask obs/streamers to leave the game " in any tournament " duo to lag and are willing to let a few streamers stay behind without cocasters then that should be it, obs and streamers should leave, and i assume the reason why he wanted Day9 to stay is because its an english stream which have WAAAAY way more veiwers than ANY of the other streams, Day9s stream had the majority of the veiwers on his channel it is beyond me why they didnt remake game 2 and only invite 1-3 streamers without co casters | ||
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Nitro68
France470 Posts
On May 08 2010 18:53 Longshank wrote: Probably because he was asked to leave but didn't. And streamers should leave if the game lags and the players ask them to, I can't see how this is even up for debate. He was not asked to leave. Day9 asked him 3 times if he was streaming and he said yes 3 times. Strelok asked Day9 to leave in the 3rd place final and he didn't. I just dont think it's fair to ask people to leave when they were not lagging in game 1. | ||
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Longshank
1648 Posts
On May 08 2010 21:52 Nitro68 wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On May 08 2010 18:53 Longshank wrote: Probably because he was asked to leave but didn't. And streamers should leave if the game lags and the players ask them to, I can't see how this is even up for debate. He was not asked to leave. Day9 asked him 3 times if he was streaming and he said yes 3 times. Strelok asked Day9 to leave in the 3rd place final and he didn't. I just dont think it's fair to ask people to leave when they were not lagging in game 1. Demuslim asked all obs but Day9 to leave didn't he? What are you suggesting, that the players need some kind of evidence of someone lagging before asking them to leave? If it's unplayable, there's a load of obs and no telling which one slows it down the only solution is to bring it down to a minimum, the required admin(s) and the main stream(in this case Day9) staying. You can't expect the players to make the decission of which of the lesser streamers may stay and which one will have to leave. First of all it's a big hassle when they should be focusing on the game, secondly, imagine the flamefest if ONLY the German streamer was asked to leave with no actual hint of him lagging. Life's unfair, get used to it. | ||
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HubertFelix
France631 Posts
On May 08 2010 21:52 Nitro68 wrote: He was not asked to leave. Day9 asked him 3 times if he was streaming and he said yes 3 times. Strelok asked Day9 to leave in the 3rd place final and he didn't. I just dont think it's fair to ask people to leave when they were not lagging in game 1. They don't want to spend 15 minutes of investigations, they just want to finish their game... | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On May 08 2010 21:52 Nitro68 wrote: He was not asked to leave. Day9 asked him 3 times if he was streaming and he said yes 3 times. Strelok asked Day9 to leave in the 3rd place final and he didn't. I just dont think it's fair to ask people to leave when they were not lagging in game 1. Day9 is the official Razer Domination streamer the others are not. They are there simply due to the goodwill of the Razer Domination staff and their place comes after Day9 it's simple as that. According to your logic when game one doesn't lag and no dropscreen appears in game two the game should just be continued playing in lag. That's not a solution at all it's an outrageous suggestion. When it's unclear who is lagging obses should leave one by one with the ones of least importance starting first until only the official stream is left. | ||
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zTz
United States476 Posts
Good Games guys! | ||
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Nitro68
France470 Posts
On May 09 2010 01:05 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Day9 is the official Razer Domination streamer the others are not. They are there simply due to the goodwill of the Razer Domination staff and their place comes after Day9 it's simple as that. According to your logic when game one doesn't lag and no dropscreen appears in game two the game should just be continued playing in lag. That's not a solution at all it's an outrageous suggestion. When it's unclear who is lagging obses should leave one by one with the ones of least importance starting first until only the official stream is left. I don't want to be outrageous, and I agree players are the priority. Your solution seems fine, first kick the obs, then co-caster (or forbid co-caster) then casters one by one. And I just think that after some month in beta we should know which streamers do not lag. In game 1 the obs were : - TheBest - Jaydden - GoodGameRU - YoGo - ZotacStream - Abver - Superxpm - OgerAffe And no lag. In game 2 one new name : - imba He did not leave the game. They were all "official streamers" according to http://razer.cups.gamesports.net/live But I still agree Day[9] is the most important.. And btw it was an amazing tournament, amazing games (especially your games for 3rd place). | ||
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Geval
788 Posts
I didnt watch the stream so I cannot tell, but any competent admin would ask all the obs and other streamers out before Day9. | ||
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DeMusliM
United Kingdom401 Posts
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rasnj
United States1959 Posts
On May 09 2010 02:28 Geval wrote: I believe its not up to players to decide who should gtfo or not. It is the admin's responsibility to do so. Players should be able only to complain and its up to the admin to decide. I didnt watch the stream so I cannot tell, but any competent admin would ask all the obs and other streamers out before Day9. It would totally ruin the flow of the players if they had to wait 10-15min for the issue to be resolved by admins and would probably affect their following games. Anyway the rules are pretty clear on the matter, in the case of lag players are allowed to play without observers: 4.1 Coverage partners are allowed to observe all matches. In case of lags players are allowed to continue without further observers besides league officials. There was terrible lag, so I see no reason why they couldn't tell observers to leave. | ||
