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Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
May 07 2010 22:21 GMT
#681
Also I want to take this opportunity to call out the people that didn't leave the game 2 of DeMuslim vs DIMAGA when it was lagging and they were asked to leave. Both these guys stayed in the game unnecessary when asked to leave. The game was continued (I strongly disagree with this) with them in the game and continued to lag throughout until the end. Game 3 they weren't allowed to join anymore and were played without lag.

superxpym from SC2TV.ru
thebest from Millenium

These organizations should come out and apologize for this major fuckup. Until then I really hope tournaments refuse observers from these organizations in order to protect their player interests.
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Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
May 07 2010 22:23 GMT
#682
On May 08 2010 06:45 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2010 06:11 cyclone25 wrote:
On May 08 2010 06:07 Harem wrote:
On May 08 2010 05:57 PredY wrote:
just leave the fcking game ffs. respect the players

And now one of them is even flaming Demuslim?

That's just unacceptable. -_-


The game was still lagging when that obs left -> it means it wasn't him lagging = totally understandable to flame Demuslim cuz he asked him to leave!

Anyway, Demuslim should have left the game from the first minute, not to try some all-in cheese and when it doesn't work complain about lag -.-
Well deserved win by Dimaga imo ... he had lags too.

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User was temporarily banned for this post.

Lol, this is really taking your vendetta against demuslim too far :[

The observers who did this should be blacklisted.

Excellent 3rd/4th and 1st/2nd place games, awesome tournament overall :D! I liked Demu's build in game 5, reminded me of SC1 vulture expos... but sort of inside-out/upside down, reversed... something

wasnt observer i presume it was one of the visitors for sc2tv.ru.
I never got why you need to have 2 russian(or two streams in any same language for that matter) streams(for gg.ru and sc2tv.ru). Sure the websites are competing but if thats the case, compete for the streams too, if at least by superior hardware specs and bandwidth(i think sc2tv.ru wins here significantly even despite what day said- their streams are consistently better then gg.ru's) and professionalism(not alt tabbing, barabulka).
twitter.com/therealdhalism | "Trying out Z = lots of losses vs inferior players until you figure out how to do it well (if it even works)."- Liquid'Tyler
zul
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany5427 Posts
May 07 2010 22:49 GMT
#683
todays Games were really cool and close and well played. congrats to DIMAGA for winning and to all the other players for showing some great fights.
keep it deep! @zulison
UbiNax
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark381 Posts
May 07 2010 22:51 GMT
#684
Awesome finals, a shame game 2 had to be as it was.... they should have remade the game without all the random observers and only let 3 streamers in as they did for the rest of the matches...


and wtf was that about an obs who contacted DeMuslim and startet flaming?? such a rude nerd
Grroar
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States291 Posts
May 07 2010 22:52 GMT
#685
On May 08 2010 07:21 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Also I want to take this opportunity to call out the people that didn't leave the game 2 of DeMuslim vs DIMAGA when it was lagging and they were asked to leave. Both these guys stayed in the game unnecessary when asked to leave. The game was continued (I strongly disagree with this) with them in the game and continued to lag throughout until the end. Game 3 they weren't allowed to join anymore and were played without lag.

superxpym from SC2TV.ru
thebest from Millenium

These organizations should come out and apologize for this major fuckup. Until then I really hope tournaments refuse observers from these organizations in order to protect their player interests.



Completely agree and the fact that they went on to flame him after the fact is even worse
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PownEr
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany4 Posts
May 07 2010 22:57 GMT
#686
On May 08 2010 06:56 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Another great series that must have been a relief for Razer and Zotac. The previous rounds didn't really deliver fireworks, at least speaking for my own games. Awesome final to an awesome tournament.



ZOTAC hasnt to do anything with this cup. I just have 1 b.net account and that is the ZOTAC one. But thats just a little fact .

I just want to say thanks to all participants and all Streamers.I hope you enjoyed this tournement and sorry for all the small problems we had during this time.

Greetings
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-07 22:59:38
May 07 2010 22:58 GMT
#687
On May 08 2010 07:51 UbiNax wrote:
Awesome finals, a shame game 2 had to be as it was.... they should have remade the game without all the random observers and only let 3 streamers in as they did for the rest of the matches...


and wtf was that about an obs who contacted DeMuslim and startet flaming?? such a rude nerd

This is not proven to be one of the obses at all. Without it being proven to be an obs I think it's pretty safe to assume it was just some viewer.

On May 08 2010 07:57 PownEr wrote:
ZOTAC hasnt to do anything with this cup. I just have 1 b.net account and that is the ZOTAC one. But thats just a little fact .

I just want to say thanks to all participants and all Streamers.I hope you enjoyed this tournement and sorry for all the small problems we had during this time.

