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aXa
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
France748 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-17 09:12:58
August 17 2011 08:49 GMT
#41
Hey shoooryuken, i can't update the 9 pool ZvP thread because it's outdated. It maybe works in diamond but it certainly doesn't in master, protoss learned to react properly with ease. (And the ling/bling/ultra compo is now vastly used, by morrow and destiny mainly, i can't pretend having a better strat than them).

Abyssal Cavern has short rush distance and a far, far 3rd, quite hard to hold. The Xel naga Tower is near impossible to hold with a melee unit like a zergling, the paths are narrow and it's hard to get a surround with speedling because of rocks blocking most of the ways around.

Against 11 overpool, i let my zergling die, then i don't wall off with queens until my roaches are out. Then i'm safe.

Add aXa 687
shoooryuken
Profile Joined May 2011
France14 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-17 10:48:46
August 17 2011 10:47 GMT
#42
thx for your rapidity

9pool on ZvP, for me, is just a way to expand quickly without photon rush..., while leaving me the opportunity to scoot and maybe create an overreact. 1/2 game i 'm just pop 2 glings and 2 drones and not 6 glings and an extractor trick just before the overlord.
The composition ling/bling/ultra was a very big evolution of my game and I am grateful.

for abyssal cavern, i dont share the same feelings but is not the subject of this thread and i dont want to troll this.

Ok for the 11 overpool, i'll try 9pool quickly (and i'll contact this week end if you are connected)


Thx for all (again )
Magus.423
Profile Joined July 2011
France33 Posts
August 17 2011 11:43 GMT
#43
I'm an user of your ZvP 9 pool. It works great in diamond, i can't tell for the master level.

I'll try your ZvZ 9 pool. Thanks for this guide !
No whine, just play.
bmn
Profile Joined August 2010
886 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-17 12:50:51
August 17 2011 12:50 GMT
#44
On August 17 2011 19:47 shoooryuken wrote:
thx for your rapidity

9pool on ZvP, for me, is just a way to expand quickly without photon rush..., while leaving me the opportunity to scoot and maybe create an overreact. 1/2 game i 'm just pop 2 glings and 2 drones and not 6 glings and an extractor trick just before the overlord.
The composition ling/bling/ultra was a very big evolution of my game and I am grateful.

for abyssal cavern, i dont share the same feelings but is not the subject of this thread and i dont want to troll this.

Ok for the 11 overpool, i'll try 9pool quickly (and i'll contact this week end if you are connected)


Thx for all (again )


Also slightly off-topic, but I recommend using the 11overpool for ZvP if you often don't even build any lings. It's a lot more economic than 9pool, and the lings get out just in time to kill the scouting probe. (Usually they don't even build a pylon if they see early pool, but they still leave the probe, and would block your nat if you didn't build a pair of lings.
If the pylon is already there, extractor trick + 4 lings (two sets instead of one) to take it down more quickly, and to take down any gateway block he might try.)
aXa
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
France748 Posts
August 17 2011 13:57 GMT
#45
Hey guys, i updated the OP, there is VOD available, casted by Day9 during After Hours Gaming League !
galtdunn
Profile Joined March 2011
United States977 Posts
August 17 2011 14:40 GMT
#46
O.o good guide. I will definitely try this as a alternative to my wacky ZvZ.
Currently editing items in the DotA 2 wiki. PM for questions/suggestions.
Qxz
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada189 Posts
August 17 2011 16:47 GMT
#47
Small typo, you wrote Nezarim Crypt rather than Nerazim Crypt.
aXa
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
France748 Posts
August 17 2011 19:04 GMT
#48
Thx. I saw that i wrote have instead of has. Shame on me..
aXa
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
France748 Posts
August 18 2011 12:38 GMT
#49
Hey guy's, here a new replay against a weird 9 pool fast speedling, similar to a 11 pool i guess.

[url blocked]
oSaRon
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-18 17:36:52
August 18 2011 17:29 GMT
#50
Thanks, I like how be blames the lag
Thraundil
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark278 Posts
August 20 2011 14:17 GMT
#51
Phew. I adopted this strategy after a rough patch in mirrors, and I gotta say it really works wonders. Only one time I messed it up and lost, other than that im 6 for 7 with it... The followup roach push is so gruesome if he just droned slightly too much.
Hivemind! Just like IRL...
XcelShark
Profile Joined November 2010
Bulgaria17 Posts
August 21 2011 10:12 GMT
#52
Great thread axa! I will start applying it on ladder soon ^^.
Choose life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose good health, low cholesterol and dental insurance. Choose fixed- interest. Choose your future. Choose life... But why would I want to do a thing like that...
aXa
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
France748 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-22 12:18:35
August 21 2011 10:49 GMT
#53
Thx! Another great replay 9 pool vs hatch first

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and hatch first vs hatch first

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vs mass speedling agression:

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shoooryuken
Profile Joined May 2011
France14 Posts
August 25 2011 18:02 GMT
#54
cool thx for the new replays
amacwhinnie
Profile Joined August 2010
21 Posts
August 26 2011 16:39 GMT
#55
mebe im missing it but do you scout for where to send lings on 4 palyer maps and if so when?
aXa
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
France748 Posts
August 26 2011 17:10 GMT
#56
It's in the OP, take a better look
amacwhinnie
Profile Joined August 2010
21 Posts
August 30 2011 20:57 GMT
#57
ops and sorry for taking your time when i was being stupid. anyhow it was your fault really all i wanted was scout at 10/10 buy you had so much detail i didn't see it
great write up thanks
Ponyo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1231 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-30 22:41:42
August 30 2011 22:41 GMT
#58
Awesome guide dude. I really liked your original 9 pool build and used it for a lot of my whole learning process of ZvZ. Really awesome on small and 2player maps.
ponyo.848
OxyFuel
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada195 Posts
September 03 2011 05:05 GMT
#59
Great write up! I'm going to be working on doing this consistently in zvz from now on.
Flash | Boxer | qxc | KawaiiRice | LuckyFool | Avilo
lowallyn
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada84 Posts
September 08 2011 23:08 GMT
#60
I saw the zvt thread and searched your name for this thread as well =D

thankyou so much it's helped my zvz quite a bit
Eat bitter.
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