EPTPro Opinions: Swarm Hosts and Hellbats - Page 2
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Axxis
United States133 Posts
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Waise
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GinDo
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
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Shinta)
United States1716 Posts
SH's aren't REALLY a problem, and Terran isn't REALLY at a disadvantage against Zerg. This looks like an interesting patch though, and I want to see games be played on it to see how it works out. I don't play SC2 anymore as I haven't even owned a computer for about 2 years, but I watch frequently and try to actually pay attention to what players are doing and why their strategies work or don't. I really agree with what TLO said, usually when people transition to SH, they are winning and choose SH as a strategy, but could also choose another strat and still win/kept their lead. When people are losing and switch to SH, usually simple scouting will enable the leading player to crush their transition. | ||
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SuperHofmann
Italy1741 Posts
btw, I think the same Snute's thing: Swarm Hosts a problem, but, in some match up, like ZvT with mech and a deep late game ZvP the are a necessity. | ||
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Dreamer.T
United States3584 Posts
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DaftFunk
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
Dunno if I'd agree that it's just a foreigner thing. I could see this spreading to Korea. The EU zergs were ahead of the curve in SH-turtle ZvP as well. iirc didn't Stephano attempt his SH style against Jaedong and almost beat him? He's like one of the best ZvZ players in the world too.. Also: Rather than looking at Swarm Hosts, I think it would be better if they tweaked Infestors. Right now the range on fungal growth is 10, but I think it would be okay to decrease the range a little and give back its bonus damage vs. armor. Fungal becoming weak is the reason that all we're seeing in ZvZ nowadays is all-roach fights. Hyun nailed it. The infestor may have ruined ZvP and ZvT in WoL, but ZvZ was way better back then. | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32746 Posts
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
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smashlloyd20
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neptunusfisk
2286 Posts
On May 20 2014 08:27 TL Strategy wrote: ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/images/race/SC2Z10.png) CJ_Hydra: I think Zerg have a slight advantage. SKT_soO: Zerg have a slight advantage. AX.Impact: Most Terrans think that it's good for Zerg, but if you understand the game well there's actually nothing that's especially good for Zerg. I read this as "Innovation beats me plz nerf terran  " | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17725 Posts
On May 20 2014 09:50 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Glad to see the zergs aren't as shameful as the Protoss players in admitting ZvT is slightly in favor of the zergs xD Dunno if I'd agree that it's just a foreigner thing. I could see this spreading to Korea. The EU zergs were ahead of the curve in SH-turtle ZvP as well. iirc didn't Stephano attempt his SH style against Jaedong and almost beat him? He's like one of the best ZvZ players in the world too.. Also: Hyun nailed it. The infestor may have ruined ZvP and ZvT in WoL, but ZvZ was way better back then. I think you're overestimating Jaedong's ZvZ, I don't think he'd do very well against top zergs in GSL and Proleague. | ||
Psione
United States45 Posts
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On May 20 2014 09:50 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Glad to see the zergs aren't as shameful as the Protoss players in admitting ZvT is slightly in favor of the zergs xD Dunno if I'd agree that it's just a foreigner thing. I could see this spreading to Korea. The EU zergs were ahead of the curve in SH-turtle ZvP as well. iirc didn't Stephano attempt his SH style against Jaedong and almost beat him? He's like one of the best ZvZ players in the world too.. Also: Hyun nailed it. The infestor may have ruined ZvP and ZvT in WoL, but ZvZ was way better back then. haha do you not remember how zvz was going at the end? It was turning into bl/hydra/infestor and was going just as bad as zvp. zvz was terrible in wol, early hots zvz was amazing with only muta wars :D | ||
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[Erasmus]
Australia286 Posts
On May 20 2014 10:30 blade55555 wrote: haha do you not remember how zvz was going at the end? It was turning into bl/hydra/infestor and was going just as bad as zvp. zvz was terrible in wol, early hots zvz was amazing with only muta wars :D Oh man, that Sniper vs. whoever GSL final... with the game with two groups of mass broodlord just facing off mid map. How was that not glorious.  | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On May 20 2014 10:30 blade55555 wrote: haha do you not remember how zvz was going at the end? It was turning into bl/hydra/infestor and was going just as bad as zvp. zvz was terrible in wol, early hots zvz was amazing with only muta wars :D No it wasn't. That was still a rarity for if it somehow got to a late game. At the end of WoL that happened in like what? Symbol vs RorO? Nestea vs DRG? For like 95% of the ZvZ games out there it was roach/infestor/hydra with ling/bane and mutas frequently seen in the early stages. Early HotS ZvZ sucked imo. Same problem we have now but more volatile. | ||
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marigoldran
219 Posts
"I have no problems with Swamhosts. When Stephano does it, I just kill him. Ho ho ho." | ||
Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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