Greetings

Free exposure for Zotac then! Anyway gjgj regardless. Thanks to Razer and Freaks4u.
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guitarizt
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1492 Posts
May 07 2010 23:10 GMT
#688
Best series of sc2 yet imo. The lag sucked and the guys who stayed were extremly bm and are giving russians a bad name, but the final series had a bit of everything.
“There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.” - Hemingway
ViRii
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States826 Posts
May 08 2010 00:37 GMT
#689
Really great games.

Glad to see a Zerg win. Great job all around and congrats to Demuslim and Dimaga.

Really entertaining to watch.
zTz
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States476 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-08 01:37:06
May 08 2010 01:35 GMT
#690
On May 08 2010 07:21 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:.

superxpym from SC2TV.ru
thebest from Millenium

These organizations should come out and apologize for this major fuckup. Until then I really hope tournaments refuse observers from these organizations in order to protect their player interests.


I do hope we see some sort of humilty from these organizations as well. ID also like to hear DeMuslim's and DIMAGA's thoughts on the situation.

Btw Naz, were you sweatin with Strelok? =) Awsome series, had to leave before game 5 -- damn work getting in the way of SC!
where's the rants n flames section?
DeMusliM
Profile Joined February 2010
United Kingdom401 Posts
May 08 2010 02:25 GMT
#691
Well i'd just like to say gz Dimaga before i say anything else - he's the guy i always like to meet at the end of a tournament rather than the start - (when we were both placed in the same group at the start of this tournament, i must say i was a little torn about it). But thankfully we met again in the end! Group B ftw.

Ok, but about the obs that just wouldn't leave in the 2nd game, i cannot express how angry this made me - If i was lagging, and i was an observer - i would not hesitate for a second to leave, i class it just as common decency - i ALMOST think of it as rude to lag (as it usually hints at downloading/tabbing) but obviously at times people just can't help it which is why they should leave.
Now, i waited for a long time with the game paused and i asked over 10x for people to leave and just let day9 stay, some people left - thanks for that, some people didn't and so the game was just a mess. Any observer, i don't care if your streaming - if your ruining the game, just leave - this should be implemented into everyones mindset - it is the players first, then admins, then the streamers - not the other way round.
I was pretty damn mannered about it, and a player, ANY player should not have to ask 10x and get ignored - especially when it's a bloody final and these guys are holding up everyone.
After this situation i was just soooo angry, i don't think i need to tell anyone here, since we're all gamers - once your frustrated you play alot worse.

What also didn't help was, some people took it upon themselves to spam me with abuse, or spam "WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW" over and over again, one name i remember was "TRES" who wouldn't stop talking - then went on to flame me constantly and yes, spam my screen with garbage - unfortunately dnd doesn't work properly or bugs sometimes, and i had to play game 4 with that going on.
I dunno when this became the norm, as i remember someone interfering with TLO vs White-ra also telling him what whitera was doing and when.
Obviously this isn't everyone doing this, but this has become a pretty big problem without DND working correctly, and i can't remember when a minority of people became such assholes.

So to finish it off - the people that left the game when asked, thanks for respecting the players themselves and the tournament, and the viewers on the rest of the streams. As for the guys who spoilt the game - well, hope their legs fall off? %)


frequency
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Australia1901 Posts
May 08 2010 02:33 GMT
#692
Well put Ben %)

If you lag you leave, ezpz? :c
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Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
May 08 2010 03:08 GMT
#693
Watched most of the 3rd place match, took a final, and watching through the last parts of the finals now, amazing series. Really delivered today, wish I could give the vods to my mom for mother's day.
heishe
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany2284 Posts
May 08 2010 03:30 GMT
#694
i absolutely hate it that we cant get replays. i need help vs terran and missed the stream. [x] wants dimaga vs demuslim reppack
If you value your soul, never look into the eye of a horse. Your soul will forever be lost in the void of the horse.
r4ptur3
Profile Joined May 2010
United States30 Posts
May 08 2010 03:48 GMT
#695
watch d9's VOD heishe, it is up already

also, incredible BM on the part of the observers. Shame on you :O
TeWy
Profile Joined December 2009
France714 Posts
May 08 2010 03:55 GMT
#696
On May 08 2010 11:25 DeMusliM wrote:
Well i'd just like to say gz Dimaga before i say anything else - he's the guy i always like to meet at the end of a tournament rather than the start - (when we were both placed in the same group at the start of this tournament, i must say i was a little torn about it). But thankfully we met again in the end! Group B ftw.