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zTz
United States476 Posts
Thanks for the good example buddy! | ||
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PownEr
Germany4 Posts
On May 09 2010 07:52 zTz wrote: ZOTACpwner should right a thread on ob etiquette; he's always leaving often before getting asked or game being paused, and on his exit tells all other specs to do the same if lag continues. Thanks for the good example buddy! Thanks a lot . I just have many experiencs as an admin and i just want the best performance for the players and the streamers. And my computer isnt the best so i leave before the game starts if there were any problems in the previous games. And I can still do my admin job so I dont really mind. Its a bit sad that i couldnt watch the finals because i did the whole Tourney almost alone but so i could enjoy the day9 stream. And there will be konsequenz for the streamers who didnt leave the game cause the Razer stuff is the same like the ZOTAC stuff . | ||
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Australia2542 Posts
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jfourz
Ireland421 Posts
amazing micro by both players! and game 4 was probably the best sc2 match i've seen so far, only a nuke would have made it better :p | ||
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Martijn
Netherlands1219 Posts
On May 08 2010 18:11 Nitro68 wrote: The problem I see is (for instance) millenium streamed 90%+ games of Razer domination while Day[9] or GLHF streamed less games. And then, it's the final and all the "lesser" streams have to leave... (YoGo was the co-caster and leaved the game). I agree the english stream is the universal one, but if you only want this one your global coverage will not be as good. Streamers should leave if the dropbox appears with their name (like "superxpym") but why are you speacking of TheBest ? As far as I know, he was never on dropbox, was streaming and do not lag while streaming a ton of games... I'm not part of Millenium, but I'm just happy I can watch lots of Zotac or Razer games when Day[9] or GLHF.tv are not streaming... The real big problem I see in game 2 was that there was lag but no dropbox :/ First off, bullshit. If you think it's somehow ok to drag GLHF into this mess, let me tell you that I will go to hell and back before allowing it. GLHF streamed practically all the games, except for the finals. Except for the finals? Why yes, because I told Day[9] the finals were coming up and he wanted to stream them. Wait, what's that? Someone not opting to stream a match because there's already a high quality stream available in that language? That is madness! Feel free to confirm it with the admins, we were scheduled and confirmed to cast, but I let them know beforehand we would decline the offer because Day[9] was streaming. Or confirm with Sean that I actually told him about the finals in the first place. Previously, his rig didn't allow for what we considered acceptable quality, but with his new setup he's been solid so we decided we wouldn't be providing nearly as much added value to the community. I have nothing but respect for millenium, their commentators and their organization, but I definitely don't respect your stance in this matter. I'll more than gladly compare viewer numbers and we'll see who's really been bringing in the numbers. So back off and leave us out of it. We have no intention to be your justification. That said, having experience with covering many different games. It's a privilege to stream matches like this, not a right. The most important thing is the legitimacy of the competition and if there's considerable lag, that simply isn't acceptable. If you at any point popup lagging and the players ask you to leave, you leave. There is no if's nor but's, you LEAVE right then and there. Beyond that, it should be a privilege for the players to have their matches covered. The players need to remember that they benefit greatly from exposure. Sure prize money is nice, but sponsors want players that get exposure and teams and tournaments pick up/invite players that get sponsors. Streamers and players have (or should have) a mutually beneficial understanding. As soon as that is broken, as soon as streamers become more of a burden than added value to the community, something is going dreadfully wrong. If there's lag, by all means players should make sure it's not on their end, for their own sake. But if it's not them, first the “non-essential” people should leave (I question they should be there to begin with) and after that streamers. It makes no sense to sour a competition because of streamers not taking their responsibility, they are no longer benefiting the community in any way, shape or form. No one wants to see a laggy match. And when it comes to multiple streamers, you should be looking at the effect on the community. Yes there's a segment that doesn't understand certain languages, but the good of the many outweighs the good of the few, so obviously less universal streams should leave first. You're doing this as a service to the community, which is what streamers shouldn't forget. If you are asked to leave, leave. It is a joint decision between the players and the admins. If they want you out, go out. Furthermore, I always make sure I'm in fullscreen mode and I absolutely refuse to alt-tab to minimize whatever effect I have in game. Stupidity like that is just unprofessional. Lastly anyone that condones the behavior of the pieces of shit spamming the players should realize these people are nothing but a rotten influence on the community. They are self-centered egotistical brats who think their own viewing comfort is more important than the players, the competition and the tournament. I believe in a zero tolerance policy towards this kind of behavior. | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10301 Posts
