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ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-09 14:43:04
January 16 2011 16:38 GMT
#1
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Eyon

Description:
One of the last unspoiled planets in the universe. Eyon was said to be the garden in where the Xel'Naga worked on their inner peace. When the universe went to war, the Xel'Naga tried to come back to this oasis of peace.


Map status:
Completed
Not published / Published on EU! / Published on US!


Last update:
27-01-2011


MotM #2:
Participated in Map of the Month tournament # 2

Scores:
Balance 5.9
Originality 5.8
Fun 5.3
Aesthetics 5

For a total of 22 out of 40. Getting better



Map images:

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Overview
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Angled
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Startspawn
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Ramp down to natural
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Natural
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3rd expo
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3rd expo rocks
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4th expo
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5th expo
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Gold expo
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Middle
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Xel'Naga Watchtower
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Road between 4th and 5th
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Oasis
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Ledge (epic hyena guard)
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Map analyzer images:

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Openness + XWT coverage
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Base to base
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Nat to nat
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Changelog:

v 1.4
  • Reworked the middle a little bit, the LOS blockers run thru a little further, added a new screenshot
  • Placed some leftover pathingblockers on areas like behind the 5th and behind the raised areas at the natural. Its not possible to drop anywhere thats of use, apart from the 4th, wich is intended
  • Reworked the rocks leading to the 4th expo, the LOS blockers now are in sync with the map
  • There were some crows missing when I booted and Ive eliminated some suspicious wildlife
  • Made the spawns a little larger by taking away some of the 3rd. Its minor but theres definately no more mainshooting from the 3rd with tanks now
  • The map will be published on the US (tnx lolish!)


old versions
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v 1.3
  • Added 2 Xel'Naga Watchtowers , one on each side of the map to improve scouting
  • Added 'backdoor' rocks to 3rd. Destroying them gives more space for your enemy to move between 3rd and 4th, but ofcourse also leaves it open to attacks more
  • Added LOS brush at above rocks, on the side of the 3rd
  • Tweaked the gold expansion a little to have no room for a runby when you hold the tower on that side of the map (however you need to keep your eye on it, its a very small piece of intel)
  • Put water where it should have been all along, some edges were missing
  • Added doodads to the water surrounding the map
  • Fixed a ramp access to the 4th, there was only one of the two ramps that big units could get on the highground
  • Finalized my addiction to Gee from the GenerationGirls
  • Removed a chunk of cliff near the 3rd, making it slightly harder to defend that expansion
  • Added birds because, lets face it, nature loves birds
  • Moved the ramp leading out of the main base one square closer to the big ramp (screenshot added) to improve wallins.
  • Updated some of the doodads to all be coherent with the theme of the map
  • Gave slightly more room to the main base, terrans were struggeling with building alot of buildings of 1 base (well theres ur problem)
  • Updated all the screenshots and descriptions that had anything to do with the changes


v 1.2
  • Moved the gold with the 4th. Gold is now in the middle and the 4th is now middle both sides
  • Some texturework redone
  • Added screenshot of the ledge at natural


v 1.1
  • Made the spawns closer to the ramp, without losing room to build
  • Moved one of the geysers in the natural to the main choke to cut tanking in half



Map gameplay:
The map has a quick to take natural and a relatively easy 3rd to take, since its pretty tucked back. However defending the 3rd might leave the backdoor rocks on your natural open for attack. Also the 3rd has its own destructible rocks that open up a new point of attack when destroyed. The 2 expansions slightly further away can be taken in the lategame, or quick to hide an expo.
The topleft and bottomright expansion are far away from your main base, but due to a smaller choke more easy to defend.

The gold is in the middle. Taking it requires some mapcontrol as ranged units can pick off workers if they have range. Luckily theres a Xel'Naga Watchtower to show any incomming attacks.

The map has a rather open middle , but still with enough blocking and gaps to not favour the zerg too much. The middle is the only area with brush, alto its not alot, just enough to hide the true strength of your army.

The further you go from the middle, the smaller the area to fight gets.


Why this map:
I started with a temple-like middle, and worked around that. As you can see, the temple is the only part of the map that didnt make the cut in the end. I had so much fun with the green lands and the natural way of it all, that i scrapped the middle and redid it with another expansion for both players. From MorroWs interview he stated that most maps either have tight chokes or too open spaces. He wanted a more balanced map on that part. Also a 3rd expo is a big issue on the current maps. I made my 3rd so that its easy to take. Tho holding it is totally based on how you and your opponent play. This is done to not make it too easy.


