[G] Cheese With Ease: Video Series - Page 3

On December 19 2012 11:28 MrLlama wrote:
So today I present to you a valid opener that some people might consider cheese but it's probably not. I think because you want to roach warren to go unscouted it is somewhat of a cheese but regardless it's a great zvt opener so I thought I'd make a video for it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qkr3Di40LOg

On December 20 2012 04:07 Hairy wrote:

I hope this doesn't seem to harsh, but I wish to give constructive feedback. I much preferred earlier episodes; this felt unplanned and disorganised.

The roach rush hit at ~7 mins and expired at 8:30 - why did we watch the rest of that game right up to 19 minutes? I don't need to see how that particular game panned out right to the end; I don't care if you win the game 20 minutes later, because it's almost irrelevant! To push this example to it's limits, it's similar to saying an eco 7 pool vs protoss is bad because you lost at the 30 minute mark, or a hatch first vs terran is bad because you got beaten by battlecruisers later on. All I want to see is what situation you'll most commonly find yourself in exiting the cheese, and give examples of good midgame followups. The build order wasn't even portrayed or described very precisely, so it kind of felt like "I built some roaches, they did some damage... I guess now I'm going to cast the rest of the game".

Ideally, I'd also like to know what builds this works best against, and which it does badly against. Are there circumstances you should abandon the build, or not engage with your roaches etc? How do we prevent the enemy scouting the build? What should we do if our opponent succeeds in scouting it - should we call it off immediately? I'd like to see several 1-2 minute game segments from a few different games, displaying the strike against a several different opponent builds (or even footage of the strike on multiple of the same build) so that we can see several engagements, and their subsequent gamestates.

I hope you keep making these, because some of the cheeses have been a blast.

On December 20 2012 04:07 Hairy wrote:

I hope this doesn't seem to harsh, but I wish to give constructive feedback. I much preferred earlier episodes; this felt unplanned and disorganised.

The roach rush hit at ~7 mins and expired at 8:30 - why did we watch the rest of that game right up to 19 minutes? I don't need to see how that particular game panned out right to the end; I don't care if you win the game 20 minutes later, because it's almost irrelevant! To push this example to it's limits, it's similar to saying an eco 7 pool vs protoss is bad because you lost at the 30 minute mark, or a hatch first vs terran is bad because you got beaten by battlecruisers later on. All I want to see is what situation you'll most commonly find yourself in exiting the cheese, and give examples of good midgame followups. The build order wasn't even portrayed or described very precisely, so it kind of felt like "I built some roaches, they did some damage... I guess now I'm going to cast the rest of the game".

Ideally, I'd also like to know what builds this works best against, and which it does badly against. Are there circumstances you should abandon the build, or not engage with your roaches etc? How do we prevent the enemy scouting the build? What should we do if our opponent succeeds in scouting it - should we call it off immediately? I'd like to see several 1-2 minute game segments from a few different games, displaying the strike against a several different opponent builds (or even footage of the strike on multiple of the same build) so that we can see several engagements, and their subsequent gamestates.

I hope you keep making these, because some of the cheeses have been a blast.

On December 26 2012 18:34 Bahku wrote:
No Terran builds yet? Check out StimmedProbe's TvZ 4thor rush, if you count a 2-base all-in as "cheese."

This is not a traditional "rush" since it follows a 1-rax FE, but it's pretty damn cheesy. Basically, 4 thors as fast as possible with a handful of marines, pull 20 SCV's on autorepair, and it's almost unstoppable with good execution. I did this build standard for a while, but it was just too easy to win with it so now I stay at home with the 4 thors for an impenetrable defense lol.

Check out this page for more info, build order & replays.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/StimmedProbe's_4xThor_Push