• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 23:55
CET 05:55
KST 13:55
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !10Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win4Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump1Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced15
StarCraft 2
General
ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career ! Micro Lags When Playing SC2? When will we find out if there are more tournament Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview
Tourneys
$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $100 Prize Pool - Winter Warp Gate Masters Showdow Winter Warp Gate Amateur Showdown #1 RSL Offline Finals Info - Dec 13 and 14!
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Klaucher discontinued / in-game color settings Anyone remember me from 2000s Bnet EAST server? How Rain Became ProGamer in Just 3 Months FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle
Tourneys
[BSL21] LB QuarterFinals - Sunday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] WB SEMIFINALS - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Beyond All Reason Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
The Games Industry And ATVI US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
The (Hidden) Drug Problem in…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1287 users

[M] (4) Spark

Forum Index > SC2 Maps & Custom Games
Post a Reply
CharactR
Profile Joined January 2020
Canada108 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-06-02 22:29:17
June 02 2021 21:19 GMT
#1
The deco might not be great but I am actually somewhat proud of the concept, so I figured why not make a Team Liquid post?
I present to you...

[Char] Spark

Uploaded on: NA, EU, KR


Overview
[image loading]
4 player, all spawns enabled

Bounds + rush distances
+ Show Spoiler +
152X152 (23,104)
Close spawns
Main to Main:41 seconds
Ramp to Ramp: 33 seconds
Nat to nat: 29 seconds

Cross spawn
Main to Main: 44 seconds
Ramp to Ramp:38 seconds
Nat to Nat: 34 seconds.

My rambling thought process before I get to the concept (or just ignore this giant wall of text I know I would)
+ Show Spoiler +
Personally, I'm not a fan of limiting spawns on 4 player maps even if it is a useful way of limiting imbalance and/or randomness.

So instead I tried to limit the aspects of 4 spawn maps that screw people over while still keeping all spawns enabled

Ignoring maps in general for a second, Protoss is affected the most vs random players because it affects where they have to wall in different matchups and what else can screw them over in each matchup.

Now when it comes to 4 player maps who cares the most about the random scouting?

- For Terran, it's not a huge deal because worst-case scenario you send the scv to 2 empty bases and scout last with the reaper.

- Zerg doesn't really care so much either.afaik

- Protoss gets screwed over the most, most specifically when it's hard to scout early pools in PvZ due to the randomness of spawns and not being able to scout early enough.

Alright, so trying to take into account scouting + dealing with early pools let's see if we can try to mitigate this.

Mirrored maps vs rotational
Mirrored maps and rotational maps have their own limitations, but also pros

With mirrored maps you either have to:
- make really large maps to account for the close spawns
- make longer, bending routes to make the close spawns further
- disable close spawns and make a smaller map. (Which I Wanted to avoid)

but
there's no rotational imbalance, there might be a spawn imbalance depending on the map layout, but it will either be like you're playing on a normal mirrored or rotational 2's map.

With rotational maps the close spawns will always be the same:
but you have to deal with more pronounced spawn imbalance depending on the spawn.

so what I did is make a rotational map while trying to put the bases as close to a mirrored layout as possible to make expanding in any direction depending on where your opponent spawns easier.

I'm not pretending there's no spawn imbalance at all, just that this is my attempt at reducing it.


Features:
+ Show Spoiler +
2 building natural wall
+ Show Spoiler +
Wall #1
+ Show Spoiler +
Low surface area 2 building wall, archons can't pass
[image loading]

Wall # 2
+ Show Spoiler +
Higher surface area 2 building wall an archon can fit through.
Note that if the openings are against the debris an archon won't be able to fit through.
[image loading]
Adept is on hold position and the probe is unable to pass until the adept moves.


Remember when I said protoss has the hardest time dealing with fast pools on 4 player maps? I figured why not just give them a low surface area, Deathaura-styled 2 building wall? which would mitigate the effectiveness of early pool builds and it's not as bad if you're playing some random player if they're not Zerg because you have 1 less building to be potentially killed at the natural.


Main scout path + XNT + Speedzones
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Main scout path + XNT
By forcing the main scout path through the direct center early on and having them be watched by the all-seeing xelnaga tower, You can hold a unit at the center and potentially see any early attack that could come at you from any direction.

+ Speedzones
The new addition of speed zones makes this idea viable and (I feel) is used best on 4 player maps.
the problem with 4 player maps is that normally either
A. The map is huge so that the vertical/horizontal spawns aren't unreasonably close, but the cross spawns are super far.
or
B. The map isn't so big but the vertical/horizontal spawns are super rushy.

So the idea here is: make a fairly large 4player map But the use of speed zones cuts down the time it takes to cross the center of the map significantly. Which is an idea I stole from GSL Nautilus (Praise ATTX, god of 4 player maps)
.

Natural Debris
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
Depending on your race/matchup and choice of expansion direction, you may want to take down the debris to allow easier access to the outside middle expansions.



Concept
+ Show Spoiler +

The concept of this 4 player map is that you have 3 easy Kings Cove styled bases (depending on the spawns) and the scouting paths in the early game are forced through the direct center of the map completely in the view of a central xelnaga tower. However, the acceleration zones greatly reduce the scout time as you are taking a longer path through the middle. The map becomes more open as the blockades get taken down and open up more direct routes.
[image loading]
Creator of ladder maps: Altitude LE, Undercurrent (2v2), Crimson Research Lab (2v2), Sandstorm (3v3), Lexiphanicism (4v4), Floodplain (4v4)
sTYleZerG-eX
Profile Joined January 2010
Mexico473 Posts
June 02 2021 23:35 GMT
#2
How about a BW version of this Character? ^^
10%
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 4h 6m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft272
RuFF_SC2 224
NeuroSwarm 144
Ketroc 15
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 289
Leta 117
sorry 48
Hm[arnc] 29
ajuk12(nOOB) 25
Noble 24
Icarus 6
Dota 2
LuMiX1
League of Legends
JimRising 580
Counter-Strike
summit1g11232
minikerr41
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor138
Other Games
XaKoH 424
Maynarde153
ViBE59
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick908
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 102
• Mapu14
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• XenOsky 4
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo949
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
4h 6m
Wardi Open
7h 6m
Monday Night Weeklies
12h 6m
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
ByuN vs Solar
Clem vs Classic
Cure vs herO
Reynor vs MaxPax
Replay Cast
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

YSL S2
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
CSL Season 19: Qualifier 2
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22

Upcoming

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
Nations Cup 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.