Other map info:
Playable area: 168 x 136
Terrainset: Bel'Shir
Players: 2
Zerglings died during production: 19289 19296


Replays and Testing:
Send replays to toitlefluff@gmail.com , I'd love to see how everyone likes the map!
Test all you can and want and let me know what u think is good or bad.

Final note:
Thanks for reading this far I put alot of thought and time into this map, I hope you guys n girls like it. Let me know what u think!
KCCO!
dezi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1536 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-16 16:55:32
January 16 2011 16:54 GMT
#2
Dunno why but kinda looks like a WC3 map :D
3rd fells really save in this one - still would like to see the ramps to the nat redone (45° angel facing the 3rd) and the main slightly repostioned (only the ressouces) do decrease the distance main - nat.

On January 17 2011 01:38 ihasaKAROT wrote:
[...]
Other map info:
Zerglings died during production: 19271

Nooooooooooooooooooooooo :D
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PaPoolee
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Netherlands660 Posts
January 16 2011 16:55 GMT
#3
I love you maps Karot <3 I'll try this out for sure, after I'm done laddering <3 loved your first map though! good job =>! will update when I'm done testing.
MicroMarine
Profile Joined January 2011
United States86 Posts
January 16 2011 16:57 GMT
#4
I'm not a mapmaker, but me and my friends like testing maps here and there.
It looks like a very nice map! Like dezi said, the third feels safe. As well as the natural and the main. That's not a bad thing, though!
Nicely done man!
You gotta micro your marines!
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
January 16 2011 16:58 GMT
#5
On January 17 2011 01:54 dezi wrote:
Dunno why but kinda looks like a WC3 map :D
3rd fells really save in this one - still would like to see the ramps to the nat redone (45° angel facing the 3rd) and the main slightly repostioned (only the ressouces) do decrease the distance main - nat.

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On January 17 2011 01:38 ihasaKAROT wrote:
[...]
Other map info:
Zerglings died during production: 19271

Nooooooooooooooooooooooo :D


I do have a wc3 background instead of sc1 , could be it

I've been thinking about the angled ramp towards third, but I'm afraid that would give the defending party a too easy time. Making it straight down like this requires that you either defend forward a little more, or make a choice defeding closer or further away. But lets see what the general opinion is
KCCO!
Lonyo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United Kingdom3884 Posts
January 16 2011 17:06 GMT
#6
Not too confident on the natural with respect to siege tanks (and possibly colo) taking down the gasses quite easily, especially since both are on the same exposed side, makes me think Steppes of War, but with 2 gasses at stake.

Looks pretty though, and lots of expansions etc which is always nice to see, rather than these tiny 2p maps.
HOLY CHECK!
Antares777
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1971 Posts
January 16 2011 18:09 GMT
#7
I think that the gold expansions is too easy to take for a gold expansion, even though it has rocks. I'd swap it with the expansion near the center of the map.

This is a really nice map though, very aesthetically pleasing.
Tonttu
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland606 Posts
January 16 2011 18:42 GMT
#8
I really like this map but I think gold should be in middle instead. That backdoor @ natural seems to be kind of unique but still I don't like that both gasses are on the same side and easily tankable.

But in general this looks cool!
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ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-16 19:35:44
January 16 2011 19:31 GMT
#9
Thanks for the tips there guys. Changed the following:

v 1.1
- Made the spawns closer to the ramp, without losing room to build
- Moved one of the geysers in the natural to the main choke to cut tanking in half


I want to hear some more peoples opinions on:

- the gold position (make aggro macrogames more a standard on the map vs making it harder to take by putting it in the middle)
- the rushdistances and general space on the map

edit: updated all the images where needed
KCCO!
MicroMarine
Profile Joined January 2011
United States86 Posts
January 16 2011 23:39 GMT
#10
Just a question, this map is called Eyon right?
I can't seem to find it in the custom map section...
You gotta micro your marines!
emc
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3088 Posts
January 16 2011 23:51 GMT
#11
this map looks really, really good. I think the 3rd base should have two entrances though, maybe somehow connect the 3rd and gold? You might have to shift the mineral/gas locations around a bit. Other than that, I really like the layout, looks like a big 1v1 map
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
January 17 2011 00:02 GMT
#12
On January 17 2011 08:39 MicroMarine wrote:
Just a question, this map is called Eyon right?
I can't seem to find it in the custom map section...


