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OPSavioR
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1465 Posts
October 28 2010 12:04 GMT
#41
On October 22 2010 06:38 Kolvacs wrote:
You actually can support 5 gateways.
You just chrono probes.

Whats the point of this post?

A 4warpgate drains 105% of your income if that base is Fully saturated. So a 5Gate is more of an All-In just hold off and he will be dead.
i dunno lol
Lobber
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada414 Posts
October 28 2010 14:21 GMT
#42
By going 5 gate you can support a full zealot sentry without any stalkers, and, if you're macro is bad or you want to better focus on battles when they occur it allows for more attention to them between building units...
You are not your APM, you are not you ladder ranking.
osten
Profile Joined March 2008
Sweden316 Posts
October 28 2010 14:49 GMT
#43
Nobody is perfect, that's why. It's really smart to get more gates because of this. I'd do it if I was toss.
GoldenH
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1115 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-28 15:41:47
October 28 2010 15:37 GMT
#44
It is possible to get use out of 4.5 gateways if you are alternating between sentry/zealot and stalkers....

Excessive maths follow

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816 minerals + 228 gas / minute 13.6 / 3.8

zealot: 100 min / 0 gas / 28 sec 3.5 / sec
sentry: 50 min / 100 gas / 32 sec 1.6 / sec , 3.1 /sec
stalker: 125 min / 50 gas / 32 sec 3.9 / sec , 1.6

Build 5 stalker : money 0/0

32 seconds later: 435 min 121 gas
wait 1 second, build 4 zealot and a sentry. 0 min 25 gas left

28 seconds later: 380 min 131 gas
wait 7 seconds, 475 min 157.6 gas
build 3 stalkers + 1 zealot

32 seconds later: 435 min 129 gas
wait a second, again 4 zealot and a sentry...

Every 68 seconds: 5 zealot + sentry + 3 stalkers.


with a 4 gate,

4 stalker : money 0/0
32 seconds later: 435 min 121 gas
build 4 zealot
28 seconds later: 415 min 227 gas
wait 6 seconds: 500 min 250 gas
build 4 stalkers
32 seconds later: 435 min 171 gas
Build 4 zealot
28 seconds later: 415 min 277 gas
wait 1 second, build 3 stalkers + sentry

Every 66 seconds, 4 zealots 4 stalkers
Every 60 seconds, 4 zealots 3 stalkers + sentry
Every 126 seconds, 8 zealots 7 stalkers 1 sentry

Every 274176 seconds: 1088 zealot, 952 stalkers, 136 sentries

Ratio of 1 zealot : .875 stalker : .125 sentries

Every 68 seconds: 5 zealot + sentry + 3 stalkers.
Every 136 seconds: 10 zealot + 2 sentry + 6 stalkers

Every 274176 seconds: 1260 zealots, 756 stalkers, 252 sentries,
Ratio of 1 zealot : .6 stalkers : .2 sentries


.93 5 WG : 1 4WG

4 WG: Ratio of 1 zealot : .875 stalker : .125 sentries Value: 215.6 / 56.3
5 WG: Ratio of 1 zealot : .6 stalkers : .2 sentries Value: 185 / 50

In conclusion 4 WG simply is a better use of your money if you're building in waves. You can always chronoboost a gateway, too, to make 4WG better, and it is wasted with a 5WG.
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