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Tosster
Profile Joined August 2011
Poland299 Posts
April 04 2012 21:57 GMT
#41
I very like layout of this map, think its great and balanced, but guys... WE ARE PLAYING SC2, plz stop with this making BW, if you guys want to play brood war, just launch it. I think this would be great map with 8m2g. Sc2 gameplay need to evolve own way, and i think its nice now. 6m1hg trend will only split our community, thats the easiest way to make game less popular/interesting/less new maps. Sorry for going away from subject - map, which is very well done
Rkynick
Profile Joined December 2011
85 Posts
April 04 2012 22:16 GMT
#42
On April 05 2012 06:57 Tosster wrote:
I very like layout of this map, think its great and balanced, but guys... WE ARE PLAYING SC2, plz stop with this making BW, if you guys want to play brood war, just launch it. I think this would be great map with 8m2g. Sc2 gameplay need to evolve own way, and i think its nice now. 6m1hg trend will only split our community, thats the easiest way to make game less popular/interesting/less new maps. Sorry for going away from subject - map, which is very well done


The idea is that BW is a very good game, and so if SC2 is to become a better game it should be more like BW by finding the bits that make BW better than SC2 and applying them. Whether or not this is the way to make SC2 a better game is debatable, but you should not scorn them for trying to improve. (What I mean to say is that the motive is not to make SC2 into broodwar but instead to make SC2 into a better game, and so merely opening Broodwar does nothing to address the issue at hand)
honed
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada482 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-04 23:50:19
April 04 2012 23:49 GMT
#43
tau cross + match point


On April 05 2012 06:57 Tosster wrote:
I very like layout of this map, think its great and balanced, but guys... WE ARE PLAYING SC2, plz stop with this making BW, if you guys want to play brood war, just launch it. I think this would be great map with 8m2g. Sc2 gameplay need to evolve own way, and i think its nice now. 6m1hg trend will only split our community, thats the easiest way to make game less popular/interesting/less new maps. Sorry for going away from subject - map, which is very well done

blasphemy
Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
April 05 2012 00:14 GMT
#44
I think the first image is broken...
FOR GREAT JUSTICE! Bans for the ban gods!
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
April 05 2012 00:39 GMT
#45
On April 05 2012 06:57 Tosster wrote:
I very like layout of this map, think its great and balanced, but guys... WE ARE PLAYING SC2, plz stop with this making BW, if you guys want to play brood war, just launch it. I think this would be great map with 8m2g. Sc2 gameplay need to evolve own way, and i think its nice now. 6m1hg trend will only split our community, thats the easiest way to make game less popular/interesting/less new maps. Sorry for going away from subject - map, which is very well done

That is not the point of the FRB initiative.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=321242

Please read the entirety of this thread before commenting further.
IronManSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2119 Posts
April 05 2012 05:49 GMT
#46
On April 05 2012 09:14 Praetorial wrote:
I think the first image is broken...


I updated the overviews
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Tosster
Profile Joined August 2011
Poland299 Posts
April 05 2012 17:54 GMT
#47
On April 05 2012 09:39 Ruscour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 06:57 Tosster wrote:
I very like layout of this map, think its great and balanced, but guys... WE ARE PLAYING SC2, plz stop with this making BW, if you guys want to play brood war, just launch it. I think this would be great map with 8m2g. Sc2 gameplay need to evolve own way, and i think its nice now. 6m1hg trend will only split our community, thats the easiest way to make game less popular/interesting/less new maps. Sorry for going away from subject - map, which is very well done

That is not the point of the FRB initiative.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=321242

Please read the entirety of this thread before commenting further.


I know i have 0 chances posting my toughts here man, dont worry, and yes, i read it.
Tosster
Profile Joined August 2011
Poland299 Posts
April 05 2012 17:59 GMT
#48
On April 05 2012 07:16 Rkynick wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 06:57 Tosster wrote:
I very like layout of this map, think its great and balanced, but guys... WE ARE PLAYING SC2, plz stop with this making BW, if you guys want to play brood war, just launch it. I think this would be great map with 8m2g. Sc2 gameplay need to evolve own way, and i think its nice now. 6m1hg trend will only split our community, thats the easiest way to make game less popular/interesting/less new maps. Sorry for going away from subject - map, which is very well done