Cant find it either :<
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Antares777
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1971 Posts
January 17 2011 01:27 GMT
#13
On January 17 2011 09:02 FinestHour wrote:
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On January 17 2011 08:39 MicroMarine wrote:
Just a question, this map is called Eyon right?
I can't seem to find it in the custom map section...


Cant find it either :<


It's on EU.
Noise
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia47 Posts
January 17 2011 04:56 GMT
#14
Just by looking at it I think it looks awesome. Good distances and number of bases, though I think the middle bases should be gold without rocks. I like the backdoor natural rocks. And I especially like that the map has both tight and wide open areas, so it's up to the players to fight where they have the advantage. At least in principle, having not played it, I think this map is awesome.
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-17 10:45:28
January 17 2011 07:48 GMT
#15
Its not published yet on Bnet. When I publish it , it will be on EU.

Tnx for all the input guys! I rly apreciate it. I will move the gold to the middle and vica versa. But Im at work atm so that wont happen for a good few hours

edit: added status in OP
KCCO!
MicroMarine
Profile Joined January 2011
United States86 Posts
January 17 2011 11:44 GMT
#16
On January 17 2011 10:27 Antares777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2011 09:02 FinestHour wrote:
On January 17 2011 08:39 MicroMarine wrote:
Just a question, this map is called Eyon right?
I can't seem to find it in the custom map section...


Cant find it either :<


It's on EU.

Man, that sucks, I thought this would be a great map.
Any chance you could upload it to a link for download? (If that's possible)
You gotta micro your marines!
funcmode
Profile Joined June 2010
Australia720 Posts
January 17 2011 12:10 GMT
#17
Personally, I think it's a bit big for a 1v1 map. Despite this the overall layout and expansion routes are quite sound - I agree with swapping the gold and central expo's though.

My only other qualm is in regard to the varying height or noise of the terrain. While the depressed paths and hills look nice, it behaves quite bizarrely when you build on it (placing buildings flattens all of the terrain underneath it). It's purely aesthetic, but when terrain is as hilly as it is in this map you really notice it. Place a command centre on one of the paths and you'll see what I mean.
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ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
January 17 2011 12:26 GMT
#18
Man, that sucks, I thought this would be a great map.
Any chance you could upload it to a link for download? (If that's possible)


When I publish I'll see if someone wants to publish it for me on US aswell.

Personally, I think it's a bit big for a 1v1 map. Despite this the overall layout and expansion routes are quite sound - I agree with swapping the gold and central expo's though.

My only other qualm is in regard to the varying height or noise of the terrain. While the depressed paths and hills look nice, it behaves quite bizarrely when you build on it (placing buildings flattens all of the terrain underneath it). It's purely aesthetic, but when terrain is as hilly as it is in this map you really notice it. Place a command centre on one of the paths and you'll see what I mean.


Swapping the gold later today. The noise is indeed aesthetic, I flattend most of it to not have too much of a difference. When I playtest it more I will keep that in mind, thanks for the tip.


Another question from me to you all:

Someone said it was on EU , did you mean its there already, cus thats simple not possible. Also the comment from funcmode (build it and you will see) , is that tested on my map or just a comment in general?

tnx in advance
KCCO!
funcmode
Profile Joined June 2010
Australia720 Posts
January 17 2011 13:47 GMT
#19
On January 17 2011 21:26 ihasaKAROT wrote:
Another question from me to you all:

Someone said it was on EU , did you mean its there already, cus thats simple not possible. Also the comment from funcmode (build it and you will see) , is that tested on my map or just a comment in general?

tnx in advance

That was just a general comment, not something I've personally tested on this map. Map noise seems to always behave this way which is why I said it the way I did.

I can have a look as to whether it's on EU when I get home (in about 20mins) but if you've not uploaded it or sent it to anyone, then as you say it's probably not likely
@funcmode - TPW Mapmaking Team - theplanetaryworkshop.com
elkram
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States221 Posts
January 17 2011 14:53 GMT
#20
I feel that the map is good, but I feel it is too cramped for zerg players. One suggestion I have is making the unpathable valley between the natural and third and making that even in height with the land around it. This gives an open area for zerg to attack and flank as well as still have areas for protoss and terran to attack in chokes.

