• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 07:12
CEST 13:12
KST 20:12
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2914Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16)44Reynor: GSL Loss Wasn't About Preparation Format16[IPSL] Spring 2026 Grand Finals - This Weekend!5Weekly Cups (July 6 - 12): Protoss strike back12BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion8
StarCraft 2
General
Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) [D] Wireframe Casting Removed Clem: "I don't have that much hope in Blizzard" Reynor: GSL Loss Wasn't About Preparation Format Is the larve respawn broken?
Tourneys
Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) WardiTV Summer Cup 2026 GSL CK #5 Race War RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event HomeStory Cup 29
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 534 Burning Evacuation Mutation # 533 Die Together Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family
Brood War
General
ASL22 General Discussion BW General Discussion Pros Debate: Zerg Unfairly Nerfed? (ASL S22 map) Etiquete rules in Asl? Recent recommended BW games
Tourneys
Escore Tournament - Season 3 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [IPSL] Spring 2026 Grand Finals - This Weekend!
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread MLB/Baseball 2023 McBoner: A hockey love story Tennis[sport] Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard?
TL Community
Northern Ireland Global Starcraft The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
The Experiences We Want and …
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7249 users

[H][L] Help with Baneling Bust T v Z

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Strategy
Post a Reply
Licks
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada2 Posts
January 17 2012 19:28 GMT
#1
Hi everyone,

First time poster here, long time lurker!

I've been having trouble with baneling bust recently. Even if I scout it or expect it and prepare for it I just fail miserably at stopping it. Here is an example of a game where I thought I was prepared for it but didn't go my way:

http://drop.sc/94179

Should I stay on one base untill I get more tank? I feel I need to expand ASAP since my oponent will out macro me if I don't.

Anyway, thank you in advance for the help.

P.S. I'm french so sorry if my english is bad
Restrider
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany129 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-17 19:43:07
January 17 2012 19:40 GMT
#2
If the Zerg is 1 basing, it's obvious you have to survive the bust by staying on one base yourself. As the Zerg is kind of All-In you will be in a good position after you successfully survive the bust, even if you are on one base, too.

If the Zerg is doing a bust on 2 bases it gets kind of tricky for me too, I have to admit. Especially on maps with wide open Naturals. Usually they scout my attempt to expand quite fast and decide to make a 2 base aggression (baneling/roach/ling). Hard to hold imho, even with several bunkers.
Generally I would suggest to get tanks and focus the banelings or get a Banshee and try to kill the banelings, when he is out on the map or morphing them somewhere outside of his own base, where he can't defend them with queens.

As I usually play a 1-1 marine (with stim/shield) double medivac drop after a 1 Rax gasless FE, these busts kill me frequently, because I don't have enough tech to deal with such attacks costefficiently. I guess you have to get the info early enough to decide to tech up, in order to get tanks.

€: Removed typos and mistakes.
Flannelz
Profile Joined September 2011
United States14 Posts
January 17 2012 19:52 GMT
#3
Your problem has nothing to do with his composition. In fact, that wasn't even a baneling bust.

You sit on one base for a long, long time with nothing to show for it. You start a command center @ 8:30, this is too late for any sort of standard play. The Zerg gets 2 base off a ~15 hatch and by virtue of a that, he has a higher income and can out produce you.

Get a build off a Day9 daily or some thread, and that will help you.
EnderSword
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada669 Posts
January 17 2012 23:34 GMT
#4
Hello,

Did this little video for you, I do echo the idea that your composition wasn't really the issue, but more overall strategy and macro capacity.

Take a look and tell me what ya think.



EnderSword Bronze-Silver-Gold Analysis Channel
Bronze/Silver/Gold level Guides - www.youtube.com/user/EnderSword
Licks
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada2 Posts
January 18 2012 02:27 GMT
#5
Thank you for the feedbacks guys! Oh and thank you for that video! Didn't expect something like that. Sounds like I have a lot to work on. Thx!
EnderSword
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada669 Posts
January 18 2012 02:58 GMT
#6
If you have another interesting replay down the road, shoot me a PM
Bronze/Silver/Gold level Guides - www.youtube.com/user/EnderSword
xTrim
Profile Joined April 2011
472 Posts
January 18 2012 11:22 GMT
#7
OK.... so here goes my advice... i'm a high masters terran, and the only times i am 2-base busted are the ones explained below..

first an analysis on what "map control" is:

- Map control is not only having your units out in the map giving vision. Exerting map control is a state of the game when one player limits its opponents choice regarding whether he should move out or not/how many units he needs to make in order to get aggressive and not get crushed by your "unknown" force/etc. Therefore, by having map control you usually deny zergs ability to all-in you without you having a glimpse of what is going on. By not exerting map control you give zergs the possibility to do all sorts of stuff without you even knowing.

