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Kinky
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States4126 Posts
April 08 2011 02:54 GMT
#21
On April 08 2011 11:36 Saracen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2011 11:35 redFF wrote:
Lol now im terrified to post in the strat forum.

Excellent

Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14220 Posts
April 08 2011 02:57 GMT
#22
On April 08 2011 11:11 Saracen wrote:

[*]If your thread is about a new strategy and you do not have a damn good analysis (with replays) (i.e. I think your thread is too theorycrafty), you can play against me in a BO3 with your strategy. If you lose, you will be BANNED.
]


wow thats an epic rule sounds really really good and something I would watch
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Whole
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States6046 Posts
April 08 2011 02:57 GMT
#23
On April 08 2011 11:52 jalstar wrote:
I completely disagree with macro being the only thing necessary to get to a high level.

Maybe in some matchups, but in volatile matchups like TvZ (both sides) only macroing and never looking at your army will get you a quick loss. Making the wrong unit comp will get you a quick loss. Not knowing the proper response to all common cheeses will get you many losses.

So my response to:

Show nested quote +
If I watch your replay and there are obvious flaws (macro, micro, etc.) in your game that contribute to your loss, you will be BANNED (Hint: read the Analyzing Replays thread and the How to Improve thread). Why? Because if you care enough about your gameplay to clutter up the Strategy Forum with another [H] thread, then you care enough to spend time by yourself to actually improve.


is that it takes time to improve macro and micro, and some people would actually like to win games while improving.


I think Saracen is talking about people who post about why they lost when it was obvious that they just A-Moved in a situation where they needed to micro or just got massively out-macroed and those factors were the reason of the loss.
Defeat
Profile Joined March 2010
United States476 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-08 03:00:58
April 08 2011 03:00 GMT
#24
Might I suggest another forum/subforum for people seeking help, sort of like how the Fan Clubs and User Streams are for the TL Community section. It would be used to post replays and ask what said person did wrong and other replay analysis.Then keep the strategy section purely for such threads as CecilSunkure's PvT 3 gate expo and others along those lines.
"the metagame has really evolved to the point where the best chance to win the metagame is to game the metagame" -Bags
Tennet
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1458 Posts
April 08 2011 03:00 GMT
#25
Awesome! Gonna be nice when the strategy forum can be read again.
"The harder it gets, the more you need to focus on the basics." - Seo Gyung Jong
Saracen
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5139 Posts
April 08 2011 03:00 GMT
#26
On April 08 2011 12:00 Defeat wrote:
Might I suggest another forum/subforum for people seeking help. It would be used to post replays and ask what said person did wrong and other replay analysis.Then keep the strategy section purely for such threads as CecilSunkure's PvT 3 gate expo and others along those lines.

We're discussing it.
RAGEMOAR The Pope
Profile Joined February 2011
United States216 Posts
April 08 2011 03:08 GMT
#27
I think there's a balance issue with posters being too OP on this forum. Hopefully with the new patch the banhammer will cometh and bring the forum up to par.

Can't wait to see what the forum looks like after some purging. Keep up the good work admins.
MuteZephyr
Profile Joined August 2010
Lithuania448 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-08 03:12:48
April 08 2011 03:12 GMT
#28
On April 08 2011 11:11 Saracen wrote:
If your thread is about a new strategy and you do not have a damn good analysis (with replays) (i.e. I think your thread is too theorycrafty), you can play against me in a BO3 with your strategy. If you lose, you will be BANNED.


This is my favorite part :D
Will you please post the replays when you're done winning as a grim reminder to all aspiring challengers?

I'm happy to see these changes. I might visit the strategy forum for actual strategy now that it won't be littered with "you lost cuz *** is IMBA".

Thanks!
I don't Micro, I FEMTO. That's 9 orders of magnitude more extreme.
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
April 08 2011 03:12 GMT
#29
Um... you said you are a lazy banling -_-;;

gl hf
AirbladeOrange
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2574 Posts
April 08 2011 03:15 GMT
#30
I like this initiative, thanks!
Mailing
Profile Joined March 2011
United States3087 Posts
April 08 2011 03:17 GMT
#31
If you sneeze while making a new topic, you will be BANNED.



Joking, Saracen.

I just read this forum and I know how hard modding it has been the last few months for you all.
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michaelhasanalias
Profile Joined May 2010
Korea (South)1231 Posts
April 08 2011 03:19 GMT
#32
thank god.
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iamke55
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States2806 Posts
April 08 2011 03:20 GMT
#33
On April 08 2011 11:57 Whole wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2011 11:52 jalstar wrote:
I completely disagree with macro being the only thing necessary to get to a high level.