As for the gold I feel that should be put in the middle with rocks and the rocks for the 4th base should be removed because they seem to be out of the way. This is a big problem with DQ (you want to expand, but to do so involves removing rocks out of your attacking path). If you make it gold rocks in the middle then you have a place where a person can threaten the backdoor natural rocks as well as expand as well.

I haven't gotten a chance to play it yet because I'm US, but those are some quick critiques I can see, but overall there are a good number of expansions for 1v1 (not too many), expansions are both spread out and also protected (i.e. it favors a player who macros as well as multi-tasks really well by placing cannons/units to defend his spread out expos), and rush distances are pretty good to allow for early all-ins, but not give an insane advantage to a person who all-ins (such as the case with Steppes)
Tiger Tiger. burning bright, In the forests of the night; What immortal hand or eye. Could frame thy fearful symmetry?
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-17 15:21:31
January 17 2011 15:10 GMT
#21
Wow elkram tnx on that one. Your first point, what part exactly do you mean? Can you maybe post a circled example? Theres a little ledge comming from the natural leading a little to the 3rd, its not unpathable so im not sure you mean that one. Theres the possibility for roaches , spines , queens on there.

The gold will be swapped with the 4th in a few hours (worktime nearly over )

But thanks alot, I want to publish it on US so bad

edit: looking for one of the regulars to publish this on US when its done. PM me if you can, much appreciated!
KCCO!
CaptainCrush
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States785 Posts
January 17 2011 15:13 GMT
#22
wow, this looks really nice, bring it to the US!
Silv.user
Profile Joined November 2010
59 Posts
January 17 2011 17:45 GMT
#23
Very wc3 esq yes idd! Love the map.

Alltho criticism is always good as long as its constructive. I would suggest mb making a main path thru the middle, going out of your base here with a collosus/mech army looks very risky
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ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-17 19:27:56
January 17 2011 19:26 GMT
#24
UPDATE!

v 1.2
- Moved the gold with the 4th. Gold is now in the middle and the 4th is now middle both sides
- Some texturework redone
- Added screenshot of the ledge at natural
- Updated all screens where needed


@silv.user: I'm not sure I know what you mean...Basicly everything in the middle is a path from one side to the other, infact its the biggest open area on the map basicly Dont know if making it bigger helps. Perhaps I dont understand your question
KCCO!
elkram
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States221 Posts
January 17 2011 21:50 GMT
#25
On January 18 2011 00:10 ihasaKAROT wrote:
Wow elkram tnx on that one. Your first point, what part exactly do you mean? Can you maybe post a circled example? Theres a little ledge comming from the natural leading a little to the 3rd, its not unpathable so im not sure you mean that one. Theres the possibility for roaches , spines , queens on there.

The gold will be swapped with the 4th in a few hours (worktime nearly over )

But thanks alot, I want to publish it on US so bad

edit: looking for one of the regulars to publish this on US when its done. PM me if you can, much appreciated!



I'd like to circle what I'm talking about, but I'm horrible with picture editing. I actually just realized what I was talking about was in a picture -_- It is the oasis. I feel that the oasis just restricts movement/attack for zerg.
Tiger Tiger. burning bright, In the forests of the night; What immortal hand or eye. Could frame thy fearful symmetry?
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
January 18 2011 07:41 GMT
#26
Aaah thats what you mean. Im thinking about reducing the rocks in the below areas, to make the 3rd a liiiitle more open to attack. Playtest revealed its just a little too cramped:

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Its only going to be about 3 squares removed smallgridwise, but Im pretty sure that balances it perfectly there.

The oasis breaks the open area into 2 open areas. If I take that one out, its just 'the middle' and 'the rest'. Look at the oasis as the transition between the middle and the smaller areas.

I will keep it in mind for playtesting, see how players react to it. Tnx elkram!
KCCO!
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
January 19 2011 19:51 GMT
#27
Map is now Published on EU!

