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Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27175 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-27 02:04:54
August 27 2009 01:19 GMT
#1
A terran vs A- zerg. Taken from an iCCup tournament pack. I enjoyed the game, lots of action on both sides.

Point of emphasis + Show Spoiler +
Zerg forgoes investing in heavy defense at his expos, deciding to spend the money on extra hatcheries to get away with one instead. Terran rubs out numerous expansions while simultaneously dealing with a large back door attack on his main. Zerg seemed to stall mid-game for a couple minutes when his supply dipped low, and that allowed the terran to mop up his main and get back into the middle of the map.

Let me know what you think.
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Monokeros
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States2493 Posts
August 27 2009 01:36 GMT
#2
Who is this playing? :O
Keep the Dream Alive twitch.tv/monokerros
Poeta *
Profile Joined March 2004
Peru278 Posts
August 27 2009 01:49 GMT
#3
KenZy vs Tarzon

Regarts
Pel boulevard dels somnis trencats ...
Monokeros
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States2493 Posts
August 27 2009 01:51 GMT
#4
Well I'd have to say that it was VERY action packed but the zerg disappointed me by not obeying the laws of advantage that I learned from Day[9], the main one being map control. Not to mention he got 1 carapace and then just stopped While the terran kept on truckin.
Keep the Dream Alive twitch.tv/monokerros
Stalker145
Profile Joined May 2009
United States8 Posts
August 27 2009 03:00 GMT
#5
Zerg's surround were awesome but like said before terran had vastly better upgrades
Stalker145
Profile Joined May 2009
United States8 Posts
August 27 2009 03:04 GMT
#6
Zerg's surround were awesome but like said before terran had vastly better upgrades
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
August 27 2009 05:39 GMT
#7
obviously these guys aren't pro and criticism is redundant but I have a few...

+ Show Spoiler +
zerg AND terran had hidden expansions on a map that consists of main bases, their naturals and 1 non natural per main.. = bad scouting by BOTH. Additionally the Z never tried to harrass the naked mineral expansion which is just absent minded. The zerg also didn't even try for hive until 19minutes in when the T had 3-3 and the Z suffered from no defiler/nydus/ups or ultras. Once he got em he was drained and trying to catch up.


Aside from those.. was an entertaining game for sure and definitely worth uploading. Thx mani
RaiZ
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
2813 Posts
August 27 2009 09:42 GMT
#8
Aside of upgrades, this is one of the reasons why i hate going ultras against m&m.
Much like going guards against goliats or wr8...
Sure, with a lot of gas and defiler it could rock but vessels just rape them. It's just a pain in the ass to somewhat "hide" defilers or put scourges everywhere.
Hydras / lurks / defiler on the other hand is deadly against few tanks.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth. Oscar Wilde
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
August 27 2009 09:57 GMT
#9
A- ?? You can get to A- with 2k overmins @10 minutes? Later he even hit 3k Oo
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-27 10:48:41
August 27 2009 10:45 GMT
#10
+ Show Spoiler +

Kenzy still need a bit more work on his macro and multi task late game but he is getting good :p

The transition to hive wasnt optimal and his hydralurk control seems to be better than ultraling+def too.
P-S Lack of upps
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
Ninja4ever.
Profile Joined March 2008
France231 Posts
August 27 2009 10:57 GMT
#11
You know, kenzy himseld told me that he played bad on this game.
You won't see him having so much minerals often for exemple, even though macro could be considered his weak point.
But yeah, his flanks are the best i've ever seen?
"Live as if you were to die tomorrow, learn as if you were to live for ever."
Poeta *
Profile Joined March 2004
Peru278 Posts
August 27 2009 11:09 GMT
#12
On August 27 2009 18:57 spinesheath wrote:
A- ?? You can get to A- with 2k overmins @10 minutes? Later he even hit 3k Oo


Kenzy can, what is the problem???

The game is fun!, that is important
Pel boulevard dels somnis trencats ...
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
August 27 2009 12:58 GMT
#13
The "problem" is that I assumed that you can't get A- without very good macro (and I think we can agree that 2k @ 10 minutes is not good).
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13433 Posts
August 27 2009 14:57 GMT
#14
Didn't really rate this game too much, the zerg player was really frustrating.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
August 27 2009 16:26 GMT
#15
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ramen247
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States1256 Posts
August 27 2009 16:59 GMT
#16
this was a pretty bad game. im pretty sure the players were just efing around.
i hate this ugly firebat. i want a marine.
dl2agon
Profile Joined June 2009
United States473 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-28 01:00:45
August 28 2009 00:58 GMT
#17
Terran killed one of his own tanks at 16:08

His tanks also kill his own depot in his main at 17:27
KrAzYfoOL
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Australia3037 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-28 05:08:52
August 28 2009 05:07 GMT
#18
On August 27 2009 19:57 Ninja4ever. wrote:
You know, kenzy himseld told me that he played bad on this game.
You won't see him having so much minerals often for exemple, even though macro could be considered his weak point.
But yeah, his flanks are the best i've ever seen?