A rushed siege tank build order does not give you any map presence at all. Period. There are 2 builds that gives you good map control, and they are reactor hellion FE and 2 rax pressure FE (this one I wouldn't recommend, because after your marines are dead you lose map control...). There was a very good thread explaining the details of the "Standard reactor hellion play in tvz".

-----------------------

- Secondly, scouting: It seems you are silver league player, so don't get overwhelmed by all the things you have to do... Believe me, I have troubles with scouting, army movements, engagements, composition... All the time! There's always room for improvement. So by scouting I mean you have to check: is he pooling before hatching? how early? is he going hatch before pool? what is his pool/gas timing after that? is it taking too long to make a pool? maybe a greedy 2x hatch first? is he researching speed after hatch first - pool - gas? did he take off the drones after that? many times zergs can forget to take drones out of gas after 100 gas to start researching speed, but always keep in mind that if drones are not pulled back there's always the possibility to see fast gas units being produced (banelings, really fast lair tech, roaches, etc)...

In this game your zerg opponent did not pull his drones off gas, so you, once again, had no clue about what was going on. Had you had scouted him around 4 mins (where ling speed is not done yet, so you can sneak a SCV to his base) you'd have seen the baneling nest. By using a reactor hellion opening, you can delay the all-in or even completely avoid it. If your hellions get shooed away (best case scenario, so they fight lings after the banes bust the front)/cleaned up (horrible, horrible case) by a nasty number of lings, then you have a good chance that the all-in is coming, and have enough to hold it.

--------------------

- Thirdly, as I mentioned, the only times I was busted were when I had no map presence... Simply put, zerg is free to do whatever they want if you give them map presence. I was surprised that when I was in low diamonds I'd face zergs and they had 4 bases in 15 minutes with 80 drones. I thought - "how the fuck can I stop that?".. But that was lack of map presence... If you deny that to zergs, they will have to think much more about either droning or making an army, because one wave of drones that are not army could mean winning or losing the game.
EnderSword
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada669 Posts
January 18 2012 23:09 GMT
#8
The map presence and scouting just go so well against zerg for so many reasons...it helps you get out of the 'under siege' mentality...It lowers the time required for you to do a cross map push, and it can help you clean up Zerg creep off the map.

Ask yourself every minute or so 'Do I know what he's doing, and do I know where his army is?' if the answer is No to either, try to find out.
Bronze/Silver/Gold level Guides - www.youtube.com/user/EnderSword
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
CranKy Ducklings
10:00
Master Swan Open #105
CranKy Ducklings34
LiquipediaDiscussion
RSL Revival
09:00
Season 6 - Group D
Clem vs Lambo
Scarlett vs Cure
Tasteless1395
Ryung 1004
ComeBackTV 653
IntoTheiNu 228
Rex122
3DClanTV 84
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Tasteless 1395
Ryung 1004
Lowko295
SortOf 132
Rex 122
BRAT_OK 48
RotterdaM 25
MindelVK 22
RushiSC 3
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 2060
Shuttle 1338
firebathero 988
Jaedong 540
Horang2 508
Hyuk 362
BeSt 317
Mini 260
Stork 170
Killer 170
[ Show more ]
Larva 145
Last 127
Hyun 118
Leta 96
ZerO 88
Pusan 82
Rush 80
ggaemo 69
Aegong 44
JYJ 43
Free 39
Sharp 38
ZergMaN 37
Hm[arnc] 30
sorry 27
hero 26
yabsab 24
Shine 22
JulyZerg 21
soO 17
HiyA 16
ajuk12(nOOB) 11
IntoTheRainbow 10
Barracks 9
Noble 8
Dota 2
Gorgc1535
XcaliburYe361
League of Legends
Doublelift1520
JimRising 386
Reynor88
Counter-Strike
byalli503
Other Games
gofns13478
singsing1781
B2W.Neo327
Happy249
XaKoH 141
RuFF_SC225
ZerO(Twitch)7
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2227
BasetradeTV7
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH348
• LUISG 24
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP5
• Adnapsc2 5
• epiclan5
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
• Pr0nogo 3
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos1739
• Stunt536
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Invitational
48m
Epic.LAN
1h 48m
IPSL
4h 48m
Dragon vs Hawk
RSL Revival
21h 48m
Classic vs Trap
herO vs SHIN
Sparkling Tuna Cup
22h 48m
OSC
1d 1h
IPSL
1d 4h
Bonyth vs Ret
WardiTV Weekly
1d 23h
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
PiGosaur Cup
3 days
[ Show More ]
The PondCast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
CrankTV Team League
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
CrankTV Team League
5 days
Korean StarCraft League
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S3: W3
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E2

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
YSL S3
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
SCTL 2026 Spring
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W4
ASL S22 SEASON OPEN Day 2
Escore Tournament S3: W5
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E3
Logitech G Connect 2026
StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.