• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 03:37
CEST 09:37
KST 16:37
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Progenitors4Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun13[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors16[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists22
Community News
RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event10Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results12026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers25Maestros of the Game 2 announced92026 GSL Tour plans announced15
StarCraft 2
General
Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists MaNa leaves Team Liquid
Tourneys
StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) $1,400 SEL Season 3 Ladder Invitational RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) SC2 INu's Battles#15 <BO.9 2Matches>
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 524 Death and Taxes The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 523 Firewall Mutation # 522 Flip My Base
Brood War
General
[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Progenitors Why there arent any 256x256 pro maps? BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ ASL21 General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro8 Day 3 [ASL21] Ro8 Day 2 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread OutLive 25 (RTS Game) Dawn of War IV Nintendo Switch Thread Daigo vs Menard Best of 10
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Can Diabetes Be Reversed or Cured Permanently? European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread 3D technology/software discussion
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Movie Stars In Video Games: …
TrAiDoS
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1318 users

[D] SC2 - fewer bases, less macro - than BW? - Page 2

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Strategy
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 All
[RB]Black
Profile Joined July 2004
United States55 Posts
July 05 2010 14:02 GMT
#21
each mining base is only worth 30 food max 24 for full saturation on minerals and 6 on gas. how often do you have more than 3 saturated bases mining all at once? I transfer as soon as i can from multiple bases to keep probe production up in all nexi.

If you play heavy macro style there does get to be a point where you will eventually stop making probes, but i don't think that would happen in many games. I never stopped to analyze how many probes I made in BW, but I would imagine it to be similar.

With the warp in ability protoss shouldn't have to worry about having too many probes especially since storm is available asap on a warpin.
zealot/temp/stalker/archon composition is brutal. Just have enough warpgates...
[RB]Black
Profile Joined July 2004
United States55 Posts
July 05 2010 14:04 GMT
#22
why do we want to increase viability of defensive macro oriented play... I think esports wants to see aggressive macro oriented play.

constant pressure and expo when you pressure...
Toads
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada1795 Posts
July 05 2010 14:05 GMT
#23
This is normal about people don't expend a lot yet. Most of them try to find the good army composition and try to be confortable in so situation. When they will feel ready we will see more expend like we saw with Sc/Bw
(。◕ ω ◕。) Beer Time !!!! (。◕ ω ◕。)
LaLuSh
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden2358 Posts
July 05 2010 14:20 GMT
#24
The way the macro mechanics are designed makes it beneficial for certain races to play certain styles.

The terran macro mechanic for example, benefits aggressive 1 or 2 base play, and makes it very hard for the opposing race to expand without being under tremendous pressure. If the terran manages to keep you on the same amount of bases, he will have an advantage.

Same for protoss in PvZ. They have a stronger 1base timing due to their macro mechanic and the strength of their units.

For Z, they have to expand to make proper use of their macro mechanic.

All of the mechanics accelerate game play as well, which makes it harder to expand. It rather instead forces players to continue making units, because timing attacks are stronger in SC2 than in BW.
liaf
Profile Joined April 2009
Norway318 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-05 14:27:47
July 05 2010 14:26 GMT
#25
I think one of the main reasons are the maps. If the players have about 3 bases each then there are usually only a couple of expos left on the map. The exceptions are the 4-player maps, but on them we often see longer more macro intensive games. I think we only need to give SC2 some time so people get better at defending early pushes and all-ins and that will lead to longer games.
♥ Snute ♥ Scarlett ♥ Jaedong ♥ KeeN ♥
MonkeyKungFu
Profile Joined June 2010
Norway154 Posts
July 05 2010 14:45 GMT
#26
I think this will change when the maps will allow it, as in larger maps and expos are easier to defend
..
Prev 1 2 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 23m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech133
StarCraft: Brood War
Bisu 2009
Zeus 671
Killer 663
Leta 139
Hm[arnc] 139
SilentControl 77
JulyZerg 36
yabsab 30
soO 24
GoRush 17
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm124
League of Legends
JimRising 598
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox1154
Other Games
summit1g9810
WinterStarcraft648
C9.Mang0436
ceh9371
monkeys_forever189
RuFF_SC229
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick668
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream60
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 12
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Rush1182
• Lourlo1128
• TFBlade759
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
1h 23m
Afreeca Starleague
2h 23m
Jaedong vs Light
Wardi Open
3h 23m
Monday Night Weeklies
8h 23m
Replay Cast
16h 23m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 2h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 2h
Snow vs Flash
WardiTV Invitational
1d 3h
SHIN vs Nicoract
Solar vs Nice
GSL
2 days
Classic vs Cure
Maru vs Rogue
GSL
3 days
SHIN vs Zoun
ByuN vs herO
[ Show More ]
OSC
3 days
OSC
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Escore
4 days
The PondCast
4 days
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
Zoun vs Ryung
Lambo vs ShoWTimE
Replay Cast
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
SHIN vs Bunny
ByuN vs Shameless
WardiTV Invitational
5 days
Krystianer vs TriGGeR
Cure vs Rogue
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
5 days
BSL
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Cure vs Zoun
Clem vs Lambo
WardiTV Invitational
6 days
BSL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-05-02
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
SCTL 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026

Upcoming

YSL S3
Escore Tournament S2: W6
KK 2v2 League Season 1
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
Escore Tournament S2: W7
Escore Tournament S2: W8
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.