I'd like to hear your comments on how it plays. Replays if you can


still looking for someone willing to publish it on US, leave a msg!
KCCO!
PaPoolee
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Netherlands660 Posts
January 24 2011 15:44 GMT
#28
ihasakarot is such an attention whore! <3 love him though! but yeah i just tried the map with a fellow zerg player, the map play is awesome but i had trouble scouting because of the wide attack paths with no xel'naga towers! i suggest adding two xelnaga's to overlook the main attack paths next to the golds! terran drops and muta harass could be VERY hard to stop on this map, good job overall though! loved it.
dezi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1536 Posts
January 24 2011 16:59 GMT
#29
Laughing my butt of right now ^^
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baskerville
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
541 Posts
January 24 2011 17:26 GMT
#30
warcraf3 map indeed...
i think it's mostly the graphics that make us get this feeling

funcmode is spot on(as always), the "graphics" have to take second place way behind "layout issues", i'd even go so far as to say these should only be used on unpathable or tested overthoroughly (cause you don't want bugs ingame)
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ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-24 21:59:42
January 24 2011 21:15 GMT
#31
On January 25 2011 02:26 baskerville wrote:
warcraf3 map indeed...
i think it's mostly the graphics that make us get this feeling

funcmode is spot on(as always), the "graphics" have to take second place way behind "layout issues", i'd even go so far as to say these should only be used on unpathable or tested overthoroughly (cause you don't want bugs ingame)



Ive adjusted everything funcmode has said. The terrain is way 'flatter' now , building on it doenst screw up the terrain around it so thats not an issue when playing. The gold and other expansion have also swapped around to give it more balance. I will add some xelnaga towers to a location near the gold, im not sure where yet (input welcome).

Im currently playtesting it alot, with alot of different people. There havent been any comments yet on the aestethics being in the way of the play experience.

If that does happen, I will ofcourse look at it.

I agree with the 2nd place for looks , but if you can make it both work, hey why not

@dezi, I was waiting for someone to notice it, never thought it would be you you forgot to highlight the sadface in the bottomright tho
KCCO!
Friday_ger
Profile Joined January 2011
67 Posts
January 25 2011 15:28 GMT
#32
The sadface looks like it would be smoking :D

Like the Map too.

I'd place the Tower in the middle if its able to see the golds
If Not Place 2

Nice work :D
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-25 21:48:30
January 25 2011 21:44 GMT
#33
Big update!

v 1.3
  • Added 2 Xel'Naga Watchtowers , one on each side of the map to improve scouting
  • Added 'backdoor' rocks to 3rd. Destroying them gives more space for your enemy to move between 3rd and 4th, but ofcourse also leaves it open to attacks more
  • Added LOS brush at above rocks, on the side of the 3rd
  • Tweaked the gold expansion a little to have no room for a runby when you hold the tower on that side of the map (however you need to keep your eye on it, its a very small piece of intel)
  • Put water where it should have been all along, some edges were missing
  • Added doodads to the water surrounding the map
  • Fixed a ramp access to the 4th, there was only one of the two ramps that big units could get on the highground
  • Finalized my addiction to Gee from the GenerationGirls
  • Removed a chunk of cliff near the 3rd, making it slightly harder to defend that expansion
  • Added birds because, lets face it, nature loves birds
  • Moved the ramp leading out of the main base one square closer to the big ramp (screenshot added) to improve wallins.
  • Updated some of the doodads to all be coherent with the theme of the map
  • Gave slightly more room to the main base, terrans were struggeling with building alot of buildings of 1 base (well theres ur problem)
  • Updated all the screenshots and descriptions that had anything to do with the changes



The new version is Published on EU and im still looking for US publisher

so get testin let me know what u think about the map and the updates!
KCCO!
LoLIsh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States81 Posts
January 26 2011 03:14 GMT
#34
PM'ed you about publishing on the US servers.

Looks nice. Would love to test it.
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
January 27 2011 21:03 GMT
#35
Another update to the map:

v 1.4
  • Reworked the middle a little bit, the LOS blockers run thru a little further, added a new screenshot
  • Placed some leftover pathingblockers on areas like behind the 5th and behind the raised areas at the natural. Its not possible to drop anywhere thats of use, apart from the 4th, wich is intended
  • Reworked the rocks leading to the 4th expo, the LOS blockers now are in sync with the map
  • There were some crows missing when I booted and Ive eliminated some suspicious wildlife
  • Made the spawns a little larger by taking away some of the 3rd. Its minor but theres definately no more mainshooting from the 3rd with tanks now
  • The map will be published on the US (tnx lolish!)


Theres more I could do, but Ive decided I'll halt all updates till I get some testers feedbacks. Or incase of major bugs.

So yeah , US people, get testing (the map shud be up very soon, when LoLIsh reads his email )
KCCO!
LoLIsh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States81 Posts
January 28 2011 01:33 GMT
#36
Just uploaded the map to the US servers.

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