Ok, but about the obs that just wouldn't leave in the 2nd game, i cannot express how angry this made me - If i was lagging, and i was an observer - i would not hesitate for a second to leave, i class it just as common decency - i ALMOST think of it as rude to lag (as it usually hints at downloading/tabbing) but obviously at times people just can't help it which is why they should leave.
Now, i waited for a long time with the game paused and i asked over 10x for people to leave and just let day9 stay, some people left - thanks for that, some people didn't and so the game was just a mess. Any observer, i don't care if your streaming - if your ruining the game, just leave - this should be implemented into everyones mindset - it is the players first, then admins, then the streamers - not the other way round.
I was pretty damn mannered about it, and a player, ANY player should not have to ask 10x and get ignored - especially when it's a bloody final and these guys are holding up everyone.
After this situation i was just soooo angry, i don't think i need to tell anyone here, since we're all gamers - once your frustrated you play alot worse.

What also didn't help was, some people took it upon themselves to spam me with abuse, or spam "WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW" over and over again, one name i remember was "TRES" who wouldn't stop talking - then went on to flame me constantly and yes, spam my screen with garbage - unfortunately dnd doesn't work properly or bugs sometimes, and i had to play game 4 with that going on.
I dunno when this became the norm, as i remember someone interfering with TLO vs White-ra also telling him what whitera was doing and when.
Obviously this isn't everyone doing this, but this has become a pretty big problem without DND working correctly, and i can't remember when a minority of people became such assholes.

So to finish it off - the people that left the game when asked, thanks for respecting the players themselves and the tournament, and the viewers on the rest of the streams. As for the guys who spoilt the game - well, hope their legs fall off? %)


Few things that you should take into consideration, it wasn't yours nor TeamLiquid's tournament, so neither of you or Day9 have any rights to order people to gtfo a game, no matter what your reasons are.
These kind of decisions should be left to a razer-domination admin.

Second thing, Day9 wasn't the only streamer, I know it might seem weird considering how good his comments usually are, but some people either don't like hearing english, can't comprehend it, or don't appreciate Day9's way of commentating a game.
There were several hundreds people watching some of these different streams, so you can't simply order people to shut them down when you feel like it.
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-08 04:04:51
May 08 2010 04:02 GMT
#697
Few things that you should take into consideration, it wasn't yours nor TeamLiquid's tournament, so neither of you or Day9 have any rights to order people to gtfo a game, no matter what your reasons are.
These kind of decisions should be left to a razer-domination admin.

Second thing, Day9 wasn't the only streamer, I know it might seem weird considering how good his comments usually are, but some people either don't like hearing english, can't comprehend it, or don't appreciate Day9's way of commentating a game.
There were several hundreds people watching some of these different streams, so you can't simply order people to shut them down when you feel like it.

Playing without lag is holy as long as there's obses in the game anyone can ask them to leave. Clearly the admins fully agreed with all the requests. When it comes to lag an admin is an extension of a players experience. And yes an English stream is a lot more universal so it has privilege over anything else for that reason. These are things that are really obvious.
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TeWy
Profile Joined December 2009
France714 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-08 04:15:58
May 08 2010 04:13 GMT
#698
On May 08 2010 13:02 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Show nested quote +
Few things that you should take into consideration, it wasn't yours nor TeamLiquid's tournament, so neither of you or Day9 have any rights to order people to gtfo a game, no matter what your reasons are.
These kind of decisions should be left to a razer-domination admin.

Second thing, Day9 wasn't the only streamer, I know it might seem weird considering how good his comments usually are, but some people either don't like hearing english, can't comprehend it, or don't appreciate Day9's way of commentating a game.
There were several hundreds people watching some of these different streams, so you can't simply order people to shut them down when you feel like it.

Playing without lag is holy as long as there's obses in the game anyone can ask them to leave. Clearly the admins fully agreed with all the requests. When it comes to lag an admin is an extension of a players experience. And yes an English stream is a lot more universal so it has privilege over anything else for that reason. These are things that are really obvious.


Yes, it is obvious that an English TL member will always defend the English TL stream no matter what, but this is your personal opinion...
Try to make it a rule if you like, but don't blame people for not doing what you want them to do because these kind of attitudes wouldn't help professionalizing e-sports.
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-08 04:17:43
May 08 2010 04:16 GMT
#699
This is your personal opinion, try to make it a rule if you like, but don't blame people for not doing what you want them to do because these kind of attitudes wouldn't help professionalizing e-sports.

It's not personal opinion it's common etiquette part of the professional e-sport scene.
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Doomgaze
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden89 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-08 04:30:37
May 08 2010 04:28 GMT
#700
I feel for demuslim here.

I think the norm needs to change. It is simply much better for both parts (the players playing, and the people watching), if the replay instead of the actual match is streamed.

That would eliminiate unnecessary lag while at the same time make the game accessible to more streamers. Also with the extra benefit of the streamers being able to paus or slow down.

EDIT: Not to mention, it also eliminates the possibility of cheating.
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