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Pro Opinions: Swarm Hosts and Hellbats - Page 4

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LastDance
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
New Zealand510 Posts
May 20 2014 06:15 GMT
#61
Damn it blizzard. Terran doesn't need any more bloody timing windows, we need some fundamental changes!!!!!
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6330 Posts
May 20 2014 06:41 GMT
#62
soO is like "nah I don't really care".
TranslatorIf you want to ask anything about Chinese esports, send me a PM or follow me @nerddigmouse.
Flonomenalz
Profile Joined May 2011
Nigeria3519 Posts
May 20 2014 06:56 GMT
#63
Koreans just like "meh".
I love crazymoving
Pursuit_
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States1330 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-20 06:58:42
May 20 2014 06:57 GMT
#64
I agree with Hyun, ZvT feels slightly Zerg favored in the moment but we're seeing quite a bit of Terran innovation lately so I'd rather wait to see how it plays out. Definitely disagree with Nerchio about biomine though, I think MMM + Hellbat Thor with a transition more and more into a mech composition looks a lot more solid as a 'standard' playstyle these days.

Interesting to see all the KR Zerg players saying SH isn't a problem in ZvZ. I have to agree with them, if your opponent tries to transition into SH from behind a baneling + anything bust will crush them (baneling ultra is niche but really effective, Hyun says Roaches).
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Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
May 20 2014 07:08 GMT
#65
Haha, soO's answers are so short but so true!
Anacreor
Profile Joined February 2013
Netherlands291 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-20 07:27:03
May 20 2014 07:15 GMT
#66
Love this. Just goes to show that Koreans trust in the fact that there will be a counter for everything, even though it might take a while to find and a lot of effort to implement it in their play. I'm on their side with this, I think it's really awesome to see all players of a race working together to define a new meta. Thanks for the interviews.
"Peter the Acretree chops some wood"
MuazizTremere
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands67 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-20 07:22:38
May 20 2014 07:22 GMT
#67
If only Blizz would actually try and fix the mess that's PvT instead of allocating resources on a futility like this...

But no, while they are worried about the occasional ZvZ going on forever, the viewers will have to content watching PvZ's and PvP's all day. Yawn.
klup
Profile Joined May 2013
France612 Posts
May 20 2014 07:51 GMT
#68
First time I hear pro agree to a change that put them at disadvantage in one matchup (hellbat/hellion transfo servos) .

This change is seriously good for the game as it allows terran to mix up some strategies . Being very mobile with hellion in early mid game and still have core unit for the mid game is very cool as it allows terran to go for more aggressive build. This could be seen in both TvP and TvZ. Also it could bring back some hellbat drop love.
Nightwishone
Profile Joined July 2012
Italy391 Posts
May 20 2014 07:57 GMT
#69
I like how Hydra said that the problem is Stephano's SH and when he plays against other koreans he doesn't stand a chance. I recall that Stephano almost beat Jaedong though.
Also, I'm sure I'm making some kind of horrible miscalcutation, but what if locusts cooldown was longer? Maybe they could even buff SH but give them a very long down time, so the zerg would be forced to unborrow and pull back much more.
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chuiboy
Profile Joined October 2011
55 Posts
May 20 2014 08:11 GMT
#70
I like the answers from the Koreans. They seem pretty consistent with my experience.
AaronChance
Profile Joined September 2013
29 Posts
May 20 2014 08:15 GMT
#71
On May 20 2014 16:15 Anacreor wrote:
Love this. Just goes to show that Koreans trust in the fact that there will be a counter for everything, even though it might take a while to find and a lot of effort to implement it in their play. I'm on their side with this, I think it's really awesome to see all players of a race working together to define a new meta. Thanks for the interviews.

Because they interviewed zergs, most of which don't go late game swarm hosts. If they interviewed terran about ZvT, they'd probably get different answers. They simply don't face the situation these changes are planning to address.
stevorino
Profile Joined April 2011
957 Posts
May 20 2014 08:37 GMT
#72
that jab at stephano's swarmhosts from hydra :D
[_] Terran [_] Zerg [_] Protoss [X] Random ------- Fantasy - hyvaa - sOs
igay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Australia1178 Posts
May 20 2014 08:43 GMT
#73
Always good hearing TLO's opinions on balance
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mechengineer123
Profile Joined March 2013
Ukraine711 Posts
May 20 2014 09:28 GMT
#74
Well you know, when people say their own race is "slightly favored", it's obviously much worse than that.
polpot
Profile Joined April 2012
3002 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-20 09:47:05
May 20 2014 09:44 GMT
#75
I really like the koreans answer : "Swarmhost is fine, deal whit it" because that exactly how im thinking, i hope blizzard dont nerf them
FXOTheoRy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States519 Posts
May 20 2014 10:16 GMT
#76
These are the same responses that happened during infestor broodlord times. If they fix swarmhosts by the time legacy of the void comes out people aren't going to look back say that swarmhosts weren't completely breaking the game...
oyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoy
FireCake
Profile Joined March 2013
151 Posts
May 20 2014 11:00 GMT
#77
It is weird that nobody mention that ZvZ stalemate appeared because of the last patch.

Since the questions are mostly about SH why not asking these questions to SH players or people who frequently face these players (mech players for example) ?
It seems that Blizzard decided to patch the game because of some games from Stephano, would be nice to hear what he has to say about SH.
Progamer
Tuczniak
Profile Joined September 2010
1561 Posts
May 20 2014 11:09 GMT
#78
Korean's answers are so good.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
May 20 2014 11:48 GMT
#79
On May 20 2014 20:00 FireCake wrote:
It is weird that nobody mention that ZvZ stalemate appeared because of the last patch.

Since the questions are mostly about SH why not asking these questions to SH players or people who frequently face these players (mech players for example) ?
It seems that Blizzard decided to patch the game because of some games from Stephano, would be nice to hear what he has to say about SH.

Actual problem is the spore buff, as the queen buff was in BL/infestor time. just my opinion.
SC2ShoWTimE
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany722 Posts
May 20 2014 11:52 GMT
#80
weird to ask these players about this topic imo. non of the koreans sticks out as a good swarm hosts player to me(at least not in the turtle/mass static defense kind of way). nerchio never uses them, tlo only recently started playing with them and hendralisk doesnt seem to use them much either.

I mean it is still interesting to read what they think about it but I think there are better players to ask about this subject.
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