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[L][D] Visualizing Zerg Supply Blocks - Page 2

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Cereb
Profile Joined November 2011
Denmark3388 Posts
March 30 2012 12:51 GMT
#21
I love all these mathematical analysis of sc2
"Until the very very top in almost anything, all that matters is how much work you put in. The only problem is most people can't work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they don't have a real passion for. -Greg "IdrA" Fields
b0rt_
Profile Joined October 2011
Norway931 Posts
March 30 2012 13:00 GMT
#22
Good post. Have you got a graph for 3 min supply block? aka me
aerique
Profile Joined January 2012
Netherlands15 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-30 13:12:47
March 30 2012 13:12 GMT
#23
On March 30 2012 22:00 b0rt_ wrote:
Good post. Have you got a graph for 3 min supply block? aka me

You mean a supply block that lasts for three minutes or one at three minutes? If the former, at which supply do you want it?
aerique
Profile Joined January 2012
Netherlands15 Posts
March 30 2012 13:46 GMT
#24
On March 28 2012 02:29 Rannasha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 23:20 aerique wrote:
I could throw the script on-line if you're interested?

Yeah, if you don't mind, I'd love to take a look.

I've put the script online here: http://github.com/aerique/sc2-utils
b0rt_
Profile Joined October 2011
Norway931 Posts
March 30 2012 14:36 GMT
#25
On March 30 2012 22:12 aerique wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 22:00 b0rt_ wrote:
Good post. Have you got a graph for 3 min supply block? aka me

You mean a supply block that lasts for three minutes or one at three minutes? If the former, at which supply do you want it?

Could you do multiple blocks at different supplies that total about 2 mins? Say 28 supply, 44, 60? I expect many lower leagued players will have larger than one 40 sec block per game.
aerique
Profile Joined January 2012
Netherlands15 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-30 15:20:43
March 30 2012 15:18 GMT
#26
On March 30 2012 23:36 b0rt_ wrote:Could you do multiple blocks at different supplies that total about 2 mins? Say 28 supply, 44, 60? I expect many lower leagued players will have larger than one 40 sec block per game.

This is a graph with 40 second supply blocks at 28, 46 and 62:

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Although the graph at 330 seconds has me scratching behind the ears since we seem to be on equal footing at that point but with more minerals for the supply blocked graph! I don't have time to take a better look at it but I assume the blue graph has more overlords, queens and maybe even an extra hatchery at that point.
PeanutsNJam
Profile Joined April 2011
United States175 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-30 16:10:54
March 30 2012 15:58 GMT
#27
I'm not going to lie, I think there's something wrong with the graph. It could be:

larva timing
queen injects timing (if there are queens)
building queen timings (3rd hatch before or after 2nd queen?)
hatchery timings (just 2 or 3 hatches?)

You need to show the difference between the integrals of the minerals mined for both. That's the most important thing. How much more money has blue accumulated than red? It should be a boatload.

It's odd that red has the same # of workers and more minerals at the 330-360 range. And more in the order of 500 minerals, so it's overlords/hatcheries/queens. If blue has 500 minerals (a hatchery, queen, and half an overlord) more than red, the supply difference needs to be more than 10. I think this graph is vastly understating the damages of supply block.
aerique
Profile Joined January 2012
Netherlands15 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-30 16:11:15
March 30 2012 16:10 GMT
#28
On March 31 2012 00:58 PeanutsNJam wrote:
I'm not going to lie, I think there's something wrong with the graph.
[...]

Thanks for your comments. It'll be a couple of days before I can spend more time on this again but I agree that graphing the available amount of minerals at a certain time is not useful.
PeanutsNJam
Profile Joined April 2011
United States175 Posts
March 30 2012 16:26 GMT
#29
It's impressive you managed to write a script like this, but to be accurate you have to come up with something that rivals the Starcraft 2 script.

I think it'd be much easier to get a replay of Stephano doing his 3 hatch ZvP opening, get a replay of a bronze/silver player attempting the same thing, and plot the data points. Using excel to make best-fit lines. Up to 8 minutes.
Micket
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2163 Posts
March 30 2012 16:36 GMT
#30
Would be interesting to see what the graph for Terran would look like. I'm not sure but I have a hunch the effect of a single supply block would be more severe on Terran.
Snoodles
Profile Joined March 2012
401 Posts
March 30 2012 21:06 GMT
#31
On March 27 2012 22:08 Tobberoth wrote:
Man, if you spent as much effort in playing the game as analysing it, you wouldn't be in bronze

That said, good job, it's always nice with some statistical information for future arguments on the forums.


You just described the entire reddit community!
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