[M] (2) Atheneum

On July 10 2012 23:26 Aunvilgod wrote:
Cute texturing of the center. Ulnar is definately underused.

I think this map is quite choked. I would love to see some analyzer pictures.

On July 11 2012 00:15 Penke wrote:
You know that cliff merging is possible right? With that you wouldn't get the small ledges around the man maid areas

On July 11 2012 00:24 OxyGenesis wrote:


Yeah, except none of the nice manmade protoss cliffs work very well on a space platform, hence the small ledges. That said, I actually kinda like the aesthetic, and if I put a bit more time in to it could probably make it look quite spiffy. Concentrating on the bigger problems right now though.

On July 11 2012 00:47 Aunvilgod wrote:


I think there are some Xel´Naga doodads that would be quite well- fitting. They are hard to use though. Maybe you could take a look at the map of that Xel´Naga spaceship mission of the single-player. Don´t ask me where to load it though.

I would definately wait until the basic design is finished too.

On July 13 2012 09:53 FlaShFTW wrote:
THE THIRD!!!!! AIYAHHHHHHHH too difficult to defend. the distance between the natural and third is too long. imo.

On July 13 2012 09:57 NewSunshine wrote:
I've spotted a much more fundamental problem: the main's resource line is in a terrible spot, it could easily be pummeled by siege tanks with a barracks for spotting. If you stretch the bounds a bit, the main can be pushed towards the boundaries and the mineral line can be put into a good spot. Incidentally, you'll also have room to put a new expansion up against the main, if you're into that sort of thing. It might work, since the expansions in the corners seem a bit close.

On July 13 2012 09:53 FlaShFTW wrote:
THE THIRD!!!!! AIYAHHHHHHHH too difficult to defend. the distance between the natural and third is too long. imo.

On July 14 2012 03:39 Mullet_Ben wrote:
I don't know, I think the third would be defensible where it is if it were less open. The proposed changes should help, but I would favor redesigning the entire third tbh. Trying to reinforce by a passage that exits behind the mineral line? Come on man. I would just push the third closer to the natural and then closing off the area in front of the third dramatically, perhaps by grossly enlarging the little highground area.

I like the idea of the high ground progressing upwards as you get to the center. I don't think the half bases in the center will be able to be taken, though. I think it would be better if you took out those bases and made the other half bases you just added into full expansions, but that's not really something you need to do. I also feel the center ramps should be enlarged. Right now there's a huge area on either side of the central path that's really risky to move around in because you can get flanked while there and have no avenue for retreating. Either enlarging the center ramps or offsetting them would help you escape from being flanked in the center.

On July 14 2012 23:55 ChaosRefined wrote:
really cool texturing. although it looks like the XNT isn't in the center of the doodead circle? I could just be a moron though

On July 19 2012 02:54 Mullet_Ben wrote:
Good changes. If you'll forgive my crappy MSPaint, here's what I mean by retreat paths, and a similar map for comparison:

Cloud Kingdom

Atheneum

I could just be paranoid, and I can't really be sure about the specifics in terms of the relative size of each map, but it would seem to me that the center path for cloud kingdom is wider, and the ramps are closer together, meaning you have greater opportunity to retreat if you are caught out of position. Widening the ramps, like you already did, should help considerably, and maybe now it isn't even a problem at all. I'm just worried that people will decide not to take that path at all for fear they will be flanked and trapped.

Anyway, the update is good, nothing but improvements. I like the half bases a bit better where they are now. Third still looks a little open to me, but it's probably workable how it is right now.

The Xel'Naga is actually in the middle but the circle is hovering in mid air. I thought it might be a nice aesthetic but I've not really tested it in a game setting.

On July 27 2012 09:26 ChaosRefined wrote:



OH okay, that's sweet then! What did you use for the circle btw?