Maybe in some matchups, but in volatile matchups like TvZ (both sides) only macroing and never looking at your army will get you a quick loss. Making the wrong unit comp will get you a quick loss. Not knowing the proper response to all common cheeses will get you many losses.

So my response to:

If I watch your replay and there are obvious flaws (macro, micro, etc.) in your game that contribute to your loss, you will be BANNED (Hint: read the Analyzing Replays thread and the How to Improve thread). Why? Because if you care enough about your gameplay to clutter up the Strategy Forum with another [H] thread, then you care enough to spend time by yourself to actually improve.


is that it takes time to improve macro and micro, and some people would actually like to win games while improving.


I think Saracen is talking about people who post about why they lost when it was obvious that they just A-Moved in a situation where they needed to micro or just got massively out-macroed and those factors were the reason of the loss.


Saracen just wants more people to read Plexa's thread on how to analyze replays so they can help themselves and not clutter the forum. Too often there are [H] threads made here by frustrated/lazy people who refuse to do their own work analyzing games. Here is a typical template for such posts:

thread title: "[H]pvz is impossible"
thread content: "omg this matchup is driving me nuts how do you win??? I've tried everything but can never win! can you guys watch my replays? should I add more high templars and motherships???
link to replay 1 (replay shows the guy failing DT rush, then gets outmacro'd 2 base vs 5 base)
link to replay 2 (replay shows the guy floating 3000 minerals and getting crushed)
link to replay 3 (replay shows the guy doing some weird ass build he's clearly never practiced before, gets attacked and dies)
link to replay 4 (replay shows the guy failing an unoptimized 4 gate build because he used right click instead of attack move and lost all his units for nothing)
(all replays show him QQing about balance instead of saying gg at the end)"

I'm sure you've seen many threads like this before. It is apparent upon watching just one of their replays that they didn't watch their own replays even once, didn't look at the how to improve thread, didn't look at Plexa's analyzing replays thread, never looked up their build on liquidpedia, and most likely hasn't touched the strategy forum guidelines.
During practice session, I discovered very good build against zerg. -Bisu[Shield]
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
April 08 2011 03:23 GMT
#34
On April 08 2011 11:11 Saracen wrote:
[*]If your thread is about a new strategy and you do not have a damn good analysis (with replays) (i.e. I think your thread is too theorycrafty), you can play against me in a BO3 with your strategy. If you lose, you will be BANNED.


Time to make a strategy forum topic:

[G]99 ways to make your opponent leave the game
whiterabb1t
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium681 Posts
April 08 2011 03:24 GMT
#35
On April 08 2011 11:11 Saracen wrote:

[*]If your thread is about a new strategy and you do not have a damn good analysis (with replays) (i.e. I think your thread is too theorycrafty), you can play against me in a BO3 with your strategy. If you lose, you will be BANNED.


Just out of curiosity... what if I win/roflstomp you? Will you self BAN yourself or something?

I agree with this, strats have to be legit and tested and not lazy garbage.
DivinO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4796 Posts
April 08 2011 03:25 GMT
#36
Totally agree with the must read Cecil's thing first.

LiquipediaBrain in my filth.
Resistentialism
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada688 Posts
April 08 2011 03:37 GMT
#37
Please get someone to stream one or two theorycraft grudge matches that you think would be interesting
Kar98
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia924 Posts
April 08 2011 03:40 GMT
#38
Well I think I might just stick to lurking then
Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5913 Posts
April 08 2011 03:44 GMT
#39
On April 08 2011 12:24 whiterabb1t wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2011 11:11 Saracen wrote:

[*]If your thread is about a new strategy and you do not have a damn good analysis (with replays) (i.e. I think your thread is too theorycrafty), you can play against me in a BO3 with your strategy. If you lose, you will be BANNED.


Just out of curiosity... what if I win/roflstomp you? Will you self BAN yourself or something?

I agree with this, strats have to be legit and tested and not lazy garbage.


Lol, as awesome that is, we don't want to be encouraging troll posts to get the mods to ban themselves.

However, I would support a tourney with mods vs noobs where loser is temp banned for a day.
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Zachatron
Profile Joined October 2010
United States33 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-08 04:15:57
April 08 2011 03:49 GMT
#40
As a relatively new participant of the TL community, this is quite intimidating! I really hope I don't screw up. Great rules though. They will hopefully help maintain a level of professionalism amongst the users, myself included. I particularly enjoy the part where you will be facing off against people who are theorycrafting without actual testing. =]

Edit: I've been watching the forums for about an hour now, and.. crudely put, you guys are really on top of this shit lol. I can't help but laugh when I see a thread pop up and immediately vanish because someone chose to ignore a [!] thread. If only the community would be more mindful and attentive. You gentlemen (and ladies??) really do have your work cut out for you.
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