The idea is that BW is a very good game, and so if SC2 is to become a better game it should be more like BW by finding the bits that make BW better than SC2 and applying them. Whether or not this is the way to make SC2 a better game is debatable, but you should not scorn them for trying to improve. (What I mean to say is that the motive is not to make SC2 into broodwar but instead to make SC2 into a better game, and so merely opening Broodwar does nothing to address the issue at hand)



The thing is, sc2 units cost was designed for standard layout, so right now 6m1hg is not balanced, bcuz Terran on 1 base (6m1hg) =/= Protoss on 1 base =/= Zerg on 1 base. Same with 2,3,4,5 bases.
yakitate304
Profile Joined April 2009
United States655 Posts
April 05 2012 18:40 GMT
#49
On April 06 2012 02:59 Tosster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 07:16 Rkynick wrote:
On April 05 2012 06:57 Tosster wrote:
I very like layout of this map, think its great and balanced, but guys... WE ARE PLAYING SC2, plz stop with this making BW, if you guys want to play brood war, just launch it. I think this would be great map with 8m2g. Sc2 gameplay need to evolve own way, and i think its nice now. 6m1hg trend will only split our community, thats the easiest way to make game less popular/interesting/less new maps. Sorry for going away from subject - map, which is very well done


The idea is that BW is a very good game, and so if SC2 is to become a better game it should be more like BW by finding the bits that make BW better than SC2 and applying them. Whether or not this is the way to make SC2 a better game is debatable, but you should not scorn them for trying to improve. (What I mean to say is that the motive is not to make SC2 into broodwar but instead to make SC2 into a better game, and so merely opening Broodwar does nothing to address the issue at hand)



The thing is, sc2 units cost was designed for standard layout, so right now 6m1hg is not balanced, bcuz Terran on 1 base (6m1hg) =/= Protoss on 1 base =/= Zerg on 1 base. Same with 2,3,4,5 bases.


You say that you've read the thread but then go on to say that. It's made quite clear in the Barrin's thread that imbalances will spring up when applying 6m1hyg directly into StarCraft II as it is now. The point of getting people to embrace the idea is so that future versions of the game can be balanced around 6m1hyg as the standard. The point of the FRB Grand Tournament is to put the FRB concept to the test at a higher level (Ganzi, Axslav, Illusion, viBE, and many more) to not only showcase what we believe will happen in terms of more open gameplay, but also to see what the current limitations of the concept are. With money on the line, these pro players will likely do whatever they feel gives them the best chance to win, and this will help us take note of any imbalances that DO exist. Based on what is found, the idea can be refined AND FRB mapmakers can begin to take these things into account when designing the architecture of their maps.
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clever_us
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States329 Posts
April 06 2012 05:04 GMT
#50
forget about what blizzard wants/will do/whatever. if the game is better on these maps, which I believe it is, then the change will come. I BELIIEEEVE

this map in particular looks terrific to me
glhf <3
IronManSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2119 Posts
April 07 2012 22:36 GMT
#51
Currently working on a 8m2g version of Cross Point. Changing some things and adding aesthetics

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SC2 Mapmaker || twitter: @ironmansc || Ohana & Mech Depot || 3x TLMC finalist || www.twitch.tv/sc2mapstream
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
April 07 2012 22:53 GMT
#52
On March 26 2012 05:50 DYEAlabaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2012 05:42 Barrin wrote:
...That's right mapmakers. We can boycott 8m2g maps and force FRB to happen that way!!!

Mapmakers unite!

--

good map, glad to have it in pool. Nothing very innovative, pretty generic, but very solid, low CS. I wanted a map just like this in pool :D



Knowing Blizzard, you think that making only maps like this will help? I would think it's more likely that blizz will start making maps again. So much for all the work ESV et al. did to get into the ladder.

Work which you had no role to play. If the ESV mapmakers feels 6m is a good way to build new innovative maps, then Diamond will work towards incorporating them in the weeklies. After that anything is possible.
IronManSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2119 Posts
April 09 2012 21:48 GMT
#53
Hey guys, just an update.

I am creating a 8m2g version of Cross Point, while also overhauling pretty much the entire aesthetical scenery. Here's a couple things I worked on today while streaming

[image loading]

[image loading]
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FoxyMayhem
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
624 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-06 20:22:42
March 06 2013 19:56 GMT
#54
Hey IronMan, the OneGoal Project is now looking into the economy issues in SC2. Since our solutions is somewhat similar to 6m, and this map was our first choice for testing, would you interested in sharing the map file for that purpose?
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