On May 11 2010 00:38 Martijn wrote: *snip* Why yes I just posted my fullname and student id here by accident, lets pretend it didn't happen :p *snip* First off, bullshit. If you think it's somehow ok to drag GLHF into this mess, let me tell you that I will go to hell and back before allowing it. GLHF streamed practically all the games, except for the finals. Except for the finals? Why yes, because I told Day[9] the finals were coming up and he wanted to stream them. Wait, what's that? Someone not opting to stream a match because there's already a high quality stream available in that language? That is madness! Feel free to confirm it with the admins, we were scheduled and confirmed to cast, but I let them know beforehand we would decline the offer because Day[9] was streaming. Or confirm with Sean that I actually told him about the finals in the first place. Previously, his rig didn't allow for what we considered acceptable quality, but with his new setup he's been solid so we decided we wouldn't be providing nearly as much added value to the community. I have nothing but respect for millenium, their commentators and their organization, but I definitely don't respect your stance in this matter. I'll more than gladly compare viewer numbers and we'll see who's really been bringing in the numbers. So back off and leave us out of it. We have no intention to be your justification. That said, having experience with covering many different games. It's a privilege to stream matches like this, not a right. The most important thing is the legitimacy of the competition and if there's considerable lag, that simply isn't acceptable. If you at any point popup lagging and the players ask you to leave, you leave. There is no if's nor but's, you LEAVE right then and there. Beyond that, it should be a privilege for the players to have their matches covered. The players need to remember that they benefit greatly from exposure. Sure prize money is nice, but sponsors pick up players that get exposure and teams pick up players that get sponsors. Streamers and players have (or should have) a mutually beneficial understanding. As soon as that is broken, as soon as streamers become more of a burden than added value to the community, something is going dreadfully wrong. If there's lag, by all means players should make sure it's not on their end, for their own sake. But if it's not them, first the “non-essential” people should leave (I question they should be there to begin with) and after that streamers. It makes no sense to sour a competition because of streamers not taking their responsibility, they are no longer benefiting the community in any way, shape or form. No one wants to see a laggy match. And when it comes to multiple streamers, you should be looking at the effect on the community. Yes there's a segment that doesn't understand certain languages, but the good of the many outweighs the good of the few, so obviously less universal streams should leave first. You're doing this as a service to the community, which is what streamers shouldn't forget. If you are asked to leave, leave. It is a joint decision between the players and the admins. If they want you out, go out. Furthermore, I always make sure I'm in fullscreen mode and I absolutely refuse to alt-tab to minimize whatever effect I have in game. Stupidity like that is just unprofessional. Lastly anyone that condones the behavior of the pieces of shit spamming the players should realize these people are nothing but a rotten influence on the community. They are self-centered egotistical brats who think their own viewing comfort is more important than the players, the competition and the tournament. I believe in a zero tolerance policy towards this kind of behavior. +100, well said Martijn | ||
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Martijn
Netherlands1219 Posts
On May 09 2010 22:19 tyCe wrote: It might be a good idea to just have one official streamer/broadcaster and have other sites stream from the official stream. That's pretty much what is done with most sports and even in the osl/msl. It is obviously not ideal for the unofficial streamers as they can't control the camera but it definitely respects the players first and foremost. If unofficial streamers are so anxious to control the camera they can simply stream the replay after the games have been played. As one of the few commentators here that has done televised esports commentary, it really is not that bad to not have control of the camera. You'd be surprised. Of course you do need someone on the camera that knows what they're doing, which has been an issue at times. You definitely have less control over what you can see and talk about, and you can't just check up on things like upgrades easily, but overal you can still give insightful commentary. | ||
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Random()
Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
For a game that is presented as the e-sports game, SC2's network part is very lazily done. The current streaming method is very intrusive because the game treats observers as equally important game participants, and if they have not received the latest data the game will wait for them. At the very least, it should not do that and must let the game continue uninterrupted unless it is one of the actual players that is lagging. However much better, more flexible and scalable solution is to allow real-time streaming of in-game data, like HLTV does. It is very easy to implement, most of the required code is already there, as shown by this great chaoslauncher plugin. In short, it uses the standard SC replay viewing functionality, but tricks SC into thinking that it is playing a regular replay file, while actually the replay data is being streamed from a server in real time, where it is being pushed by one of the players as the game progresses. This effectively allows any number of users to watch the game being played using the engine, as if they were actually observing it in-game. Note that it has been done by a group of enthusiasts who did not even have access to any source code, just a small amount of clever reverse-engineering. Their reluctance to implement something like this, along with all the other fan-requested features that are actually important for the community, while they are happily doing silly things like Facebook integration clearly shows that they, unfortunately, don't care much about supporting e-sports. | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
