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zarge
Sweden8 Posts
So I'm an average protoss player in plat, and I have huge trouble with zergling rushes. Even if I have an early scout and I get to see the pool up early, I'm not fully sure how to deal all the lings as they come running shortly after. What's the most standard response as a Protoss player? | ||
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Leeoku
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Backpeddle
Denmark33 Posts
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rezoacken
Canada2719 Posts
Usual responses : - Faster Gateway (10 or 11) - Blocking ramps with first zealot and buildings (you might consider blocking reinforcements, only the 4-6 first zergling should be a threat). - Chrono Zealots - Second gate if money permits and the flow of zergling is non-stop (but your ramp should be blocked by now). - Fight with probes too, kite with probes, probes move fast enough and a 6pooling zerg will be behind economicly, therefore losing a few probes is okay. | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
The only map where 8 pooling is strong is Steppes of War (Incineration Zone too maybe, not sure about the exact timing on there) because he'll get his first 6 lings into your base before your first zealot pops out. It all comes down to micro at that point, if you can keep him from killing too many probes and secure your ramp again, you'll be ahead. | ||
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Seltsam
United States343 Posts
You have to be careful, though, as 6 lings can potentially take out that one zealot. Try to have a second one building when the first one is engaging the zerglings, and position that second zealot to be able to wall off so that if the first one dies, it doesn't open up a gap for the zerglings to squeeze through. | ||
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rosasquatch
13 Posts
I don't even wall in, at the beginning at least, because I always feel like having to run my probe over to my ramp sets me too far behind, this might be just me though, and it might be terrible advice. But regardless, 1 zealot and your probes should be enough to hold off 6 lings if they make it in your base, but you should be making more zealots while hes in your base too. I have a replay that I can post, but I need bnet to be up to find it. also, as Orome said, this shouldn't be a problem as long as you aren't set close to your opponent on a 1v1 map. | ||
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zarge
Sweden8 Posts
The rushes that really gets me is those 8-pool all in on close spawn, when the lings are in the base when the zealot pops. But I'm going to try that non-walling off and just try to get the gate up near nexus asap and see if that might help. What about sim city the base, sealing between nexus and gas with a gate and blocking behind the mineral patches with a pylon and then holding off the rush "inside" the mining area? also, if the lings keep rolling in, is it worth it to try to throw up a second gate or a forge? | ||
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rosasquatch
13 Posts
edit: the "sim city base" thing seems like it would work if you have a stalker or two, but I would imagine that it would be hard with zealots, because the lings could just attack buildings from the side not occupied by your units, and if you ran them around then the lings would just run around the other side, but it might work, I really don't know. | ||
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Alsn
Sweden995 Posts
On May 24 2010 05:29 zarge wrote: If you scout an 8-pool you should be able to see the lings coming with your scouting probe(either by the pool being finished when you arrive or just physically seeing the lings), simply bring 4-5 probes to your "gap" in your wall and rally your first zealot so that he spawns near the gap, at which point you can bring your probes back. Even if you lose 5-6 probes(replace them if too many die before the zealot is finished) you should be economically ahead if you kept building probes during the attack.Thanks for all the good tips! The rushes that really gets me is those 8-pool all in on close spawn, when the lings are in the base when the zealot pops. But I'm going to try that non-walling off and just try to get the gate up near nexus asap and see if that might help. What about sim city the base, sealing between nexus and gas with a gate and blocking behind the mineral patches with a pylon and then holding off the rush "inside" the mining area? also, if the lings keep rolling in, is it worth it to try to throw up a second gate or a forge? | ||
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Fruscainte
4596 Posts
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rbkl
772 Posts
honestly 6 lings early is nothing some probes cant handle | ||
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Zidane
United States1685 Posts
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LaustinSpayce
United Kingdom58 Posts
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tercet
Canada24 Posts
But since the roach nerf, most zerg I play fast expand, and then go dual base mass lings and usually overwhelm me. So should I just abandon void rays now and just get lots of zealots sentries? | ||
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Kime
United States17 Posts
I like to scout zerg as early as possible to watch for the super quick ling rush. If I see it coming and I know I won't have a good defense in place before they arrive, I'll block off my ramp entirely with a forge. The trick is to NOT use a pylon to help block the ramp, because it does not have enough HP to survive the ling attack. Block off with your gateway and forge, and build a cannon or two behind the wall. Two cannons will kill everything on the other side of the wall without making you frantic, costing you probes, or disrupting your economy. Later on, you can just use the cannons to blow up your forge or gateway so you can get out. Both buildings are only 150 minerals, which is a small price to pay to avoid economic ruin. This tactic also works well when you detect a zealot rush coming. Just build a couple of cannons and have them blow away the zealot rush. If you already have a few zealots, you don't even need to block off your ramp 100% because your zealots will delay the enemy long enough for the cannons to kill them all. I've found that 8 out of 10 zealot rushers will throw their zealots into the cannons anyways because they have no other ideas besides the rush. The best case scenario for you as the defender is to have your cannons wipe out his attackers with no losses to yourself. There are also lots of situations where he'll try your wall and give up after losing a few units, which puts you well ahead since you did not sacrifice your economy for a failed attack. If he flinches away from the cannons before losing anything, your cost on the cannons and his cost to his economy make things about even. A lot of high level players have a mental block against using cannons at all, and maybe at the high altitude Diamond plateau they play on they are correct. But for everyone below Diamond level, a couple of cannons in reaction to a rush will hurt him a lot more than it hurts you. Even if it all works out as an economic tie, you get to keep the cannons and the forge. They deter future attacks, they are detectors, and they back up your defenders on your ramp. | ||
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Xrace
United States43 Posts
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slowmanrunning
Canada285 Posts
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shinigami
Canada423 Posts
If you get caught by too many zerglings while running around on the map, don't forget to back your zealots into a wall to prevent a full surround. | ||
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