Hey shoooryuken, i can't update the 9 pool ZvP thread because it's outdated. It maybe works in diamond but it certainly doesn't in master, protoss learned to react properly with ease. (And the ling/bling/ultra compo is now vastly used, by morrow and destiny mainly, i can't pretend having a better strat than them).

Abyssal Cavern has short rush distance and a far, far 3rd, quite hard to hold. The Xel naga Tower is near impossible to hold with a melee unit like a zergling, the paths are narrow and it's hard to get a surround with speedling because of rocks blocking most of the ways around.

Against 11 overpool, i let my zergling die, then i don't wall off with queens until my roaches are out. Then i'm safe.

Add aXa 687

shoooryuken

France14 Posts

August 17 2011 10:47 GMT

#42

thx for your rapidity

9pool on ZvP, for me, is just a way to expand quickly without photon rush..., while leaving me the opportunity to scoot and maybe create an overreact. 1/2 game i 'm just pop 2 glings and 2 drones and not 6 glings and an extractor trick just before the overlord.
The composition ling/bling/ultra was a very big evolution of my game and I am grateful.

for abyssal cavern, i dont share the same feelings but is not the subject of this thread and i dont want to troll this.

Ok for the 11 overpool, i'll try 9pool quickly (and i'll contact this week end if you are connected)

Thx for all (again

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Magus.423

France33 Posts

August 17 2011 11:43 GMT

#43

I'm an user of your ZvP 9 pool. It works great in diamond, i can't tell for the master level.

I'll try your ZvZ 9 pool. Thanks for this guide !

bmn

886 Posts

August 17 2011 12:50 GMT

#44

On August 17 2011 19:47 shoooryuken wrote:
thx for your rapidity

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Also slightly off-topic, but I recommend using the 11overpool for ZvP if you often don't even build any lings. It's a lot more economic than 9pool, and the lings get out just in time to kill the scouting probe. (Usually they don't even build a pylon if they see early pool, but they still leave the probe, and would block your nat if you didn't build a pair of lings.
If the pylon is already there, extractor trick + 4 lings (two sets instead of one) to take it down more quickly, and to take down any gateway block he might try.)

aXa

France748 Posts

August 17 2011 13:57 GMT

#45

Hey guys, i updated the OP, there is VOD available, casted by Day9 during After Hours Gaming League !

galtdunn

United States977 Posts

August 17 2011 14:40 GMT

#46

O.o good guide. I will definitely try this as a alternative to my wacky ZvZ.

Qxz

Canada189 Posts

August 17 2011 16:47 GMT

#47

Small typo, you wrote Nezarim Crypt rather than Nerazim Crypt.

aXa

France748 Posts

August 17 2011 19:04 GMT

#48

Thx. I saw that i wrote have instead of has. Shame on me..

aXa

France748 Posts

August 18 2011 12:38 GMT

#49

Hey guy's, here a new replay against a weird 9 pool fast speedling, similar to a 11 pool i guess.

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oSaRon

United States2 Posts

August 18 2011 17:29 GMT

#50

Thanks, I like how be blames the lag

Thraundil

Denmark278 Posts

August 20 2011 14:17 GMT

#51

Phew. I adopted this strategy after a rough patch in mirrors, and I gotta say it really works wonders. Only one time I messed it up and lost, other than that im 6 for 7 with it... The followup roach push is so gruesome if he just droned slightly too much.

XcelShark

Bulgaria17 Posts

August 21 2011 10:12 GMT

#52

Great thread axa! I will start applying it on ladder soon ^^.

aXa

France748 Posts

August 21 2011 10:49 GMT

#53

Thx! Another great replay 9 pool vs hatch first

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and hatch first vs hatch first

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vs mass speedling agression:

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shoooryuken

France14 Posts

August 25 2011 18:02 GMT

#54

cool thx for the new replays

amacwhinnie

21 Posts

August 26 2011 16:39 GMT

#55

mebe im missing it but do you scout for where to send lings on 4 palyer maps and if so when?

aXa

France748 Posts

August 26 2011 17:10 GMT

#56

It's in the OP, take a better look

amacwhinnie

21 Posts

August 30 2011 20:57 GMT

#57

ops and sorry for taking your time when i was being stupid. anyhow it was your fault really all i wanted was scout at 10/10 buy you had so much detail i didn't see it

great write up thanks

Ponyo

United States1231 Posts

August 30 2011 22:41 GMT

#58

Awesome guide dude. I really liked your original 9 pool build and used it for a lot of my whole learning process of ZvZ. Really awesome on small and 2player maps.