I agree with Hyun, ZvT feels slightly Zerg favored in the moment but we're seeing quite a bit of Terran innovation lately so I'd rather wait to see how it plays out. Definitely disagree with Nerchio about biomine though, I think MMM + Hellbat Thor with a transition more and more into a mech composition looks a lot more solid as a 'standard' playstyle these days.

Interesting to see all the KR Zerg players saying SH isn't a problem in ZvZ. I have to agree with them, if your opponent tries to transition into SH from behind a baneling + anything bust will crush them (baneling ultra is niche but really effective, Hyun says Roaches).

Big J

Austria16289 Posts

May 20 2014 07:08 GMT

#65

Haha, soO's answers are so short but so true!

Anacreor

Netherlands291 Posts

May 20 2014 07:15 GMT

#66

Love this. Just goes to show that Koreans trust in the fact that there will be a counter for everything, even though it might take a while to find and a lot of effort to implement it in their play. I'm on their side with this, I think it's really awesome to see all players of a race working together to define a new meta. Thanks for the interviews.

MuazizTremere

Netherlands67 Posts

May 20 2014 07:22 GMT

#67

If only Blizz would actually try and fix the mess that's PvT instead of allocating resources on a futility like this...

But no, while they are worried about the occasional ZvZ going on forever, the viewers will have to content watching PvZ's and PvP's all day. Yawn.

klup

France612 Posts

May 20 2014 07:51 GMT

#68

First time I hear pro agree to a change that put them at disadvantage in one matchup (hellbat/hellion transfo servos) .

This change is seriously good for the game as it allows terran to mix up some strategies . Being very mobile with hellion in early mid game and still have core unit for the mid game is very cool as it allows terran to go for more aggressive build. This could be seen in both TvP and TvZ. Also it could bring back some hellbat drop love.

Nightwishone

Italy391 Posts

May 20 2014 07:57 GMT

#69

I like how Hydra said that the problem is Stephano's SH and when he plays against other koreans he doesn't stand a chance. I recall that Stephano almost beat Jaedong though.
Also, I'm sure I'm making some kind of horrible miscalcutation, but what if locusts cooldown was longer? Maybe they could even buff SH but give them a very long down time, so the zerg would be forced to unborrow and pull back much more.

chuiboy

55 Posts

May 20 2014 08:11 GMT

#70

I like the answers from the Koreans. They seem pretty consistent with my experience.

AaronChance

29 Posts

May 20 2014 08:15 GMT

#71

On May 20 2014 16:15 Anacreor wrote:
Love this. Just goes to show that Koreans trust in the fact that there will be a counter for everything, even though it might take a while to find and a lot of effort to implement it in their play. I'm on their side with this, I think it's really awesome to see all players of a race working together to define a new meta. Thanks for the interviews.

Because they interviewed zergs, most of which don't go late game swarm hosts. If they interviewed terran about ZvT, they'd probably get different answers. They simply don't face the situation these changes are planning to address.

stevorino

957 Posts

May 20 2014 08:37 GMT

#72

that jab at stephano's swarmhosts from hydra :D

igay

Australia1178 Posts

May 20 2014 08:43 GMT

#73

Always good hearing TLO's opinions on balance

mechengineer123

Ukraine711 Posts

May 20 2014 09:28 GMT

#74

Well you know, when people say their own race is "slightly favored", it's obviously much worse than that.

polpot

3002 Posts

May 20 2014 09:44 GMT

#75

I really like the koreans answer : "Swarmhost is fine, deal whit it" because that exactly how im thinking, i hope blizzard dont nerf them

FXOTheoRy

United States519 Posts

May 20 2014 10:16 GMT

#76

These are the same responses that happened during infestor broodlord times. If they fix swarmhosts by the time legacy of the void comes out people aren't going to look back say that swarmhosts weren't completely breaking the game...

FireCake

151 Posts

May 20 2014 11:00 GMT

#77

It is weird that nobody mention that ZvZ stalemate appeared because of the last patch.

Since the questions are mostly about SH why not asking these questions to SH players or people who frequently face these players (mech players for example) ?
It seems that Blizzard decided to patch the game because of some games from Stephano, would be nice to hear what he has to say about SH.

Tuczniak

1561 Posts

May 20 2014 11:09 GMT

#78

Korean's answers are so good.

boxerfred

Germany8360 Posts

May 20 2014 11:48 GMT

#79

On May 20 2014 20:00 FireCake wrote:
It is weird that nobody mention that ZvZ stalemate appeared because of the last patch.

Since the questions are mostly about SH why not asking these questions to SH players or people who frequently face these players (mech players for example) ?
It seems that Blizzard decided to patch the game because of some games from Stephano, would be nice to hear what he has to say about SH.

Actual problem is the spore buff, as the queen buff was in BL/infestor time. just my opinion.

SC2ShoWTimE

Germany722 Posts

May 20 2014 11:52 GMT

#80

weird to ask these players about this topic imo. non of the koreans sticks out as a good swarm hosts player to me(at least not in the turtle/mass static defense kind of way). nerchio never uses them, tlo only recently started playing with them and hendralisk doesnt seem to use them much either.

I mean it is still interesting to read what they think about it but I think there are better players to ask about this subject.