I actually saw him have even more minerals even earlier in some other zvt rep. I think it was from some iccup B/A tourney.
It's better to burn out than to fade away
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
August 28 2009 06:26 GMT
#19
On August 28 2009 09:58 dl2agon wrote:
Terran killed one of his own tanks at 16:08

His tanks also kill his own depot in his main at 17:27


Ya I remember that. Quite funny especially because he wasn't under attack
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-28 11:49:21
August 28 2009 11:46 GMT
#20
On August 28 2009 14:07 KrAzYfoOL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2009 19:57 Ninja4ever. wrote:
You know, kenzy himseld told me that he played bad on this game.
You won't see him having so much minerals often for exemple, even though macro could be considered his weak point.
But yeah, his flanks are the best i've ever seen?

I actually saw him have even more minerals even earlier in some other zvt rep. I think it was from some iccup B/A tourney.

But he is cooooooool !

Also all the people saying he is bad are ignorant because he has improved and is still improving a LOT and fast.
I mean i used to hang out with him and some Fra-B guys on Europe in early 2008 before leaving to East and he was like ... B- ?
i never thought he would be able to compete with guys like Tarson.
Of course he can still get better but his A-/B+ is 100% legit even if he has some weaknesses.


And honestly he is probably the most mannered and nice guy among the few competitive French players remaining nowadays + his hydralurk control was sexy.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
August 28 2009 15:40 GMT
#21
this game illustrates how much of a difference upgrades make
nitram
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada5412 Posts
August 28 2009 16:42 GMT
#22
On August 28 2009 09:58 dl2agon wrote:
Terran killed one of his own tanks at 16:08

His tanks also kill his own depot in his main at 17:27

Ya, i remember hearing a tank pop with no zerg around.
These sites might be of more use than a StarCraft site, where the majority of posters look on WCIII as the dense misformed fetus produced during Blizzards latest miscarrige.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51677 Posts
August 28 2009 22:50 GMT
#23
Kenzy did REALLY well against ret in a tournament I forgot which it was.

He took a game off him, which is god damn impressive if you ask me.
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Ahzz
Profile Joined May 2007
Finland780 Posts
August 28 2009 22:57 GMT
#24
On August 27 2009 21:58 spinesheath wrote:
The "problem" is that I assumed that you can't get A- without very good macro (and I think we can agree that 2k @ 10 minutes is not good).

what matters is how action packed the game is. I've seen progamers get 2k+ minerals while their play is still considered good.

If kenzy's hatcheries kept producing all the time and he kept doing a lot of stuff, its MUCH different from noobs 2k+ surplus where they do nothing and have idle larvas all the time.
Mineral count cant be looked as macro.
Especially not on medusa, where its REALLY hard to keep the extra minerals at bay because of the super fast mineral only expo you get for free unless you've been massgaming medusa.

You talk as if his macro is bad, while its indeed not. You can't talk about 2k+ mineral surplus on this game even relatively close to the level of mineral surplus of worse players, because its a completely different thing.

Of course kenzy made quite a few big mistakes, but I'm wondering why people aren't pointing out all the mistakes in EG. player replays on this site, even though kenzy is obviously better than any of them.

This replay was entertaining albeit its mistakes by both sides.

Gg
Night[Mare
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Mexico4793 Posts
August 28 2009 23:55 GMT
#25
i think zerg lost because the lack of upgrades. He was 0/1 when terran was 3/3 :s
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iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
August 31 2009 21:19 GMT
#26
lol @ random jab vs EG.

No. He isn't better than all of us thx ^_^
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
August 31 2009 23:03 GMT
#27
On September 01 2009 06:19 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
lol @ random jab vs EG.

No. He isn't better than all of us thx ^_^

If he doesn't go inactive and if Sc2 is still delayed a bit it might happen ^^

B- ---> A-/B+ in one year is quite good especially when you still have room to improve.
But you right the random jab wasn't needed.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
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