Of course, they have barely even responded to it. I don't get why they are so reluctant to deal with these things | ||
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Random()
Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
On May 11 2010 02:04 FrozenArbiter wrote: Yeah, WaaaghTV for WC3 was basically like that, and it has been requested *so* many times throughout the years SC2 has been in development. Of course, they have barely even responded to it. I don't get why they are so reluctant to deal with these things It doesn't sell, while Facebook does | ||
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zTz
United States476 Posts
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MGreeN
France50 Posts
I'm sorry if we didn't reply before the fact is I've just seen this thread right now. So . On May 09 2010 01:05 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Day9 is the official Razer Domination streamer the others are not. They are there simply due to the goodwill of the Razer Domination staff and their place comes after Day9 it's simple as that. According to your logic when game one doesn't lag and no dropscreen appears in game two the game should just be continued playing in lag. That's not a solution at all it's an outrageous suggestion. When it's unclear who is lagging obses should leave one by one with the ones of least importance starting first until only the official stream is left. And who's that guy who told you that Day9 was the ONLY official streamer of the Razer Domination Cup ? Haven't you seen the stream list at the razer domination page ? All streams you can see on this page are ALL official streamers, Losemann himself told me we were part of the official streamers of that Razer Cup, so don't tell me its because Day9 is such a famous guy blablabla so he's the only one who can stream even if he lags I really don't agree with that and such things make me very angry. We, the Millenium Web TV were there to stream almost everygame of the tournament during the whole month and we're not even allowed to stream the grand final when Mister Day9 has only streamed the semi finals and the finals plus he was laggin as hell 3 or 4 times. It happened the same thing with Thegunrun when he was lagging and crashed 2 or 3 times but he left at the end. Actually, when "little streams" lag, you flame them and ask them to leave directly only because they dont have the "omg-so-required-2000-viewers" plus we dont shout in english. It's rly weird coz we don't have such problem lags when we stream other tournaments except when we tab to fix some stream problem and thats another deal that has nothing to do with lag. Anyway, I'd like to apologize for TheBesT's behaviour if he flamed you or whatever he said. I think I said it all. | ||
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Martijn
Netherlands1219 Posts
On May 13 2010 20:59 MGreeN wrote: We, the Millenium Web TV were there to stream almost everygame of the tournament during the whole month and we're not even allowed to stream the grand final when Mister Day9 has only streamed the semi finals and the finals plus he was laggin as hell 3 or 4 times. It happened the same thing with Thegunrun when he was lagging and crashed 2 or 3 times but he left at the end. Actually, when "little streams" lag, you flame them and ask them to leave directly only because they dont have the "omg-so-required-2000-viewers" plus we dont shout in english. Again, I highly suggest you leave us out of it, thanks. It's not like you didn't come to us for help on how to stream. Once you get a better processor, by all means let us know. | ||
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MGreeN
France50 Posts
On May 13 2010 22:18 Martijn wrote: Again, I highly suggest you leave us out of it, thanks. I didn't mean to offend you at all, I know you're doing a great by far and I just wanted to point out that even with your 1k5 viewers, you finally left the game, thats it, no offense. On May 13 2010 22:18 Martijn wrote: It's not like you didn't come to us for help on how to stream. Once you get a better processor, by all means let us know. And I'm not ashamed to ask you for help on how to use Ustream coz yeah, we're not satisfied with our current quality stream (the guy alrdy got his new processor btw, thanks.). | ||
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Martijn
Netherlands1219 Posts
On May 13 2010 22:31 MGreeN wrote: I didn't mean to offend you at all, I know you're doing a great by far and I just wanted to point out that even with your 1k5 viewers, you finally left the game, thats it, no offense. And I'm not ashamed to ask you for help on how to use Ustream coz yeah, we're not satisfied with our current quality stream (the guy alrdy got his new processor btw, thanks.). Oh, no, you didn't offend us, we just don't want to be involved. We're not here so set standards for other people. If we have issues, we take our responsibility, which we consider normal. What other people think is up to them. However, ask yourself this, if there's lag, with no pop up and it's either a stream that has 2000 viewers or a stream that has 200 viewers, who do you think should start leaving first until it clears up? I'm sorry, but if you're going to ask me, obviously I'm going to agree with the people that say the smaller streams should step out first to see if the lag ends. Streaming is a service to the community, whomever is contributing to the most viewers has the most value. | ||
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MoMaN-
France202 Posts
But i can understand your disapoint! but plz dont generalize! | ||
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